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hello brad,

you raise an excellent point. i've often been in qualms about this one myself

but constantly only found conflicting info on it.

sure would be nice if we could sort this out finally.

and likewise for the rest of the organs. the kidneys, the brain, the lungs,

etc....

thanks for bringing it up,

angel

From: " belscb " <belscb@...>

The most recent issue of Wise Traditions includes an article

entitled, " The Liver Files. " In this article, the author (Lynn

Razaitis) makes the following statement:

<< " One of the roles of the liver is to neutralize toxins (such as

drugs, chemical agents and poisons); but the liver does not store

toxins. Poisonous compounds that the body cannot neutralize and

eliminate are likely to lodge in the fatty tissues and the nervous

system. The liver is not a storage organ for toxins... " >>

Is this claim true? I've always read that the liver filters toxins,

and therefore a good amount of toxins always remains in the liver. In

one sense, I've imagined the liver as a water filter, picking up all

the bad stuff, and occasionally needing a cleansing. After all.... if

the liver doesn't store toxins, then why do people try to " detoxify "

their livers?

In the same article a few paragraphs down, the author makes a few

more statements:

<< " If supermarket liver is your only option, the best choice is

calves liver, as in the U.S. beef cattle do spend their first few

months on pasture. Beef liver is more problematic as beef cattle are

finished on feedlots. Livers from conventionally raised chicken and

hogs are not recommended. " >>

If the liver does not store toxins, then why is beef

liver " problematic " ? What could possibly be wrong with feedlot-beef

liver (assuming the author is correct, and it doesn't contain a

significant amount of toxins)? I think I remember reading that *half*

of the livers in commercially fed cows are diseased and unfit to eat,

and are therefore thrown away. I always assumed this was due to

toxins stored in the liver. Have I been mistaken?

Another thing: why is conventional pork/chicken liver " not

recommended " ? Obviously livers from factory-raised animals would be

much lower in nutrients, but is that enough to make

them " problematic " and " not recommended " ? What's the big deal?

Slightly confused,

Brad Belschner

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Hello all. I recently had the opportunity to speak with Sally Fallon

about raw milk and liver (not organic) for my husband who suffers

from Hep. C. She said that store bought liver was better than no

liver and that he should eat it once a week. I am under the

impression that the liver filters out the bad stuff and releases it

as bile. I know that many people have been helped by raw liver and

liver extract. While we are trying to incorporate it into diet, it

sure is hard to purchase knowing all I know about beef now. I trust

SF and am making us all eat it as often as possible I just soak it as

suggested in the book. In good health, Roni

> hello brad,

>

> you raise an excellent point. i've often been in qualms about this

one myself but constantly only found conflicting info on it.

>

> sure would be nice if we could sort this out finally.

>

> and likewise for the rest of the organs. the kidneys, the brain,

the lungs, etc....

>

> thanks for bringing it up,

> angel

>

> From: " belscb " <belscb@y...>

>

> The most recent issue of Wise Traditions includes an article

> entitled, " The Liver Files. " In this article, the author (Lynn

> Razaitis) makes the following statement:

>

> << " One of the roles of the liver is to neutralize toxins (such as

> drugs, chemical agents and poisons); but the liver does not store

> toxins. Poisonous compounds that the body cannot neutralize and

> eliminate are likely to lodge in the fatty tissues and the nervous

> system. The liver is not a storage organ for toxins... " >>

>

> Is this claim true? I've always read that the liver filters toxins,

> and therefore a good amount of toxins always remains in the liver.

In

> one sense, I've imagined the liver as a water filter, picking up

all

> the bad stuff, and occasionally needing a cleansing. After all....

if

> the liver doesn't store toxins, then why do people try

to " detoxify "

> their livers?

>

> In the same article a few paragraphs down, the author makes a few

> more statements:

>

> << " If supermarket liver is your only option, the best choice is

> calves liver, as in the U.S. beef cattle do spend their first few

> months on pasture. Beef liver is more problematic as beef cattle

are

> finished on feedlots. Livers from conventionally raised chicken and

> hogs are not recommended. " >>

>

> If the liver does not store toxins, then why is beef

> liver " problematic " ? What could possibly be wrong with feedlot-beef

> liver (assuming the author is correct, and it doesn't contain a

> significant amount of toxins)? I think I remember reading that

*half*

> of the livers in commercially fed cows are diseased and unfit to

eat,

> and are therefore thrown away. I always assumed this was due to

> toxins stored in the liver. Have I been mistaken?

>

> Another thing: why is conventional pork/chicken liver " not

> recommended " ? Obviously livers from factory-raised animals would be

> much lower in nutrients, but is that enough to make

> them " problematic " and " not recommended " ? What's the big deal?

>

> Slightly confused,

>

> Brad Belschner

>

>

>

>

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belscb wrote:

>

>

> Another thing: why is conventional pork/chicken liver " not

> recommended " ? Obviously livers from factory-raised animals would be

> much lower in nutrients, but is that enough to make

> them " problematic " and " not recommended " ?

I wondered the same thing, as the NT cookbook doesn't recommend pork

meat either (neither conventional nor NT raised), and didn't give much

of a reason. What's the beef with pork? : -)

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What's the beef with pork? : -)

>

>

, you have to read what jordan rubin has to say in the Makers

Diet...very interesting but i don't remember all what he had to say.

maybe someone else does.

laura in nj

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& ,

I am reading the Maker's Diet now. It's very interesting.

The Maker's Diet explained that pork is unclean (as directed by God), that

pigs are scavengers as are shellfish and other unclean animals. The Jewish

people do not eat these foods.

> What's the beef with pork? : -)

>>

>>

>

> , you have to read what jordan rubin has to say in the Makers

> Diet...very interesting but i don't remember all what he had to say.

>

> maybe someone else does.

>

> laura in nj

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> & ,

>

> I am reading the Maker's Diet now. It's very interesting.

>

> The Maker's Diet explained that pork is unclean (as directed by

God), that

> pigs are scavengers as are shellfish and other unclean animals.

The Jewish

> people do not eat these foods.

>

>

>

, what struck me about what he said, was that cultures who eat

only 'clean' animals (eg the Jews) are healthier than cultures who

eat everything and anything, such as the asians.

he said that a lot of diseases come out of asia: the flus, including

avian flu, plus SARS and others. he believes this is a result of

eating animals indiscriminately; and that these diseases come from

eating 'unclean' animals.

whether or not it is true i think it's very interesting.

laura in nj

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I thought these diseases had more to do with poor

sanitation methods or no methods!!

jafa

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>

> >

> , what struck me about what he said, was that

> cultures who eat

> only 'clean' animals (eg the Jews) are healthier

> than cultures who

> eat everything and anything, such as the asians.

>

> he said that a lot of diseases come out of asia:

> the flus, including

> avian flu, plus SARS and others. he believes this

> is a result of

> eating animals indiscriminately; and that these

> diseases come from

> eating 'unclean' animals.

>

> whether or not it is true i think it's very

> interesting.

>

> laura in nj

>

>

>

>

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>, what struck me about what he said, was that cultures who eat

>only 'clean' animals (eg the Jews) are healthier than cultures who

>eat everything and anything, such as the asians.

It is also true that pigs carry a lot of diseases that

are transmissible to humans, which is how the flu

has been passing from avian populations to

humans. Pork is the animal most like humans

that we eat: which is a good thing or a bad thing

depending on how you look at it! Pork fat is maybe

the easiest to assimilate: a lot of folks swear by it.

The other problem with pork is that they way

they were traditionally kept (wandering freely) they

tended to eat a lot of really nasty stuff, like the

sewage flowing in the streets, dead cats, rats. So

whether you *ate* the pigs or not, just having

them around would help viruses and parasites spread.

Wandering pigs would sometimes kill children too.

Ditto for shellfish. There are lots of good nutrients

in them, but they tend to store viruses and bacteria

(such as the " red " in red tide). In places where the

sewage goes into the water (much of the world,

historically), shellfish are a big vector for parasites

and viruses, such as hepatitis and cholera.

Anyway, I eat both, tho I do cook them ... !

Giving up bacon and pork ribs would be hard.

Idealogically I like herbavores better for

food though.

Heidi Jean

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> I thought these diseases had more to do with poor

> sanitation methods or no methods!!

>

> jafa

Hi Jafa, perhaps you are right, but it is a fact that a lot of these

diseases come from animals (avian flu, SARS) and i believe it is

commonly accepted that theses diseases somehow jump from animals to

people. i don't think sanitation or the lack thereof is the cause,

just like you can catch diseases from humans where sanitation is not

the issue.

laura in nj

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