Re: enemas - Robin

[Guest guest]

> Hi Robin,

> I recall reading a recent post of yours describing how you do

> enemas in the shower. I have no idea of the thread title though

> and couldn't

> locate the post on onibasu. Did you say that you recline in the

> shower on your back with your legs up with the bag hanging from

> the shower head?

> Any other tips on doing enemas? I just ordered a silicon kit with

> a colon tube and want to do a coffee enema as soon as I get it

> next week.

> Suze

:-) I was rather hoping to give our readers a break from personal

accounts of my body but, well, this is what we're here for, right?

So okay. First, I hope you have a shower floor you can lie down in

with your knees up. If not, a bathtub is okay if you can elevate the

bag enough and if it's not too terribly hard to get up out of. You

might want to practice this first.. First I put a towel on the floor

where the upper half of my body will lie. The towel just clears the

drain. I wear a top and slippers so I won't get a chill from the

cold floor.

Also, I hope you have a 4 gallon enema bag? The ones from the

drugstore are usually only 1 gallon and leak eventually as the

nozzle screws into the hose and *always* come lose and you get water

everywhere... But I started with a 1 gallon bag and they work fine.

Anyway, you fill the bag up with pretty warm unchlorinated water and

then hang it from the shower handles (or bath faucet if high

enough). Put some coconut oil or other grease on the tip and then

open the valve a little and let a little water run through until

it's warm and fresh and at the same time insert the end into your

bum. You don't want to insert any air if possible.

Now relax..........

This is *so* key to the process. I even bring in a book or some

papers to read while lying on my back and just let the water flow

inside and try to soak into all the nooks and crannies. Once the

water is flowing smoothly in, you'll probably feel a little weird at

first. (It might even be a little unpleasant but it's just because

you're not used to it.) At times, if you're like me and have a

bloating problem, you might feel some gassy pain.. If so, it

sometimes helps to move the nozzle to one side to create an escape

route for the air to come out.

Again the important goal here is to try to take in as much water as

you can and let it sit and hydrate and gently get into the pockets

that way. Some people like to do it on their right side but I've

found it works best for me just lying on my back with my legs bent

so my bottom is a bit up in the air. In yoga it would be called a

bridge pose. Anyway, experiment. (And remember that the drain in the

bath and the shower go into the septic system the same as your

toilet so if there's an accident it's easy enough to clean up later.

It's rare that there's a problem like that but it's good for your

confidence -- another thing you don't have to worry about..)

When you've taken in as much water as you can (I can take almost 3

quarts at a time if I'm really relaxed) you carefully gracefully :-)

get up. It helps that I have a rail in my shower because getting up

can be a little difficult. (I think it helps if you laugh out loud

here.) It relaxes your palate and is good for your abdominal

muscles. (In fact, as I said in the other post, the whole process is

good for all sorts of muscles -- the Kegels and whatever the butt

muscles are around the rectum. It's good exercise for body awareness

and sex too I think.)

Okay. Then I walk to the toilet and let it flow out. Never force it.

You can massage your abdomen really well -- right to left and top to

bottom. There may be times when absolutely nothing comes out but you

know there's still more in there so just wait patiently. (That's why

a book is good.)

Ideally, toward the end of a lot of the stuff coming out, you'll get

a major gas release which is one of the best feelings.. It's from

way up high.. It's just gotta be good for the body and my whole

tummy just goes ahhh... you might not have the same kind of

bloating. I'm sure it's different for everyone..

Let's see, then I go back and do it once again. If you have a 1

gallon you may need to do it a few times. That's why I don't like

the smaller bags -- you have to do it more often and so there's a

greater chance of air getting up inside and making matters a bit

more difficult. Oh, and if you choose to do a coffee enema I would

do that last and try to let it soak in a bit longer. They say 10

minutes even. Don't fill up so much maybe..

At the end, if I have time, I draw a nice warm bath and continue to

relax... After a little bit I like to do a probiotics implant -- I

just add some VSL3 (unflavored!) to a little warm water (or you can

throw in the powder from a bunch of acidophilus capsules) and suck

it up into a bulb syringe. I make sure I get all the air out,

lubricate the tip and then insert and squeeze. You should try to

have the probiotics remain inside as long as possible. It's good

time to take a nap or do it before bedtime...

I think I covered it....

Oh, and here's the enema bag site. It's the RUO56-- although they

call it a douche bag but don't even *think* about that. Ack!!

http://www.surgicalshop.com/hospital_medical_supplies/enema_products.

html

They have the bulb syringes too. All the stuff is hospital grade and

you'll never need buy another...

~Robin Ann

[Guest guest]

Suze,

Your post was directed to Robin, but I just wanted to be sure you understood

two things:

First, the most important aspect of the coffee enemas (as opposed to

non-coffee) is the release of glutathione, and that only happens when you

hold the enema, lying on your right side, for 12-15 minutes, affecting the

blood flow through the liver every three minutes. I don't recall why lying

on the right side was important, but it may have something to do with

keeping the solution (which is only 1 quart) close to the liver.

Second, the people in the article were actually doing colonics rather than

enemas, which involves more water, some coming out at hte same time more

goes in., and uses different equipment. There are people who believe

colonics work more deeply, but there are issues surrounding long-term use

which are worrisome. (These don't apply to enemas.)

As I said to Ron, I wish I were able to type and post all the material on

coffee enemas that is contained The Gerson Therapy, but it is really

extensive, and all over the book, so it's more than I'm up to.

Hope this helps.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

> Your post was directed to Robin, but I just wanted to be sure you understood

> two things...

> [snip]

>

Please, anyone!, weigh in on this subject if you have something to add

or to subtract......

:-D.......

Yeah!

~Robin Ann

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Robin Ann

>

>:-) I was rather hoping to give our readers a break from personal

>accounts of my body but, well, this is what we're here for, right?

yup ;-) Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. I was too weak to

respond the day I first read your response and haven't found the time since

then to do any sort of posting.

>

>So okay. First, I hope you have a shower floor you can lie down in

>with your knees up. If not, a bathtub is okay if you can elevate the

>bag enough and if it's not too terribly hard to get up out of. You

>might want to practice this first.. First I put a towel on the floor

>where the upper half of my body will lie. The towel just clears the

>drain. I wear a top and slippers so I won't get a chill from the

>cold floor.

K, sounds doable.

>

>Also, I hope you have a 4 gallon enema bag?

Yes.

The ones from the

>drugstore are usually only 1 gallon and leak eventually as the

>nozzle screws into the hose and *always* come lose and you get water

>everywhere... But I started with a 1 gallon bag and they work fine.

Right, this is what I've been using until my real enema kit arrives this

week.

>Anyway, you fill the bag up with pretty warm unchlorinated water and

>then hang it from the shower handles (or bath faucet if high

>enough). Put some coconut oil or other grease on the tip and then

>open the valve a little and let a little water run through until

>it's warm and fresh and at the same time insert the end into your

>bum. You don't want to insert any air if possible.

Huh...this is probably where I went wrong with the drugstore enema because I

seem to have gotten some air up there and it caused some serious stomach

cramping. It was a bit messy doing this on the toilet, but it'll be easier

when I do the real enema in the tub, I guess.

>

>Now relax..........

>

>This is *so* key to the process. I even bring in a book or some

>papers to read while lying on my back and just let the water flow

>inside and try to soak into all the nooks and crannies. Once the

>water is flowing smoothly in, you'll probably feel a little weird at

>first. (It might even be a little unpleasant but it's just because

>you're not used to it.) At times, if you're like me and have a

>bloating problem, you might feel some gassy pain.. If so, it

>sometimes helps to move the nozzle to one side to create an escape

>route for the air to come out.

Ok. Boy, these are great tips! This would be a good post to put in the files

section of the website.

BTW, when doing the drugstore enema I could barely get in a quart before I

had to eliminate. Maybe in part because I was doing it on the john and the

position encourages elimination.

>Ideally, toward the end of a lot of the stuff coming out, you'll get

>a major gas release which is one of the best feelings.. It's from

>way up high.. It's just gotta be good for the body and my whole

>tummy just goes ahhh... you might not have the same kind of

>bloating. I'm sure it's different for everyone..

Sometimes passing a bowel movement is soooooo satisfying to me. I just feel

so great afterwards, that I could understand how passing that deep gas might

feel great too. I actually think my bloat subsided after i started doing the

enemas.

>

>At the end, if I have time, I draw a nice warm bath and continue to

>relax... After a little bit I like to do a probiotics implant -- I

>just add some VSL3 (unflavored!) to a little warm water (or you can

>throw in the powder from a bunch of acidophilus capsules) and suck

>it up into a bulb syringe. I make sure I get all the air out,

>lubricate the tip and then insert and squeeze. You should try to

>have the probiotics remain inside as long as possible. It's good

>time to take a nap or do it before bedtime...

My understanding is that acidophilus is a no-no as an implant because it's

too acidic for the colon. Acidophilus normally resides in the small

intestines, not the large. Hence, I think bifidus species are mostly used

for implants since they thrive in a higher pH region like the large

intestine.

I'm going to buy some bifidus from Natren which doesn't have any additives.

The site where I bought the enema sells it, but the price is too high, so

I'm getting it directly from Natren's site at a much lower cost. I guess

" implant " is a misnomoer, since the bacteria don't really implant, right?

They come out when you eliminate the water? My understanding is that

implantable commercial bacteria species are fairly rare.

Oh, and why do you use a bulb syringe for the implant rather than teh enema

bag?

Thanks again for all the info, you've been very helpful! :-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of West

>

>Your post was directed to Robin, but I just wanted to be sure you

>understood

>two things:

>

>First, the most important aspect of the coffee enemas (as opposed to

>non-coffee) is the release of glutathione, and that only happens when you

>hold the enema, lying on your right side, for 12-15 minutes, affecting the

>blood flow through the liver every three minutes. I don't recall

>why lying

>on the right side was important, but it may have something to do with

>keeping the solution (which is only 1 quart) close to the liver.

Thanks , I was unaware of that. I'm getting a coffee enema DVD with my

enema kit so hopefully that's covered in there.

>

>Second, the people in the article were actually doing colonics rather than

>enemas, which involves more water, some coming out at hte same time more

>goes in., and uses different equipment. There are people who believe

>colonics work more deeply, but there are issues surrounding long-term use

>which are worrisome. (These don't apply to enemas.)

I must've missed the fact they were doing colonics. Thanks for clearing that

up. I'll stick to enemas for now. If I ever want to do a colonic I might go

to a professional for that.

>

>As I said to Ron, I wish I were able to type and post all the material on

>coffee enemas that is contained The Gerson Therapy, but it is really

>extensive, and all over the book, so it's more than I'm up to.

That's fine, . I appreciate what you have posted already on the

subject. And I expect my coffee enema DVD will go into depth on the proper

methodology.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

> [suze] Right, this is what I've been using until my real enema kit

arrives this week.

[robin] Depending on where you bought the bag, you might need some

help putting the thing together. Mine came with no instructions and

I figured it out (finally) but it required cutting the tube and

attaching the valve and so on. Feel free to ask if that's the case

with yours..

> [suze] Huh...this is probably where I went wrong with the

> drugstore enema because I seem to have gotten some air up there

> and it caused some serious stomach cramping. It was a bit messy

> doing this on the toilet, but it'll be easier when I do the real

> enema in the tub, I guess.

[robin] The cramping might have also been because the water was

pushing the gas up inside you a bit. That's why the relaxing and the

lying on the floor is so helpful, the gas will slowly make it's way

out.. Some people recommend warm oil enemas (http://www.health-

information-fitness.com/cleanse/olive_oil_enema.htm) It's an

ayurvedic tradition I've been told...

> [suze] Ok. Boy, these are great tips! This would be a good post to

> put in the files section of the website. BTW, when doing the

> drugstore enema I could barely get in a quart before I

> had to eliminate. Maybe in part because I was doing it on the john

> and the position encourages elimination.

{robin] Again the relaxing is so key to this process. Except for the

time I had the violent bacterial infection, I don't approach enemas

as a way to clean out. I look at them as a way to relieve

uncomfortable gas. I also think that letting water sit in there

quietly for a time helps to hydrate the colon.

> [suze] Sometimes passing a bowel movement is soooooo satisfying

> to me. I just feel so great afterwards, that I could understand

> how passing that deep gas might feel great too. I actually think

> my bloat subsided after i started doing the enemas.

[robin] I realize this is controversial and 3 years ago I'd never

administered an enema before in my life, as in a healthy system,

things like enemas are probably not indicated. But after 50+ years

of digestive tract abuse -- bad foods coupled with celiac issues in

my case -- enemas helped me to get over the hump.. Now I don't need

them.

> >[suze] My understanding is that acidophilus is a no-no as an

> >implant because it's too acidic for the colon. Acidophilus

> > normally resides in the small intestines, not the large. Hence,

> > I think bifidus species are mostly used for implants since they

> > thrive in a higher pH region like the large intestine.

[robin] Good point. As I said I just use VSL3 and didn't do it every

time. I only did probiotics implants because several people

recommended I resupply probiotics that way.. And yes, the probiotics

don't implant but the idea is that they can fill spaces temporarily

to keep pathogenic bacteria at bay.. Again, very controversial here

and I really am not an expert. I make sure to take a lot of

probiotics and eat fermented foods (miso soup in bone broth is great

that way -- so grounding..)

> [suze] Oh, and why do you use a bulb syringe for the implant

rather than the enema bag?

[robin] It keeps the bag clean.. Also, because you're only using

about 3/4 cup of water for the implant you'd lose a lot of the stuff

in the long hose..

> [suze] Thanks again for all the info, you've been very helpful! :-)

[robin] My pleasure, Suze. I must say that I'm a little concerned

that you're feeling weak. A little motherly advice: Please be very

careful to completely rest, stay warm and listen to your body. Don't

go too far with this.

~Robin Ann

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Robin Ann

>

>> [suze] Thanks again for all the info, you've been very helpful! :-)

>

>[robin] My pleasure, Suze. I must say that I'm a little concerned

>that you're feeling weak. A little motherly advice: Please be very

>careful to completely rest, stay warm and listen to your body. Don't

>go too far with this.

My broke my fast Saturday night, after 6 days on water, and the 7th day on

water and clear veggie broth. I'm regaining my strength now, but am not 100%

yet. The first three days that I ate after the fast (mostly bone broth,

sheep kefir and yogurt) everything hurt after eating. Even the clear veggie

broth! But since yesterday that stopped happening. Tonight is the first real

meal I'm having - sauteed grey sole, bone broth, red wine. So, no need to

worry, mom - I'm OK. LOL

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Suze:

I didn't follow this thread nor your fast. So, if it isn't too late

already, I'd like to ask you why you fasted. Was this your first

time? So, did you want to prove to yourself that you were able to do

it? Well, it's not for you to feel exposed here, ok? I think it's

only too natural that anyone wants to show to themselves that they're

capable of achieving something difficult as a long fast. I have never

gone that far. But I hope I will someday - when I'm retired, maybe.

Now, the weightiest questions: do you think it was worth your while?

and do you mean to incorporate the practice into your routine?

Thanks for the answers.

JC

....

> My broke my fast Saturday night, after 6 days on water, and the 7th

day on

> water and clear veggie broth. I'm regaining my strength now, but am

not 100%

> yet. The first three days that I ate after the fast (mostly bone

broth,

> sheep kefir and yogurt) everything hurt after eating. Even the

clear veggie

> broth! But since yesterday that stopped happening. Tonight is the

first real

> meal I'm having - sauteed grey sole, bone broth, red wine. So, no

need to

> worry, mom - I'm OK. LOL

>

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> ----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol

cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -

-

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> <http://www.thincs.org>

> ----------------------------

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of José-

>s Barbosa

>

>

>Hi Suze:

>

>I didn't follow this thread nor your fast. So, if it isn't too late

>already, I'd like to ask you why you fasted. Was this your first

>time? So, did you want to prove to yourself that you were able to do

>it?

No and no. Not my first fast and not to prove anything to myself. I have

been chronically bloated since around February of last year. I did a 7 day

Schulze liver cleanse and 3 day water fast back to back last spring or

summer and my bloat went away. At that time I didn't know I had an IgA

allergy to gluten and cow's milk casein. I went back on these foods, and

only after several months, my bloat returned. Then I did a 4 day water fast,

since it had worked to get rid of my bloat the first time, and again my

bloat went away for awhile. But again I returned to my allergenic foods

(because I was taking the test and wanted to be sure it reflected my

reaction on my " normal " diet).

I found out this June with certainty that I'm allergic to these foods and I

eliminated them. However my bloat persisted. So I thought it a good idea to

fast again, since it's the ONLY thing I've tried thus far that has solved my

bloat issue. Further, I'd like to get pregnant in the not too distant

future, and so I want to accelerate my healing, hence fasting. And lastly,

it corresponded with a fast observed by my Church, although that is a two

week (non-water) fast, but I didn't have the strength to go that far.

During the first two fasts I also did the Dr. Fine pepto bismol diet for

colitis, so that may also have helped get rid of my bloat, but I'm not sure.

It was just one more variable I thought worth mentioning. I did try it not

too long ago *without* fasting and it had no effect on my bloat though.

>

>Now, the weightiest questions: do you think it was worth your while?

>and do you mean to incorporate the practice into your routine?

Yes I think it was worth my while. I think periodic fasting is generally a

good way to give your body a rest and let it heal itself without

interruption from digestion/metabolism (especially if you have health

issues).

I have systemic candidiasis and I believe a lot of yeasties perished during

this fast. If the coating on my tongue all day every day was any indication

(despite constant tongue brushing), there was some progress in that respect.

From what I understand, it can be very dangerous to the fetus if a pregnant

woman has candidiasis, even *possibly* resulting in autism in the child. So

the fast was to jump-start my healing from candidiasis and some other health

issues for myself and my future children.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Suze.

Well, I can only hope that the prospective father of your child will

follow your steps and be as careful of his health as you are of

yours. I don't think he could be more.

Best wishes for the three of you!

JC

....

> Further, I'd like to get pregnant in the not too distant

> future, and so I want to accelerate my healing, hence fasting.

....

> I have systemic candidiasis and I believe a lot of yeasties

perished during

> this fast. If the coating on my tongue all day every day was any

indication

> (despite constant tongue brushing), there was some progress in that

respect.

> From what I understand, it can be very dangerous to the fetus if a

pregnant

> woman has candidiasis, even *possibly* resulting in autism in the

child. So

> the fast was to jump-start my healing from candidiasis and some

other health

> issues for myself and my future children.

>

>

>

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> ----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol

cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -

-

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> <http://www.thincs.org>

> ----------------------------

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of José-

>s Barbosa

>Well, I can only hope that the prospective father of your child will

>follow your steps and be as careful of his health as you are of

>yours. I don't think he could be more.

You'd be surprised....

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------