Re: Echinacea Plus question

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drink it!!!

B.

/might want to reconsider the massive dinner, tho

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On 8/12/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

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> since I'm so tired everything going through my head is probably 327%

> incoherent, the bottle is 45-55% grain alcohol, meaning that it contains

> about 1oz of pure 190 proof alcohol and is therefore up to 104.5 proof

> itself.

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> That seems like a pretty serious amount of alcohol to consume for a sick

> person who hasn't had any kind of alcoholic drink beyond the odd sip of

> wine in months and whose stomach is on the empty side at the moment.

, how about putting a few droppers in hot tea for a couple of minutes?

Wouldn't that help to evaporate some of the alcohol?

I'm a wimp when it comes to strong bitter flavors, so I use a " Children's

Echinacea " tincture, since the herb is extracted in glycerine.

Naomi

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>drink it!!!

> B.

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>/might want to reconsider the massive dinner, tho

What do you think about my idea of keeping half for tomorrow for in case I

wake up feeling refreshed and great, go to the farmer's market and then

suffer something of a relapse? Better to drink it all tonight?

And why should I reconsider? I've been starving on and off since

yesterday, but I could never bring myself to eat much because my throat was

so painful. Now I feel like I can actually get some nutrition into where

it will do some good. I just ate some meatloaf (OK, not really nutritious,

but non-harmful comfort food and no effort to heat up in a pot) and my

intention is to have some raw liver and then a yoghurt-and-egg-yolk

shake. Will that interfere with the effectiveness of the E+, or are you

just thinking my system won't be ready for all that food? I've been

guzzling ginger all day since UPS came by...

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Naomi-

>, how about putting a few droppers in hot tea for a couple of minutes?

>Wouldn't that help to evaporate some of the alcohol?

Hmm, I should know that cold, but I'm not sure I can provide a definitive

answer... That said, I'm almost positive that will have virtually no

effect. The tincture would have to be added to boiling or simmering tea to

really reduce its concentration, and then who knows how much damage would

be done to the herbal components of the tincture.

>I'm a wimp when it comes to strong bitter flavors, so I use a " Children's

>Echinacea " tincture, since the herb is extracted in glycerine.

Huh -- to me, that sounds hideous. I can't stand straight glycerine (and

of course physiologically it's little different from sugar) though it does

wonders for the texture and sweetness of homemade ice cream when not using

actual sugar. The taste of the E+ didn't bother me in the least cut in

water the way I took it, and in fact it didn't even bother my girlfriend

either when she took a swig out of curiosity.

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On 8/12/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> That seems like a pretty serious amount of alcohol to consume for a sick

> person who hasn't had any kind of alcoholic drink beyond the odd sip of

> wine in months and whose stomach is on the empty side at the moment.

Schulze tells people who are worried about alcohol to pour a little

boiling water into the tincture. Personally I would drink it as is.

> Finally, distilled water is actually listed before the grain alcohol on the

> panel, which sort of makes me question just how true Schulze's claims to be

> providing far more potent tinctures than anyone else is, but that's food

> for future research and discussion.

I will have to call down there and see what is going on. Did the E+

numb your mouth?

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>Schulze tells people who are worried about alcohol to pour a little

>boiling water into the tincture. Personally I would drink it as is.

Yeah, it seems to me that adding boiling water would likely damage some of

the components of the tincture, so I'm certainly not going to do that. On

his site he says the alcohol content shouldn't be a problem, but that's

because he's talking about people consuming tinctures in measures of drops,

not by the bottle, which is why I wondered.

>I will have to call down there and see what is going on. Did the E+

>numb your mouth?

Maybe a little. I didn't notice anything at the time, but now, it seems

like there may be a faint echo of numbness in my tongue. But I didn't

drink it straight or all at once -- I cut it dramatically with water and

had six droppers at a time.

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>I will have to call down there and see what is going on. Did the E+

>numb your mouth?

OK, I just had a much larger dose, maybe 1/5 of the bottle, maybe 1/6, cut

with correspondingly less water, and it definitely numbed my tongue a bit

for a little while. The numbness and the strange carbonation sensation

slipped away in tandem.

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On 8/12/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

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> >I will have to call down there and see what is going on. Did the E+

> >numb your mouth?

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> OK, I just had a much larger dose, maybe 1/5 of the bottle, maybe 1/6, cut

> with correspondingly less water, and it definitely numbed my tongue a bit

> for a little while. The numbness and the strange carbonation sensation

> slipped away in tandem.

Then you got some good quality echinacea tincture which is why I asked

after you noted the ingredients on the bottle.

Also to answer another question, when you are massively sick, you

drink the whole bottle. Otherwise, taking it over time is okay.

But in your case, you needed the whole thing, and then follow up with

the two dropperfuls on the hour every hour until the second bottle is

gone.

By the way, it is best to ignore the instructions on the bottle. They

are put there for legal reasons. They rarely have anything to do with

a particular persons specific needs.

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>But in your case, you needed the whole thing, and then follow up with

>the two dropperfuls on the hour every hour until the second bottle is

>gone.

Yeah, like I think I mentioned, I wish I'd gone for two bottles

overnighted. Though I'm mostly better now, I STILL have appreciable

symptoms from the mold exposure, including a major unproductive cough

that's really interfering with my sleep. I tried some Herb Pharm lobelia

tincture yesterday (available at Fairway despite Schulze having given up on

it) to no obvious effect, but it's impossible to know what to make of

that. I'm leery of taking more due to the possibility of overdosing. I

guess when my other Schulze order arrives today (provided FedEx actually

delivers it) I'll take a bunch more E+.

>By the way, it is best to ignore the instructions on the bottle. They

>are put there for legal reasons. They rarely have anything to do with

>a particular persons specific needs.

So then how does one figure out how much to use and of what? If, for

example, I have giardiasis, how much of Schulze's

liver/gallbladder/anti-parasite formula should I actually take per day and

at what intervals?

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On 8/16/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

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> >But in your case, you needed the whole thing, and then follow up with

> >the two dropperfuls on the hour every hour until the second bottle is

> >gone.

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> Yeah, like I think I mentioned, I wish I'd gone for two bottles

> overnighted. Though I'm mostly better now, I STILL have appreciable

> symptoms from the mold exposure, including a major unproductive cough

> that's really interfering with my sleep. I tried some Herb Pharm lobelia

> tincture yesterday (available at Fairway despite Schulze having given up on

> it) to no obvious effect, but it's impossible to know what to make of

> that. I'm leery of taking more due to the possibility of overdosing. I

> guess when my other Schulze order arrives today (provided FedEx actually

> delivers it) I'll take a bunch more E+.

The good thing about most whole herb tinctures is that it is difficult

to overdose on them. For example in the case of lobelia you would most

likely throw up before even getting close to overdosing. Not true when

the active ingredient is isolated. It can take you out in a hurry.

Foxglove is similar from which we get digitalis. The wrong dose of

digitalis can be the end of things quickly, but to much foxglove tea

and you will just throw up.

I tried some of Herb Pharms' echinacea plus and it wsn't to bad

actually. I was surprised. Not nearly as potent as Schulze's but not

impotent like most of the stuff on the market.

And that is another reason why you probably don't have to worry about

Herb Pharm's lobelia, it is probably pretty weak. Schulze often runs

into trouble with the FDA cuz he makes industrial strength tintures,

whereas as most herbal manufacturers make very wimpy stuff (or don't

make it at all if it is the least bit controversial) so as not to run

afoul of the FDA, which has a habit of banning herbs that tend to be

effective. Now I wonder why that is? ;-)

> >By the way, it is best to ignore the instructions on the bottle. They

> >are put there for legal reasons. They rarely have anything to do with

> >a particular persons specific needs.

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> So then how does one figure out how much to use and of what? If, for

> example, I have giardiasis, how much of Schulze's

> liver/gallbladder/anti-parasite formula should I actually take per day and

> at what intervals?

He usually recommends two DROPPERFULS per dose but writes the lowered

doses on the side for legal purposes. This is usually pretty good

advice except for the cayenne tincture. If you don't believe anything

else I say DON " T take two dropperfuls of cayenne tincture. You won't

die but for a few moments you will wish you had, LOL!

The directions in his patient handbook are more helpful:

http://curezone.com/schulze/handbook/default.asp

I once juiced a bulb of garlic in a glass a homemade V8 I was making

during a fast. Not a clove mind you but a whole bulb figuring the more

the merrier. After I drank it down I was on the floor writhing in pain

for what seemed like an eternity I was in the kitchen and my roommate

was in the other room so he didn't know what was going on. I thought I

was going to die (or at least wanted to). I somehow managed to to

stumble to my bedroom. The whole episode lasted for only about 30

seconds. A few minutes later I felt great.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh but never again.