Re: Moving van lines and chemicals they use

[Guest guest]

Hi,

We just had a major van line move our things across county. The van

line had our furnishings for 10 days in the van. We have 2 year old

unsoiled mattresses that were in mattress boxes for moving. Now our

mattresses smell like really stinky chemicals. When I touch them, my

hand smells like fumigation or some other chemical. Our clothes in the

wardrobe boxes smell really bad too.

The van line is sending out a rep to check out the situation. We

are on borrowed beds right now.

Does anyone know if van lines fumigate your belongings without

telling you? Or put noxious chemicals in the van with your household

furnishings?

Thanks for your reply,

Jocelyn

[Guest guest]

Hi,

We just had a major van line move our things across county. The van

line had our furnishings for 10 days in the van. We have 2 year old

unsoiled mattresses that were in mattress boxes for moving. Now our

mattresses smell like really stinky chemicals. When I touch them, my

hand smells like fumigation or some other chemical. Our clothes in the

wardrobe boxes smell really bad too.

The van line is sending out a rep to check out the situation. We

are on borrowed beds right now.

Does anyone know if van lines fumigate your belongings without

telling you? Or put noxious chemicals in the van with your household

furnishings?

Thanks for your reply,

Jocelyn

[Guest guest]

Often a moving company will combine your

goods with those of others to fill the truck. You may have gotten a smelly

neighbor.

Shell Bleiweiss

Law Offices of Shell J. Bleiweiss

Environmental and OSHA Law

Offices in Chicago

and Barrington, Illinois

sbleiweiss@...

http://www.shell-bleiweiss.com

From:

iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of Jocelyn Brown

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007

11:26 PM

To: iequality

Subject: re: Moving

van lines and chemicals they use

Hi,

We just had a major van line move our things across county. The van

line had our furnishings for 10 days in the van. We have 2 year old

unsoiled mattresses that were in mattress boxes for moving. Now our

mattresses smell like really stinky chemicals. When I touch them, my

hand smells like fumigation or some other chemical. Our clothes in the

wardrobe boxes smell really bad too.

The van line is sending out a rep to check out the situation. We

are on borrowed beds right now.

Does anyone know if van lines fumigate your belongings without

telling you? Or put noxious chemicals in the van with your household

furnishings?

Thanks for your reply,

Jocelyn

[Guest guest]

Often a moving company will combine your

goods with those of others to fill the truck. You may have gotten a smelly

neighbor.

Shell Bleiweiss

Law Offices of Shell J. Bleiweiss

Environmental and OSHA Law

Offices in Chicago

and Barrington, Illinois

sbleiweiss@...

http://www.shell-bleiweiss.com

From:

iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of Jocelyn Brown

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007

11:26 PM

To: iequality

Subject: re: Moving

van lines and chemicals they use

Hi,

We just had a major van line move our things across county. The van

line had our furnishings for 10 days in the van. We have 2 year old

unsoiled mattresses that were in mattress boxes for moving. Now our

mattresses smell like really stinky chemicals. When I touch them, my

hand smells like fumigation or some other chemical. Our clothes in the

wardrobe boxes smell really bad too.

The van line is sending out a rep to check out the situation. We

are on borrowed beds right now.

Does anyone know if van lines fumigate your belongings without

telling you? Or put noxious chemicals in the van with your household

furnishings?

Thanks for your reply,

Jocelyn

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the posts on this topic.

A moving vanline employee came out to our condo to inspect our

mattresses. He said that it is against the law to fumigate except

items from outside the USA. He spend the whole time talking out of

both sides of his mouth.

Is there some kind of scientific instrument that can measure and/or

identifiy toxic offgassing?

What kind of professional would I have to hire to identify and

measure what is coming off the mattresses?

Next time, we'll just get new mattresses when we move. We may have

to do that now.

Thanks again,

Jocelyn

>

> I am guessing that some states may fumigate cargo leaving them or coming

> into them from some other areas for agricultural or health reasons. For

> example, there are non-native insects and other critters that have

become

> established in some areas of the US that have the potential to

destroy crops

> and trees, or spread diseases, so things leaving those areas may end up

> getting fumigated. I would ask the carrier. But if this did happen, its

> probably completely out of their (the carrier's) control.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the posts on this topic.

A moving vanline employee came out to our condo to inspect our

mattresses. He said that it is against the law to fumigate except

items from outside the USA. He spend the whole time talking out of

both sides of his mouth.

Is there some kind of scientific instrument that can measure and/or

identifiy toxic offgassing?

What kind of professional would I have to hire to identify and

measure what is coming off the mattresses?

Next time, we'll just get new mattresses when we move. We may have

to do that now.

Thanks again,

Jocelyn

>

> I am guessing that some states may fumigate cargo leaving them or coming

> into them from some other areas for agricultural or health reasons. For

> example, there are non-native insects and other critters that have

become

> established in some areas of the US that have the potential to

destroy crops

> and trees, or spread diseases, so things leaving those areas may end up

> getting fumigated. I would ask the carrier. But if this did happen, its

> probably completely out of their (the carrier's) control.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the posts on this topic.

A moving vanline employee came out to our condo to inspect our

mattresses. He said that it is against the law to fumigate except

items from outside the USA. He spend the whole time talking out of

both sides of his mouth.

Is there some kind of scientific instrument that can measure and/or

identifiy toxic offgassing?

What kind of professional would I have to hire to identify and

measure what is coming off the mattresses?

Next time, we'll just get new mattresses when we move. We may have

to do that now.

Thanks again,

Jocelyn

>

> I am guessing that some states may fumigate cargo leaving them or coming

> into them from some other areas for agricultural or health reasons. For

> example, there are non-native insects and other critters that have

become

> established in some areas of the US that have the potential to

destroy crops

> and trees, or spread diseases, so things leaving those areas may end up

> getting fumigated. I would ask the carrier. But if this did happen, its

> probably completely out of their (the carrier's) control.

>

[Guest guest]

I came across an interesting article about mattress mold and off gassing to share.

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=198

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[Guest guest]

:

Very good article. Thanks!!

I came across an interesting article about mattress mold and off gassing to share.

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=198

[Guest guest]

Yes, a good article. I found this website where people have posted

problems with out-gassing of mattresses. Very interesting.

http://www.chem-tox.com/guest/guestbook.html

I'm on the search for an organic mattress now.

Thanks,

Jocelyn

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[Guest guest]

FYI-I bought a new mattress a few months ago and it was quite difficult getting the MSDS from the manufacturer. It turns out to contain a small amount of formaldehyde (according to the MSDS). I was quite surprised. No health effects or odor that I can detect.

Alice Freund, Industrial Hygienist

Mount Sinai Irving J. Selikoff Center for Occupational and Environmental Medicine

-----Original Message-----From: iequality [mailto:iequality ]On Behalf Of Jocelyn BrownSent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:47 AMTo: iequality Subject: Re: Moving van lines and chemicals they use

Yes, a good article. I found this website where people have postedproblems with out-gassing of mattresses. Very interesting. http://www.chem-tox.com/guest/guestbook.htmlI'm on the search for an organic mattress now.Thanks,Jocelyn> > > > > > > > > > > I came across an interesting article about mattress mold and offgassing to> > share.> > > > http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=198> > > > > > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

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Sorry but the article below is sheer conjecture.

Sopulariopsis brevicaulis according to some sources is present in mattress dust but these would be non-plastic encased mattresses. Nothing much could accumulate or grow in a plastic-covered mattress.

Most baby mattresses are plastic and no parent would leave anything like secretions or scopulariopsis brevicaulis on it.

The secretions would not even stay wet long enough for growth.

Don't know if this came up. Moving blankets can be treated with pesticides to prevent the spread of roaches.

C. May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

3 Tolkien Lane

Tyngsborough, MA 01879

www.mayindoorair.com

www.myhouseiskillingme.com

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Cot death - what every parent needs to know

The Report into cot death elegantly explains all the facts of the cot death epidemic. This is something all parents with babies need to know about.

The idea is straightforward. All mattresses are impregnated with fire retardants, antimony and phosphorus, often with arsenic as a contaminant. When a baby lies on a mattress, inevitably secretions fall into the mattress through posseting, saliva, nasal secretions or vomit. This allows the growth of the fungus, scopulariopsis brevicaulis. This fungus feeds on human secretions and is normally present in all bedding materials which are rich in secretions . However this fungus attacks fire retardants in such a way as to release poisonous gases; namely phosphine, stibine and arsine. These gases are heavier than air so they concentrate in the mattress. Babies may be much more susceptible to these poisons than adults. The early symptoms of poisoning are headache and irritability. They then cause death, possibly through respiratory depression or heart failure because they act as cholinesterase inhibitors. These are the same chemicals as those used in germ warfare and in pesticides (their effects are probably similar to nerve gases used in chemical warfare).

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Re: Moving van lines and chemicals they use

Posted by: "gval102@..." gval102@... gval102

Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:44 am ((PDT))

I came across an interesting article about mattress mold and off gassing to share.

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=198

(http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=198)

[Guest guest]

Jeff, Could it be that you are both correct and incorrect? Correct in stating that a plastic covered mattress will not react as suggested? But wrong in not recognizing that in England and continental Europe mattresses for babies are usually not plastic covered? I believe the report came from England and from reputable studies. Truthfully I was not aware American mattresses were plastic covered. Just asking..... Ken Gibala ========================== Re: Moving van lines and chemicals they use, Sorry but the article below is sheer conjecture. Sopulariopsis brevicaulis according to some sources is present in mattress dust but these would be non-plastic encased mattresses. Nothing much could accumulate or grow in a plastic-covered mattress. Most baby mattresses are plastic and no parent would leave anything like secretions or scopulariopsis brevicaulis on it. The secretions would not even stay wet long enough for growth. Don't know if this came up. Moving blankets can be treated with pesticides to prevent the spread of roaches. C. May May Indoor Air Investigations LLC 3 Tolkien Lane Tyngsborough, MA 01879 www.mayindoorair.com www.myhouseiskillingme.com -------------------------------------------------- Cot death - what every parent needs to know The Report into cot death elegantly explains all the facts of the cot death epidemic. This is something all parents with babies need to know about. The idea is straightforward. All mattresses are impregnated with fire retardants, antimony and phosphorus, often with arsenic as a contaminant. When a baby lies on a mattress, inevitably secretions fall into the mattress through posseting, saliva, nasal secretions or vomit. This allows the growth of the fungus, scopulariopsis brevicaulis. This fungus feeds on human secretions and is normally present in all bedding materials which are rich in secretions . However this fungus attacks fire retardants in such a way as to release poisonous gases; namely phosphine, stibine and arsine. These gases are heavier than air so they concentrate in the mattress. Babies may be much more susceptible to these poisons than adults. The early symptoms of poisoning are headache and irritability. They then cause death, possibly through respiratory depression or heart failure because they act as cholinesterase inhibitors. These are the same chemicals as those used in germ warfare and in pesticides (their effects are probably similar to nerve gases used in chemical warfare). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Moving van lines and chemicals they use Posted by: "gval102aol" gval102aol gval102 Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:44 am ((PDT)) I came across an interesting article about mattress mold and off gassing to share. http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=198 (http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=198)