Re: I know I am going to get heat for this one...

[Guest guest]

I agree with both of you. My daughter followed a normal vaccination

pattern throughout her toddler and preschool years. When she received

her vaccinations, as a diligent parent I watched her carefully for any

kind of side effects and did not notice any. She was diagnosed when

she was 5 1/2. When I told my best friend about my daughter's

diagnosis, her FIRST statement to me was that I should get an attorney

and look into filing against the vaccine makers, because obviously the

shots had caused her autism. It was an immediate, shotgun response on

her part--your child had vaccines, she has autism, it's somebody's

fault! And that was my first exposure to the rabidly anti-vaccine

crowd.

There are plenty of people out there who oppose vaccines who are

reasonable about it, and I respect their opinion. Unfortunately, there

is a certain sub-group that absolutely will not listen to anybody but

themselves, and they make the rest look bad.

[Guest guest]

Oh, , I'm so glad 's okay!!! You two have had more than your

share of challenges recently.

>

> > Give me a friggin break!

>

> I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at the

> hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and

> swallowed 6 push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of the

> pins pierced her esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed to

> the ER and they used an endoscope to get them out. Then, if that

> wasn't enough, she got a Staph infection at the hospital at the

> injury site. There have been some scary moments over the last 48

> house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the woods.

>

> You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a

> prime example. She managed to run away from school a couple of years

> ago, under the noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping

> her safe.

>

> I'm sorry, but this IS a life and death struggle for some of us, not

> just a matter of accepting our children as " different " . It's hard to

> be pragmatic when your child's life literally hangs in the balance

> every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb by a vaccine that

> destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain. We are

> not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and

> steadfast, intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.

>

>

>

> Your beliefs become your thoughts.

> Your thoughts become your words.

> Your words become your actions.

> Your actions become your habits.

> Your habits become your values.

> Your values become your destiny. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We are praying for

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Re: I know I am going to get heat for this one...

Oh, , I'm so glad 's okay!!! You two have had more than your

share of challenges recently.

>

> > Give me a friggin break!

>

> I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at the

> hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and

> swallowed 6 push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of the

> pins pierced her esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed to

> the ER and they used an endoscope to get them out. Then, if that

> wasn't enough, she got a Staph infection at the hospital at the

> injury site. There have been some scary moments over the last 48

> house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the woods.

>

> You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a

> prime example. She managed to run away from school a couple of years

> ago, under the noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping

> her safe.

>

> I'm sorry, but this IS a life and death struggle for some of us, not

> just a matter of accepting our children as " different " . It's hard to

> be pragmatic when your child's life literally hangs in the balance

> every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb by a vaccine that

> destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain. We are

> not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and

> steadfast, intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.

>

>

>

> Your beliefs become your thoughts.

> Your thoughts become your words.

> Your words become your actions.

> Your actions become your habits.

> Your habits become your values.

> Your values become your destiny. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

cathy I to agree. for me it was of the same as i to remember of from

when i was to be to have ate or crushed glass bulbs into my mouth and

be to cause of mouth be of much blood. I to getted of a s \pank for

that and the fatehr had of me to spit of the glass out that was of hard

for one who had no ideas of the time how to really spit, but that is of

the story I to be o told of me as a little girl. for me as a little

girl I to had of much safe issues. as a child it was of not as a

personal difference it was of a real challenge. I to know of many like

of me and from watching them it to them is of not a good life always

because of the safe and heatlh factors that keep happening for many of

us.

now as adult I to beof mo9re a HFA person vbut not always been of this

level/

some are of much HFA and are of this from early on and so it does seem

to be fo a difference not so much a serious challenges for them.

sondra

[Guest guest]

Quoted for truth.

All of it.

>

> Subject: I know I am going to get heat for this one...

> To: Autism_in_Girls

> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:16 PM

> OK, I have 4 kids and 3 of them have ASD. They all have been

> vaccinated and one is neuro-typical. I have 2 friends

> who's boys were

> not vaccinated and have ASD. I do not regret vaccinating my

> children.

> I have lived and worked in East Los Angeles where there are

> many

> migrant workers who do not have the kinds of health care

> over their

> lives as we do. I have seen students contract Whooping

> Cough, TB and

> many other very dangerous diseases. It is tragic. These

> kids I taught

> are ASD and have not been vaccinated. I agree that we need

> to look at

> the way vaccines are given and what is in the vaccine

> cocktail to make

> them as safe as possible. I just think many people are

> crazed and

> blaming something that is a bit ambiguous. I think it maybe

> a trigger

> for ASD and it could make ASD worse. However, I believe

> genetics is

> the cause and that it is in families. My sister and brother

> are both

> Aspergers, then there are my children.

>

> I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for

> ASD. I

> also agree with many people that feel that we need to

> accept the neuro

> differences in people. Yes, we need activists but all these

> Mom's look

> crazed when they are on TV and people just pity them. I

> think we need

> to be strong as parents and not be so emotional up front. I

> was

> talking to some business members in my community who wish

> they had

> focused workers who could be trained and reliable. How

> about we look

> at a pragmatic approach of what are kids CAN do and how

> wonderful they

> are. It makes our kids look like they are damaged and

> cannot do

> anything with their lives. I am not tortured by my children

> and there

> future...I am hopeful and working to help them. I do not

> want to

> insult anyone here, but I need to put my perspective out

> there as well.

[Guest guest]

i have been reading alot, and i ask myself the question, whats the use in suing

anyone over vaccines? is this going to make my daughter better? As far as i know

she will get some kind of pension when she gets older, not sure about her

future when my husband and i won't be here...but ultimately someone will have to

take care of her.......i don't even want to go there. sure we are putting aside

things for her, and will take a closer look at things once she reaches 16, which

is 2 years away yet........sure, people will say, get the money it will take

care of her.......but will it? and i cannot prove those vaccinations did a

thing, and if i had my time over, sure i might have given them differently, but

i still would have given them.

Cheryl S [chez]

To: Autism_in_Girls@...: tewjr@...: Sat, 12 Jul 2008

00:58:52 +0000Subject: Re: I know I am going to get heat for

this one...

I agree with both of you. My daughter followed a normal vaccination pattern

throughout her toddler and preschool years. When she received her vaccinations,

as a diligent parent I watched her carefully for any kind of side effects and

did not notice any. She was diagnosed when she was 5 1/2. When I told my best

friend about my daughter's diagnosis, her FIRST statement to me was that I

should get an attorney and look into filing against the vaccine makers, because

obviously the shots had caused her autism. It was an immediate, shotgun response

on her part--your child had vaccines, she has autism, it's somebody's fault! And

that was my first exposure to the rabidly anti-vaccine crowd.There are plenty of

people out there who oppose vaccines who are reasonable about it, and I respect

their opinion. Unfortunately, there is a certain sub-group that absolutely will

not listen to anybody but themselves, and they make the rest look bad.

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It will ensure there is financial ability to provide a place to live,

supervision if needed, etc. Heck no it's not gonna change things but

being disabled in a homeless shelter vs. being disabled in one's own

home with trained caregivers are far different scenarios.

The fact that you are able to set something aside is better than a lot

of us are able to do. Some of us have to take from our pension plans

to be able to purchase medications, such as the $2,000/mo IVIG for our

kids with screwed up immune problems, a common issue affecting those

with autism. There are a LOT of poor families with vaccine-injured

children. The kids won't get what they need until the parents can get

some funding.

My daughter's doctor told me yesterday about a kid with autism whose

family is so poor they live off squirrel meat, he has ammonia issues

that are insane and they cannot find anyone in their region to help

their son.

Debi

[Guest guest]

> Oh, , I'm so glad 's okay!!! You two have had more than your

> share of challenges recently.

Thanks, Penny....that's for sure!

[Guest guest]

I to be to not believe ALL people of autism are of result of vaccine

injury but I to feel some may truely be. But for me as I to shared

the family of me is of with a strong genetics for being born with

much auitsm to little autism but there are much in my family for 3

generations that have of the spectrum to the mother and fathers side.

the fathers side has much motor tics, and off ways of thems beings

and yet reflect more of an Aspergers like presentation. the father of

me likes to collect rocks and travels all over to dig for them. he

has muchinterest into documentaries and such and is of not a

affectionate physiclaly like person, he like me, loves from inside

but lacks how to show of it from the outside. but we have of many

members who in the last 3 generations on the fathers side commit of

the suicide and so this too is of a strong things in the family and i

to think is of direct result of lack of dx and lack of understanding

the reasons for their differences among others.

Even though the father of me also had of a violent tempter and it

feared me much so I to still have some very good memories that are of

based around the father of of me before he leaved of our family when

i to be almost of age 8. I to have much loved to him even though not

miss ofhim and rare for him or me to seek each other out for to be of

to have of time with each other. yet I to know he exist and that is

of good for me to be of knowing but he turned of 70 this year and is

of aging so I to know in time he will be of gone forever and so this

is of hard for to have of this thinking but at same I to not be of

one who misses of him.

But autism is of a great challenge for the birth mothers side and

there are of much members with classical forms and many with

aspergers form but the fact is there is of more classical forms than

aspergers froms among the members. although i to have much second

cousins who appear much so with aspergers one cousin shared no wonder

we all feel like the adams family among the rest? she was of

refereing to her family siblings and parents.

but we have of many flappers and many non speakers and then some like

of me who had of this as younger ones and slowly over many years

maked progress and developed some skills which can reflect of

aspergers now but is not. one of the cousins of me was of a strong

rocker and even at age of 10 or so she loves her one rocking horse

and she rocked it until she breaks them and the family buys of her a

new one each time, she was like me an observer from the distance,

rare to speak and just was of isolated loner. she grew up to find

alcohol to cover her fears and pains of not understanding of her own

beings even to this day but her mohter and siblings now understand

and suspect of it.

sondra

[Guest guest]

I to be to not believe ALL people of autism are of result of vaccine

injury but I to feel some may truely be. But for me as I to shared

the family of me is of with a strong genetics for being born with

much auitsm to little autism but there are much in my family for 3

generations that have of the spectrum to the mother and fathers side.

the fathers side has much motor tics, and off ways of thems beings

and yet reflect more of an Aspergers like presentation. the father of

me likes to collect rocks and travels all over to dig for them. he

has muchinterest into documentaries and such and is of not a

affectionate physiclaly like person, he like me, loves from inside

but lacks how to show of it from the outside. but we have of many

members who in the last 3 generations on the fathers side commit of

the suicide and so this too is of a strong things in the family and i

to think is of direct result of lack of dx and lack of understanding

the reasons for their differences among others.

Even though the father of me also had of a violent tempter and it

feared me much so I to still have some very good memories that are of

based around the father of of me before he leaved of our family when

i to be almost of age 8. I to have much loved to him even though not

miss ofhim and rare for him or me to seek each other out for to be of

to have of time with each other. yet I to know he exist and that is

of good for me to be of knowing but he turned of 70 this year and is

of aging so I to know in time he will be of gone forever and so this

is of hard for to have of this thinking but at same I to not be of

one who misses of him.

But autism is of a great challenge for the birth mothers side and

there are of much members with classical forms and many with

aspergers form but the fact is there is of more classical forms than

aspergers froms among the members. although i to have much second

cousins who appear much so with aspergers one cousin shared no wonder

we all feel like the adams family among the rest? she was of

refereing to her family siblings and parents.

but we have of many flappers and many non speakers and then some like

of me who had of this as younger ones and slowly over many years

maked progress and developed some skills which can reflect of

aspergers now but is not. one of the cousins of me was of a strong

rocker and even at age of 10 or so she loves her one rocking horse

and she rocked it until she breaks them and the family buys of her a

new one each time, she was like me an observer from the distance,

rare to speak and just was of isolated loner. she grew up to find

alcohol to cover her fears and pains of not understanding of her own

beings even to this day but her mohter and siblings now understand

and suspect of it.

sondra

[Guest guest]

Sondra,

Thank you for such a terrific point of view. All I was saying is we as

parents have to advocate for our kids and that vaccines were not the

ONLY issue.

I never wanted to discount the experiences of others. I wanted to say,

" hey there is my opinion, too " .

As always, your posts are thoughtful and I like your perspective on

many topics.

Sincerely,

Teresia aka bookfairy

>

> I to be to not believe ALL people of autism are of result of vaccine

> injury but I to feel some may truely be. But for me as I to shared

> the family of me is of with a strong genetics for being born with

> much auitsm to little autism but there are much in my family for 3

> generations that have of the spectrum to the mother and fathers side.

>

> the fathers side has much motor tics, and off ways of thems beings

> and yet reflect more of an Aspergers like presentation. the father of

> me likes to collect rocks and travels all over to dig for them. he

> has muchinterest into documentaries and such and is of not a

> affectionate physiclaly like person, he like me, loves from inside

> but lacks how to show of it from the outside. but we have of many

> members who in the last 3 generations on the fathers side commit of

> the suicide and so this too is of a strong things in the family and i

> to think is of direct result of lack of dx and lack of understanding

> the reasons for their differences among others.

>

> Even though the father of me also had of a violent tempter and it

> feared me much so I to still have some very good memories that are of

> based around the father of of me before he leaved of our family when

> i to be almost of age 8. I to have much loved to him even though not

> miss ofhim and rare for him or me to seek each other out for to be of

> to have of time with each other. yet I to know he exist and that is

> of good for me to be of knowing but he turned of 70 this year and is

> of aging so I to know in time he will be of gone forever and so this

> is of hard for to have of this thinking but at same I to not be of

> one who misses of him.

>

> But autism is of a great challenge for the birth mothers side and

> there are of much members with classical forms and many with

> aspergers form but the fact is there is of more classical forms than

> aspergers froms among the members. although i to have much second

> cousins who appear much so with aspergers one cousin shared no wonder

> we all feel like the adams family among the rest? she was of

> refereing to her family siblings and parents.

>

> but we have of many flappers and many non speakers and then some like

> of me who had of this as younger ones and slowly over many years

> maked progress and developed some skills which can reflect of

> aspergers now but is not. one of the cousins of me was of a strong

> rocker and even at age of 10 or so she loves her one rocking horse

> and she rocked it until she breaks them and the family buys of her a

> new one each time, she was like me an observer from the distance,

> rare to speak and just was of isolated loner. she grew up to find

> alcohol to cover her fears and pains of not understanding of her own

> beings even to this day but her mohter and siblings now understand

> and suspect of it.

>

> sondra

>

[Guest guest]

My daughter regressed when she was almost two years old, normal until then.  She

never received any vaccinations.  I didn't vaccinate her because her older

sister who is NT almost died as a baby from them.  So there you go, vaccinations

did not cause my daughters autism.  Although I am scared to vaccinate her, and I

won't.

> From: bookfairy0 <bookfairy0yahoo (DOT) com>

> Subject: I know I am going to get heat for this one...

> To: Autism_in_Girls@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:16 PM

> OK, I have 4 kids and 3 of them have ASD. They all have been

> vaccinated and one is neuro-typical. I have 2 friends

> who's boys were

> not vaccinated and have ASD. I do not regret vaccinating my

> children.

> I have lived and worked in East Los Angeles where there are

> many

> migrant workers who do not have the kinds of health care

> over their

> lives as we do. I have seen students contract Whooping

> Cough, TB and

> many other very dangerous diseases. It is tragic. These

> kids I taught

> are ASD and have not been vaccinated. I agree that we need

> to look at

> the way vaccines are given and what is in the vaccine

> cocktail to make

> them as safe as possible. I just think many people are

> crazed and

> blaming something that is a bit ambiguous. I think it maybe

> a trigger

> for ASD and it could make ASD worse. However, I believe

> genetics is

> the cause and that it is in families. My sister and brother

> are both

> Aspergers, then there are my children.

>

> I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for

> ASD. I

> also agree with many people that feel that we need to

> accept the neuro

> differences in people. Yes, we need activists but all these

> Mom's look

> crazed when they are on TV and people just pity them. I

> think we need

> to be strong as parents and not be so emotional up front. I

> was

> talking to some business members in my community who wish

> they had

> focused workers who could be trained and reliable. How

> about we look

> at a pragmatic approach of what are kids CAN do and how

> wonderful they

> are. It makes our kids look like they are damaged and

> cannot do

> anything with their lives. I am not tortured by my children

> and there

> future...I am hopeful and working to help them. I do not

> want to

> insult anyone here, but I need to put my perspective out

> there as well.

[Guest guest]

My daughter regressed when she was almost two years old, normal until then.  She

never received any vaccinations.  I didn't vaccinate her because her older

sister who is NT almost died as a baby from them.  So there you go, vaccinations

did not cause my daughters autism.  Although I am scared to vaccinate her, and I

won't.

> From: bookfairy0 <bookfairy0yahoo (DOT) com>

> Subject: I know I am going to get heat for this one...

> To: Autism_in_Girls@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:16 PM

> OK, I have 4 kids and 3 of them have ASD. They all have been

> vaccinated and one is neuro-typical. I have 2 friends

> who's boys were

> not vaccinated and have ASD. I do not regret vaccinating my

> children.

> I have lived and worked in East Los Angeles where there are

> many

> migrant workers who do not have the kinds of health care

> over their

> lives as we do. I have seen students contract Whooping

> Cough, TB and

> many other very dangerous diseases. It is tragic. These

> kids I taught

> are ASD and have not been vaccinated. I agree that we need

> to look at

> the way vaccines are given and what is in the vaccine

> cocktail to make

> them as safe as possible. I just think many people are

> crazed and

> blaming something that is a bit ambiguous. I think it maybe

> a trigger

> for ASD and it could make ASD worse. However, I believe

> genetics is

> the cause and that it is in families. My sister and brother

> are both

> Aspergers, then there are my children.

>

> I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for

> ASD. I

> also agree with many people that feel that we need to

> accept the neuro

> differences in people. Yes, we need activists but all these

> Mom's look

> crazed when they are on TV and people just pity them. I

> think we need

> to be strong as parents and not be so emotional up front. I

> was

> talking to some business members in my community who wish

> they had

> focused workers who could be trained and reliable. How

> about we look

> at a pragmatic approach of what are kids CAN do and how

> wonderful they

> are. It makes our kids look like they are damaged and

> cannot do

> anything with their lives. I am not tortured by my children

> and there

> future...I am hopeful and working to help them. I do not

> want to

> insult anyone here, but I need to put my perspective out

> there as well.

[Guest guest]

I'm not going to throw any heat at anyone. I'm of the opinion

that there are multiple causes for autism. I don't think we can pin

any ONE cause for all of the various types of autism and that's

what's making it so hard to treat/cure.

I have two autistic children. My daughter is definitely more of a

regressive type...and if I had to " place blame " I would go with the

MMR shot. However my son was autistic from birth; there's no doubt

in my mind. They also don't seem to have similarities in their

autism. My daughter was more vocal at the age of my son, had more

eye contact and was overall higher-functioning (not aspergers).

However my son likes more physical contact, does more toe walking and

does more hand flapping and sensory issues. So it almost seems like

they have two different " types " of autism, if you will.

So I'm just throwing in my two cents based on my kids. I

definitely agree that it's not JUST vaccination but I don't think

that it's JUST anything else either.

>

> > From: bookfairy0 <bookfairy0yahoo (DOT) com>

> > Subject: I know I am going to get heat for this

one...

> > To: Autism_in_Girls@ yahoogroups. com

> > Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:16 PM

> > OK, I have 4 kids and 3 of them have ASD. They all have been

> > vaccinated and one is neuro-typical. I have 2 friends

> > who's boys were

> > not vaccinated and have ASD. I do not regret vaccinating my

> > children.

> > I have lived and worked in East Los Angeles where there are

> > many

> > migrant workers who do not have the kinds of health care

> > over their

> > lives as we do. I have seen students contract Whooping

> > Cough, TB and

> > many other very dangerous diseases. It is tragic. These

> > kids I taught

> > are ASD and have not been vaccinated. I agree that we need

> > to look at

> > the way vaccines are given and what is in the vaccine

> > cocktail to make

> > them as safe as possible. I just think many people are

> > crazed and

> > blaming something that is a bit ambiguous. I think it maybe

> > a trigger

> > for ASD and it could make ASD worse. However, I believe

> > genetics is

> > the cause and that it is in families. My sister and brother

> > are both

> > Aspergers, then there are my children.

> >

> > I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for

> > ASD. I

> > also agree with many people that feel that we need to

> > accept the neuro

> > differences in people. Yes, we need activists but all these

> > Mom's look

> > crazed when they are on TV and people just pity them. I

> > think we need

> > to be strong as parents and not be so emotional up front. I

> > was

> > talking to some business members in my community who wish

> > they had

> > focused workers who could be trained and reliable. How

> > about we look

> > at a pragmatic approach of what are kids CAN do and how

> > wonderful they

> > are. It makes our kids look like they are damaged and

> > cannot do

> > anything with their lives. I am not tortured by my children

> > and there

> > future...I am hopeful and working to help them. I do not

> > want to

> > insult anyone here, but I need to put my perspective out

> > there as well.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not going to throw any heat at anyone. I'm of the opinion

that there are multiple causes for autism. I don't think we can pin

any ONE cause for all of the various types of autism and that's

what's making it so hard to treat/cure.

I have two autistic children. My daughter is definitely more of a

regressive type...and if I had to " place blame " I would go with the

MMR shot. However my son was autistic from birth; there's no doubt

in my mind. They also don't seem to have similarities in their

autism. My daughter was more vocal at the age of my son, had more

eye contact and was overall higher-functioning (not aspergers).

However my son likes more physical contact, does more toe walking and

does more hand flapping and sensory issues. So it almost seems like

they have two different " types " of autism, if you will.

So I'm just throwing in my two cents based on my kids. I

definitely agree that it's not JUST vaccination but I don't think

that it's JUST anything else either.

>

> > From: bookfairy0 <bookfairy0yahoo (DOT) com>

> > Subject: I know I am going to get heat for this

one...

> > To: Autism_in_Girls@ yahoogroups. com

> > Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:16 PM

> > OK, I have 4 kids and 3 of them have ASD. They all have been

> > vaccinated and one is neuro-typical. I have 2 friends

> > who's boys were

> > not vaccinated and have ASD. I do not regret vaccinating my

> > children.

> > I have lived and worked in East Los Angeles where there are

> > many

> > migrant workers who do not have the kinds of health care

> > over their

> > lives as we do. I have seen students contract Whooping

> > Cough, TB and

> > many other very dangerous diseases. It is tragic. These

> > kids I taught

> > are ASD and have not been vaccinated. I agree that we need

> > to look at

> > the way vaccines are given and what is in the vaccine

> > cocktail to make

> > them as safe as possible. I just think many people are

> > crazed and

> > blaming something that is a bit ambiguous. I think it maybe

> > a trigger

> > for ASD and it could make ASD worse. However, I believe

> > genetics is

> > the cause and that it is in families. My sister and brother

> > are both

> > Aspergers, then there are my children.

> >

> > I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for

> > ASD. I

> > also agree with many people that feel that we need to

> > accept the neuro

> > differences in people. Yes, we need activists but all these

> > Mom's look

> > crazed when they are on TV and people just pity them. I

> > think we need

> > to be strong as parents and not be so emotional up front. I

> > was

> > talking to some business members in my community who wish

> > they had

> > focused workers who could be trained and reliable. How

> > about we look

> > at a pragmatic approach of what are kids CAN do and how

> > wonderful they

> > are. It makes our kids look like they are damaged and

> > cannot do

> > anything with their lives. I am not tortured by my children

> > and there

> > future...I am hopeful and working to help them. I do not

> > want to

> > insult anyone here, but I need to put my perspective out

> > there as well.

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[Guest guest]

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> My daughter regressed when she was almost two years old, normal until

> then. She never received any vaccinations. I didn't vaccinate her because

> her older sister who is NT almost died as a baby from them. So there you

> go, vaccinations did not cause my daughters autism. Although I am scared to

> vaccinate her, and I won't.

, I found it interesting that even though your daughter regressed at

TWO years old, it wasn't from vaccines. Any ideas why she did regress?

I've never heard of " spontaneous " regression; all I " ve heard of typical kids

regressing has been after vaccines. Did she not have any developmental

delays before then? Mine had delays of about 5 months but had a friend

whose daughter also was developing at about the same rate, so I wasn't too

concerned. I just thought she was 3 more months delayed than my typical

daughter who seemed about 2 mos delayed.

Just curious,

Marie A.

[Guest guest]

>

> My daughter regressed when she was almost two years old, normal until

> then. She never received any vaccinations. I didn't vaccinate her because

> her older sister who is NT almost died as a baby from them. So there you

> go, vaccinations did not cause my daughters autism. Although I am scared to

> vaccinate her, and I won't.

, I found it interesting that even though your daughter regressed at

TWO years old, it wasn't from vaccines. Any ideas why she did regress?

I've never heard of " spontaneous " regression; all I " ve heard of typical kids

regressing has been after vaccines. Did she not have any developmental

delays before then? Mine had delays of about 5 months but had a friend

whose daughter also was developing at about the same rate, so I wasn't too

concerned. I just thought she was 3 more months delayed than my typical

daughter who seemed about 2 mos delayed.

Just curious,

Marie A.

[Guest guest]

Just adding that I agree that there seems to be different causes of autism. I

have two sets of twins and one from each set is autistic. I also have a NT 3

year old and am due with number 6 in February. My daughter who is 10 and from

the first set of twins definitely seemed different at birth. We have found at in

the last year or so that she has a rare genetic disorder that most likely is the

cause of her autism. My son who is autistic from the second set seemed totally

on track from birth

did everything developmentally appropriate except he never spoke until he was

about 3 1/2. His other issues are mostly sensory. I also feel certain that

certain children were definitely hurt from vaccines. I think certain people

react and hold on to different things they are exposed to even if others don't

Thanks!

I know I am going to get heat for this

one...

> > To: Autism_in_Girls@ yahoogroups. com

> > Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:16 PM

> > OK, I have 4 kids and 3 of them have ASD. They all have been

> > vaccinated and one is neuro-typical. I have 2 friends

> > who's boys were

> > not vaccinated and have ASD. I do not regret vaccinating my

> > children.

> > I have lived and worked in East Los Angeles where there are

> > many

> > migrant workers who do not have the kinds of health care

> > over their

> > lives as we do. I have seen students contract Whooping

> > Cough, TB and

> > many other very dangerous diseases. It is tragic. These

> > kids I taught

> > are ASD and have not been vaccinated. I agree that we need

> > to look at

> > the way vaccines are given and what is in the vaccine

> > cocktail to make

> > them as safe as possible. I just think many people are

> > crazed and

> > blaming something that is a bit ambiguous. I think it maybe

> > a trigger

> > for ASD and it could make ASD worse. However, I believe

> > genetics is

> > the cause and that it is in families. My sister and brother

> > are both

> > Aspergers, then there are my children.

> >

> > I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for

> > ASD. I

> > also agree with many people that feel that we need to

> > accept the neuro

> > differences in people. Yes, we need activists but all these

> > Mom's look

> > crazed when they are on TV and people just pity them. I

> > think we need

> > to be strong as parents and not be so emotional up front. I

> > was

> > talking to some business members in my community who wish

> > they had

> > focused workers who could be trained and reliable. How

> > about we look

> > at a pragmatic approach of what are kids CAN do and how

> > wonderful they

> > are. It makes our kids look like they are damaged and

> > cannot do

> > anything with their lives. I am not tortured by my children

> > and there

> > future...I am hopeful and working to help them. I do not

> > want to

> > insult anyone here, but I need to put my perspective out

> > there as well.

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[Guest guest]

Congrats on baby no 6!!

Debi

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> Just adding that I agree that there seems to be different causes of

autism. I have two sets of twins and one from each set is autistic. I

also have a NT 3 year old and am due with number 6 in February.

[Guest guest]

Thanks! We are super surprised but excited.

Re: I know I am going to get heat for this one...

Congrats on baby no 6!!

Debi

>

> Just adding that I agree that there seems to be different causes of

autism. I have two sets of twins and one from each set is autistic. I

also have a NT 3 year old and am due with number 6 in February.