Re: I know I am going to get heat for this one...

[Guest guest]

There are more contributors to our childrens' illness than JUST the

vaccines, but I believe that the vaccines put my daughter over the edge.

She'd not have the allergies, gut problems, need the gfcf diet, catch

every cold that comes along, etc etc etc, all the symptoms that add up

to behaviors that put her on the autism spectrum, if we had not

vaccinated her.

>

>

> I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for ASD.

[Guest guest]

There are more contributors to our childrens' illness than JUST the

vaccines, but I believe that the vaccines put my daughter over the edge.

She'd not have the allergies, gut problems, need the gfcf diet, catch

every cold that comes along, etc etc etc, all the symptoms that add up

to behaviors that put her on the autism spectrum, if we had not

vaccinated her.

>

>

> I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for ASD.

[Guest guest]

There are more contributors to our childrens' illness than JUST the

vaccines, but I believe that the vaccines put my daughter over the edge.

She'd not have the allergies, gut problems, need the gfcf diet, catch

every cold that comes along, etc etc etc, all the symptoms that add up

to behaviors that put her on the autism spectrum, if we had not

vaccinated her.

>

>

> I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for ASD.

[Guest guest]

I don't think vaccines are the only thing, but I do think they are a

major cause. When you state none of them were immunized at all, do you

mean never, not even at birth? Do you mean even mom never got any

shots? Also, there are issues with silver fillings, food consumptions,

and antibiotic use, along with tylenol usage. No, none of these single

things are completely responsible for all autism, but each has a link

and without fully investigating each and every link, help will not be had.

I think it's great you are not concerned with your children being

damaged. I think my child is wonderful AND she is damaged. That

doesn't mean she's any less of a person or I think of her any less, it

means her body is broken and as her mother I must not rest until it is

fixed. Yes I will be emotional about it and make no apologies. I

wouldn't expect a mother of a cancer patient to be without emotion,

nor the mother of a diabetic child, nor the mother of a child with

cerebral palsy to have no emotion. Mother == emotion.

Debi

[Guest guest]

I agree with you bookfairy.  I don't think my daughter is autistic because of

her vaccinations, I believe it is genetic and even in the womb she showed

autistic traits, shutting down when we were anywhere noisy - leading to several

hospital visits to check her heartbeat.  Several of my extended family members

also show autistic traits on both my side and the in-laws side.

However I accept that others do believe vaccines caused all their woes.  I just

know that if the subject line references vaccines I delete the email unread

because it is not something I want to hear about yet again.  I researched it, I

talked to people, read info and don't believe in the vaccine argument at all. 

To hear about it over and over again is tedious and annoying.

I get angry when people compare autism to cancer.  My daughter is not dying,

she is full of life and has a long life full of happiness in front of her. 

Cancer is different entirely and having known families who have children with

cancer and who have had children die from cancer.  There is nothing similar.

Neither is she 'damaged', she sees the world differently and I love seeing how

she see's the world because it opens up a whole new point of view that I'd never

known was there before.  The mere concept that an autistic child can be

referred to as damaged like some sort of factory reject... it makes me ill and

even more angry than the comparison of Autism to cancer.

The only thing that gets me more riled up is when parents of children on the

autism spectrum don't do everything within their means to give their children

the best start in life.  Investing as much time and money as they can into

helping their child learn how to function in a NT society.  Then again I get

just as angry over parents who don't care to invest time / money in giving their

NT child the best start in life.

I love this group because all the members here have the same goal, giving our

children / family / selves the best start in life, doing what needs to be done,

even when the rest of the world thinks were crazy.

So what if we disagree what causes autism.  I care that people here care enough

to help when I ask a question, support each other through difficulties.

Cheers

Marita

Subject: I know I am going to get heat for this one...

To: Autism_in_Girls

Received: Friday, 11 July, 2008, 3:16 AM

OK, I have 4 kids and 3 of them have ASD. They all have been

vaccinated and one is neuro-typical. I have 2 friends who's boys were

not vaccinated and have ASD. I do not regret vaccinating my children.

I have lived and worked in East Los Angeles where there are many

migrant workers who do not have the kinds of health care over their

lives as we do. I have seen students contract Whooping Cough, TB and

many other very dangerous diseases. It is tragic. These kids I taught

are ASD and have not been vaccinated. I agree that we need to look at

the way vaccines are given and what is in the vaccine cocktail to make

them as safe as possible. I just think many people are crazed and

blaming something that is a bit ambiguous. I think it maybe a trigger

for ASD and it could make ASD worse. However, I believe genetics is

the cause and that it is in families. My sister and brother are both

Aspergers, then there are my children.

I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for ASD. I

also agree with many people that feel that we need to accept the neuro

differences in people. Yes, we need activists but all these Mom's look

crazed when they are on TV and people just pity them. I think we need

to be strong as parents and not be so emotional up front. I was

talking to some business members in my community who wish they had

focused workers who could be trained and reliable. How about we look

at a pragmatic approach of what are kids CAN do and how wonderful they

are. It makes our kids look like they are damaged and cannot do

anything with their lives. I am not tortured by my children and there

future...I am hopeful and working to help them. I do not want to

insult anyone here, but I need to put my perspective out there as well.

Start at the new Yahoo!7 for a better online experience. www.yahoo7.com.au

[Guest guest]

I agree with you bookfairy.  I don't think my daughter is autistic because of

her vaccinations, I believe it is genetic and even in the womb she showed

autistic traits, shutting down when we were anywhere noisy - leading to several

hospital visits to check her heartbeat.  Several of my extended family members

also show autistic traits on both my side and the in-laws side.

However I accept that others do believe vaccines caused all their woes.  I just

know that if the subject line references vaccines I delete the email unread

because it is not something I want to hear about yet again.  I researched it, I

talked to people, read info and don't believe in the vaccine argument at all. 

To hear about it over and over again is tedious and annoying.

I get angry when people compare autism to cancer.  My daughter is not dying,

she is full of life and has a long life full of happiness in front of her. 

Cancer is different entirely and having known families who have children with

cancer and who have had children die from cancer.  There is nothing similar.

Neither is she 'damaged', she sees the world differently and I love seeing how

she see's the world because it opens up a whole new point of view that I'd never

known was there before.  The mere concept that an autistic child can be

referred to as damaged like some sort of factory reject... it makes me ill and

even more angry than the comparison of Autism to cancer.

The only thing that gets me more riled up is when parents of children on the

autism spectrum don't do everything within their means to give their children

the best start in life.  Investing as much time and money as they can into

helping their child learn how to function in a NT society.  Then again I get

just as angry over parents who don't care to invest time / money in giving their

NT child the best start in life.

I love this group because all the members here have the same goal, giving our

children / family / selves the best start in life, doing what needs to be done,

even when the rest of the world thinks were crazy.

So what if we disagree what causes autism.  I care that people here care enough

to help when I ask a question, support each other through difficulties.

Cheers

Marita

Subject: I know I am going to get heat for this one...

To: Autism_in_Girls

Received: Friday, 11 July, 2008, 3:16 AM

OK, I have 4 kids and 3 of them have ASD. They all have been

vaccinated and one is neuro-typical. I have 2 friends who's boys were

not vaccinated and have ASD. I do not regret vaccinating my children.

I have lived and worked in East Los Angeles where there are many

migrant workers who do not have the kinds of health care over their

lives as we do. I have seen students contract Whooping Cough, TB and

many other very dangerous diseases. It is tragic. These kids I taught

are ASD and have not been vaccinated. I agree that we need to look at

the way vaccines are given and what is in the vaccine cocktail to make

them as safe as possible. I just think many people are crazed and

blaming something that is a bit ambiguous. I think it maybe a trigger

for ASD and it could make ASD worse. However, I believe genetics is

the cause and that it is in families. My sister and brother are both

Aspergers, then there are my children.

I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for ASD. I

also agree with many people that feel that we need to accept the neuro

differences in people. Yes, we need activists but all these Mom's look

crazed when they are on TV and people just pity them. I think we need

to be strong as parents and not be so emotional up front. I was

talking to some business members in my community who wish they had

focused workers who could be trained and reliable. How about we look

at a pragmatic approach of what are kids CAN do and how wonderful they

are. It makes our kids look like they are damaged and cannot do

anything with their lives. I am not tortured by my children and there

future...I am hopeful and working to help them. I do not want to

insult anyone here, but I need to put my perspective out there as well.

Start at the new Yahoo!7 for a better online experience. www.yahoo7.com.au

[Guest guest]

Your daughter may not be dying, my daughter has nearly at least three

times from metabolic crisis. Cancer is not just about dying, though.

It's about a life challenge, adversity, and being changed in the

process. I know people who have had cancer and they always say they

are changed people not because of dying, but because they are still alive.

There are those with autism who are perfectly healthy; I would suggest

the majority of parents who are upset are not because they have

healthy children with autism, it's because they have very unhealthy

children and when their health improves, they also seem to have fewer

autism-associated traits, such as when gut problems are fixed

head-banging (associated with autism) ceases, screaming (associated

with autism) decreases, concentration (lack associated with autism)

and focus (lack associated with autism) increases, and language

deficits (associated with autism) improve.

Just this afternoon on the way back from taking my daughter

out-of-state to her DAN, I explained to her what her doctor and I had

discussed about her health, what Dr. Geier has found with her health

issues, why we think she is so sick all the time, and what we hope to

do is make her not be sick all the time and feel good. She was quiet

several minutes and then said, " Mom, thanks for giving me a chance.... "

I said, " What chance?...you mean to make you feel better? " I asked.

" Yes. " she said.

So, I don't give a crap how many of you are sick of me talking about

my child with a damaged body, and I won't stop telling all the mothers

of children who have damaged bodies about ways to help them. Yes I'm

pissed, a trip to land and a trip to Alabama in two weeks just to

get the help that should be provided ANY child is enough to make any

mother mad.

Why don't you all stop for a second and consider these kids, generally

speaking, have sick bodies? Explosive diarrhea is not healthy.

Self-injurous behavior is not healthy. Seizures are not healthy. Lead,

mercury, and arsenic in the blood and organic metabolites is not

healthy. Labs 1-2 points from organ failure while a child is so sick

she can barely breathe is not healthy, and YES, it's associated with

autism. Not a single association, but an overwhelming association.

You are obviously not here to support me or the other damaged children

when you say it makes you ill that I refer to my daughter's damaged

mitochondria, immune system, and endocrine system as offensive.

I'm not angry that you have a different opinion, but yeah, I'm angry

that I have to take out my husband's retirement funds to travel up the

east coast, to pay for the meds to help her, to leave my kids, then

get on this board to read about how offensive it is to you to consider

kids may be sick?

Give me a friggin break!

Debi

[Guest guest]

> Give me a friggin break!

I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at the

hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and

swallowed 6 push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of the

pins pierced her esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed to

the ER and they used an endoscope to get them out. Then, if that

wasn't enough, she got a Staph infection at the hospital at the

injury site. There have been some scary moments over the last 48

house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the woods.

You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a

prime example. She managed to run away from school a couple of years

ago, under the noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping

her safe.

I'm sorry, but this IS a life and death struggle for some of us, not

just a matter of accepting our children as " different " . It's hard to

be pragmatic when your child's life literally hangs in the balance

every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb by a vaccine that

destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain. We are

not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and

steadfast, intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.

Your beliefs become your thoughts.

Your thoughts become your words.

Your words become your actions.

Your actions become your habits.

Your habits become your values.

Your values become your destiny. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

[Guest guest]

> Give me a friggin break!

I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at the

hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and

swallowed 6 push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of the

pins pierced her esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed to

the ER and they used an endoscope to get them out. Then, if that

wasn't enough, she got a Staph infection at the hospital at the

injury site. There have been some scary moments over the last 48

house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the woods.

You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a

prime example. She managed to run away from school a couple of years

ago, under the noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping

her safe.

I'm sorry, but this IS a life and death struggle for some of us, not

just a matter of accepting our children as " different " . It's hard to

be pragmatic when your child's life literally hangs in the balance

every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb by a vaccine that

destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain. We are

not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and

steadfast, intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.

Your beliefs become your thoughts.

Your thoughts become your words.

Your words become your actions.

Your actions become your habits.

Your habits become your values.

Your values become your destiny. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

[Guest guest]

Well, I completely agree with you. I've worked with at least 5 kids

who were never vaccinated, not one single vaccine, and they were still

autistic. Four of them were younger siblings of autistic kids so their

parents chose not to vaccinate anymore, and the fifth just had parents

who did a lot of research, chose not to vaccinate, and she was still

autistic. Pretty severely autistic actually.

None of my own kids have autism, but 3 of my cousins do, and one of my

uncles, and two of my husband's cousins and one of his uncles. So we

do have a genetic risk. But we're still vaccinating. We do a delayed

schedule and only one shot at a time, but my son will be all caught up

by the time he starts kindergarten in August. I have parents ask me

CONSTANTLY my opinion on vaccines, and my response is always, " educate

before you vaccinate. " Parents need to know the risks of giving

vaccines AND the risks of not giving them, and they need to chose what

is best for them, not just make decisions based on scare tactics from

either side.

Amnesty

>

> OK, I have 4 kids and 3 of them have ASD. They all have been

> vaccinated and one is neuro-typical. I have 2 friends who's boys were

> not vaccinated and have ASD. I do not regret vaccinating my children.

> I have lived and worked in East Los Angeles where there are many

> migrant workers who do not have the kinds of health care over their

> lives as we do. I have seen students contract Whooping Cough, TB and

> many other very dangerous diseases. It is tragic. These kids I taught

> are ASD and have not been vaccinated. I agree that we need to look at

> the way vaccines are given and what is in the vaccine cocktail to make

> them as safe as possible. I just think many people are crazed and

> blaming something that is a bit ambiguous. I think it maybe a trigger

> for ASD and it could make ASD worse. However, I believe genetics is

> the cause and that it is in families. My sister and brother are both

> Aspergers, then there are my children.

>

> I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for ASD. I

> also agree with many people that feel that we need to accept the neuro

> differences in people. Yes, we need activists but all these Mom's look

> crazed when they are on TV and people just pity them. I think we need

> to be strong as parents and not be so emotional up front. I was

> talking to some business members in my community who wish they had

> focused workers who could be trained and reliable. How about we look

> at a pragmatic approach of what are kids CAN do and how wonderful they

> are. It makes our kids look like they are damaged and cannot do

> anything with their lives. I am not tortured by my children and there

> future...I am hopeful and working to help them. I do not want to

> insult anyone here, but I need to put my perspective out there as well.

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I completely agree with you. I've worked with at least 5 kids

who were never vaccinated, not one single vaccine, and they were still

autistic. Four of them were younger siblings of autistic kids so their

parents chose not to vaccinate anymore, and the fifth just had parents

who did a lot of research, chose not to vaccinate, and she was still

autistic. Pretty severely autistic actually.

None of my own kids have autism, but 3 of my cousins do, and one of my

uncles, and two of my husband's cousins and one of his uncles. So we

do have a genetic risk. But we're still vaccinating. We do a delayed

schedule and only one shot at a time, but my son will be all caught up

by the time he starts kindergarten in August. I have parents ask me

CONSTANTLY my opinion on vaccines, and my response is always, " educate

before you vaccinate. " Parents need to know the risks of giving

vaccines AND the risks of not giving them, and they need to chose what

is best for them, not just make decisions based on scare tactics from

either side.

Amnesty

>

> OK, I have 4 kids and 3 of them have ASD. They all have been

> vaccinated and one is neuro-typical. I have 2 friends who's boys were

> not vaccinated and have ASD. I do not regret vaccinating my children.

> I have lived and worked in East Los Angeles where there are many

> migrant workers who do not have the kinds of health care over their

> lives as we do. I have seen students contract Whooping Cough, TB and

> many other very dangerous diseases. It is tragic. These kids I taught

> are ASD and have not been vaccinated. I agree that we need to look at

> the way vaccines are given and what is in the vaccine cocktail to make

> them as safe as possible. I just think many people are crazed and

> blaming something that is a bit ambiguous. I think it maybe a trigger

> for ASD and it could make ASD worse. However, I believe genetics is

> the cause and that it is in families. My sister and brother are both

> Aspergers, then there are my children.

>

> I am just tired of vaccinations being the end all blame for ASD. I

> also agree with many people that feel that we need to accept the neuro

> differences in people. Yes, we need activists but all these Mom's look

> crazed when they are on TV and people just pity them. I think we need

> to be strong as parents and not be so emotional up front. I was

> talking to some business members in my community who wish they had

> focused workers who could be trained and reliable. How about we look

> at a pragmatic approach of what are kids CAN do and how wonderful they

> are. It makes our kids look like they are damaged and cannot do

> anything with their lives. I am not tortured by my children and there

> future...I am hopeful and working to help them. I do not want to

> insult anyone here, but I need to put my perspective out there as well.

>

[Guest guest]

I dont know who said Autism isnt life threatening sheesh we have had some near

misses with Miss almost 4. Nothing like a kid breaking free from your hand and

running onto the main road in town. The sound of screeching brakes will be in my

mind forever. Right along with the sound of her banging her head into a wall and

the piercing squeal of her at 3am because she cant sleep or get into the yard to

bounce... Not life threatening my left foot... And thats not even including the

health issues like anemia from a piss poor diet or constipation cause we ran out

of the only water she will drink.....

 

 

in Aus

Mum to 2 kids on the spectrum

> Give me a friggin break!

I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at the

hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and

swallowed 6 push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of the

pins pierced her esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed to

the ER and they used an endoscope to get them out. Then, if that

wasn't enough, she got a Staph infection at the hospital at the

injury site. There have been some scary moments over the last 48

house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the woods.

You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a

prime example. She managed to run away from school a couple of years

ago, under the noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping

her safe.

I'm sorry, but this IS a life and death struggle for some of us, not

just a matter of accepting our children as " different " . It's hard to

be pragmatic when your child's life literally hangs in the balance

every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb by a vaccine that

destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain. We are

not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and

steadfast, intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.

Your beliefs become your thoughts.

Your thoughts become your words.

Your words become your actions.

Your actions become your habits.

Your habits become your values.

Your values become your destiny. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

[Guest guest]

yeah i have been having one of those days with hannah who will be 14 in oct. she

decided she didnt want to go to one shop today, but she wanted to go to another,

then she wouldnt buy the paper she needed in this other shop, even though it was

exactly the same as the other place, with raised voice, i could have almost

knocked her down, she just annoyed me so much, well the truth is coming out

here..........her younger brother walks away when this happens, and thank good

we didnt have her older sister, otherwise she would have got into a shouting

match with her.........i told her she was acting silly....she shouted back that

she wasn't silly, she knows only too well. i see moments when she might almost

do anything unexpected.....her diet is shot too, she will only eat certain

things, and i have given up trying to get her to try other stuff........i am

sure i will get over this mood later on, i just feel like crap at the

moment........but i am sure you have all been there........

Cheryl S [chez]

To: Autism_in_Girls@...: mrs_westyofoz@...: Thu, 10

Jul 2008 22:16:11 -0700Subject: Re: Re: I know I am going to

get heat for this one...

I dont know who said Autism isnt life threatening sheesh we have had some near

misses with Miss almost 4. Nothing like a kid breaking free from your hand and

running onto the main road in town. The sound of screeching brakes will be in my

mind forever. Right along with the sound of her banging her head into a wall and

the piercing squeal of her at 3am because she cant sleep or get into the yard to

bounce... Not life threatening my left foot... And thats not even including the

health issues like anemia from a piss poor diet or constipation cause we ran out

of the only water she will drink..... in AusMum to 2 kids on the

spectrum> Give me

a friggin break!I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at

the hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and swallowed 6

push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of the pins pierced her

esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed to the ER and they used an

endoscope to get them out. Then, if that wasn't enough, she got a Staph

infection at the hospital at the injury site. There have been some scary moments

over the last 48 house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the

woods.You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a prime

example. She managed to run away from school a couple of years ago, under the

noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping her safe.I'm sorry, but this

IS a life and death struggle for some of us, not just a matter of accepting our

children as " different " . It's hard to be pragmatic when your child's life

literally hangs in the balance every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb

by a vaccine that destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain.

We are not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and steadfast,

intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.Your beliefs become

your thoughts.Your thoughts become your words.Your words become your

actions.Your actions become your habits.Your habits become your values.Your

values become your destiny. ~ Mahatma Gandhi[Non-text portions of this message

have been removed]Start at the new Yahoo!7 for a better online experience.

www.yahoo7.com.au

[Guest guest]

Oh ! I'm so glad to hear that she is out of the woods now!! How scary!

A couple years ago my daughter got her hands on one of those flat button

cell batteries that was about the size of a quarter... She swallowed it!!

She didn't choke on it, but it was blocking her from being able to eat or

drink much. Anything she ate came back up and then drinking was very little.

After an x-ray they determined she needed to have a scope to take it out but

by the time we got to the hospital that could do this, it had moved into her

stomach so they said there wasn't much they could do but wait it out!

Then they said that if it was a quarter she'd be fine, but if it was a

battery she'd end up getting really sick as her stomach acids ate away at

the battery and exposed the toxins inside, and then they'd need to go in and

get it out....

After several days she still wasn't sick and we had x-rays done every other

day or so to check where it was. At the 10 day mark when they said they'd

take it out of it hadn't passed on it's own, the dr. changed his mind and

said to give it a few more days... I STILL thought it was a battery, they

still thought it had to be a quarter if she wasn't sick by now....

Thankfully she did pass it on her own, and it WAS a battery!! The dr.'s were

all amazed when I showed it to them and said that something had protected

her because it should have been corroded and making her VERY ill by then...

We have to really watch her with small items because even though she's 5

now, she still puts all sorts of things in her mouth. Especially money or

anything shiny or metal, but anything will do. I try to keep her with

appropriate things to put in her mouth, but doesn't always work.

Anyway , I'm just so glad to hear that your daughter is going to be

ok!!!

>

>

>

> > Give me a friggin break!

>

> I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at the

> hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and

> swallowed 6 push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of the

> pins pierced her esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed to

> the ER and they used an endoscope to get them out. Then, if that

> wasn't enough, she got a Staph infection at the hospital at the

> injury site. There have been some scary moments over the last 48

> house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the woods.

>

> You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a

> prime example. She managed to run away from school a couple of years

> ago, under the noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping

> her safe.

>

> I'm sorry, but this IS a life and death struggle for some of us, not

> just a matter of accepting our children as " different " . It's hard to

> be pragmatic when your child's life literally hangs in the balance

> every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb by a vaccine that

> destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain. We are

> not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and

> steadfast, intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.

>

>

>

> Your beliefs become your thoughts.

> Your thoughts become your words.

> Your words become your actions.

> Your actions become your habits.

> Your habits become your values.

> Your values become your destiny. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think vaccines totally caused 's autism, but I think

they made it more severe. I just got my Rho Gam shot yesterday as I

am 26 weeks pregnant with another girl, and believe you me, I asked

for the package insert and read it thoroughly to certify no mercury

in it. For sure, the shot I had with natalie had it in there,

because it said it on the label, and me, being ignorant, took it

anyway! I will not vaccinate this baby right away, probably not till

she is a year, then split them up.

Comparing autism to cancer: at least with cancer you know what you

are fighting!!!!

My hope is that if this baby has autism, she will be milder, because

I don't know if I have the strength to handle this again. I wanted

to take the chance for another child so someone could take care of

when we are gone and she can have a companion.

THe fact that some of you have NT kids gives me SOME hope.

>

> > Give me a friggin break!

>

> I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at

the

> hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and

> swallowed 6 push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of

the

> pins pierced her esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed

to

> the ER and they used an endoscope to get them out. Then, if that

> wasn't enough, she got a Staph infection at the hospital at the

> injury site. There have been some scary moments over the last 48

> house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the woods.

>

> You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a

> prime example. She managed to run away from school a couple of

years

> ago, under the noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping

> her safe.

>

> I'm sorry, but this IS a life and death struggle for some of us,

not

> just a matter of accepting our children as " different " . It's hard

to

> be pragmatic when your child's life literally hangs in the balance

> every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb by a vaccine that

> destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain. We

are

> not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and

> steadfast, intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.

>

>

>

> Your beliefs become your thoughts.

> Your thoughts become your words.

> Your words become your actions.

> Your actions become your habits.

> Your habits become your values.

> Your values become your destiny. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think vaccines totally caused 's autism, but I think

they made it more severe. I just got my Rho Gam shot yesterday as I

am 26 weeks pregnant with another girl, and believe you me, I asked

for the package insert and read it thoroughly to certify no mercury

in it. For sure, the shot I had with natalie had it in there,

because it said it on the label, and me, being ignorant, took it

anyway! I will not vaccinate this baby right away, probably not till

she is a year, then split them up.

Comparing autism to cancer: at least with cancer you know what you

are fighting!!!!

My hope is that if this baby has autism, she will be milder, because

I don't know if I have the strength to handle this again. I wanted

to take the chance for another child so someone could take care of

when we are gone and she can have a companion.

THe fact that some of you have NT kids gives me SOME hope.

>

> > Give me a friggin break!

>

> I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at

the

> hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and

> swallowed 6 push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of

the

> pins pierced her esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed

to

> the ER and they used an endoscope to get them out. Then, if that

> wasn't enough, she got a Staph infection at the hospital at the

> injury site. There have been some scary moments over the last 48

> house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the woods.

>

> You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a

> prime example. She managed to run away from school a couple of

years

> ago, under the noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping

> her safe.

>

> I'm sorry, but this IS a life and death struggle for some of us,

not

> just a matter of accepting our children as " different " . It's hard

to

> be pragmatic when your child's life literally hangs in the balance

> every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb by a vaccine that

> destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain. We

are

> not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and

> steadfast, intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.

>

>

>

> Your beliefs become your thoughts.

> Your thoughts become your words.

> Your words become your actions.

> Your actions become your habits.

> Your habits become your values.

> Your values become your destiny. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think the vac had anything to do with my daughters Autism. She

was showing sings as an infant, I think it has more to do with

genetics and environment.

Joanna

>

> I don't think vaccines totally caused 's autism, but I think

> they made it more severe. I just got my Rho Gam shot yesterday as I

> am 26 weeks pregnant with another girl, and believe you me, I asked

> for the package insert and read it thoroughly to certify no mercury

> in it. For sure, the shot I had with natalie had it in there,

> because it said it on the label, and me, being ignorant, took it

> anyway! I will not vaccinate this baby right away, probably not till

> she is a year, then split them up.

>

> Comparing autism to cancer: at least with cancer you know what you

> are fighting!!!!

>

> My hope is that if this baby has autism, she will be milder, because

> I don't know if I have the strength to handle this again. I wanted

> to take the chance for another child so someone could take care of

> when we are gone and she can have a companion.

>

> THe fact that some of you have NT kids gives me SOME hope.

>

>

>

>>

>> > Give me a friggin break!

>>

>> I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at

> the

>> hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and

>> swallowed 6 push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of

> the

>> pins pierced her esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed

> to

>> the ER and they used an endoscope to get them out. Then, if that

>> wasn't enough, she got a Staph infection at the hospital at the

>> injury site. There have been some scary moments over the last 48

>> house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the woods.

>>

>> You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a

>> prime example. She managed to run away from school a couple of

> years

>> ago, under the noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping

>> her safe.

>>

>> I'm sorry, but this IS a life and death struggle for some of us,

> not

>> just a matter of accepting our children as " different " . It's hard

> to

>> be pragmatic when your child's life literally hangs in the balance

>> every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb by a vaccine that

>> destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain. We

> are

>> not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and

>> steadfast, intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I don't think the vac had anything to do with my daughters Autism. She

was showing sings as an infant, I think it has more to do with

genetics and environment.

Joanna

>

> I don't think vaccines totally caused 's autism, but I think

> they made it more severe. I just got my Rho Gam shot yesterday as I

> am 26 weeks pregnant with another girl, and believe you me, I asked

> for the package insert and read it thoroughly to certify no mercury

> in it. For sure, the shot I had with natalie had it in there,

> because it said it on the label, and me, being ignorant, took it

> anyway! I will not vaccinate this baby right away, probably not till

> she is a year, then split them up.

>

> Comparing autism to cancer: at least with cancer you know what you

> are fighting!!!!

>

> My hope is that if this baby has autism, she will be milder, because

> I don't know if I have the strength to handle this again. I wanted

> to take the chance for another child so someone could take care of

> when we are gone and she can have a companion.

>

> THe fact that some of you have NT kids gives me SOME hope.

>

>

>

>>

>> > Give me a friggin break!

>>

>> I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at

> the

>> hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and

>> swallowed 6 push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of

> the

>> pins pierced her esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed

> to

>> the ER and they used an endoscope to get them out. Then, if that

>> wasn't enough, she got a Staph infection at the hospital at the

>> injury site. There have been some scary moments over the last 48

>> house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the woods.

>>

>> You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a

>> prime example. She managed to run away from school a couple of

> years

>> ago, under the noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping

>> her safe.

>>

>> I'm sorry, but this IS a life and death struggle for some of us,

> not

>> just a matter of accepting our children as " different " . It's hard

> to

>> be pragmatic when your child's life literally hangs in the balance

>> every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb by a vaccine that

>> destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain. We

> are

>> not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and

>> steadfast, intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

> Oh ! I'm so glad to hear that she is out of the woods now!!

> How scary!

Thanks so much, Theresa...it's such a relief to have her home now.

[Guest guest]

Debi,

I just want to say that I understand where you are coming from in the

relation of being a Special Education teacher with more severely

effected children. I, in no way would compare Cancer with Autism. I

left my teaching position because I had a difficult time not

advocating for the children and their parents. The school district

said it would not renew my contract if I did not keep suggesting

Occupational Therapy. They wanted to cut the OT budget, I refused and

resigned. I was a great teacher and I still am stopped by parents

saying how much they missed me. I believe in being an advocate.

People need to speak up. Unfortunately, the only thing being heard out

there is the immunization concerns. I want a balance, I guess I am

very pragmatic in the sense that my children have Autism and I have

moved to how to help them right now, rather than focus on the cause.

That is how I deal with my issues. I am not going to put that on to

you or anyone else. I just wanted my perspective heard.

My belief is Autism is mainly genetic, however the more severe traits

or physical illness traits are caused by many different aspects, such

as environmental toxins, possibly immunizations, allergies (solved by

special diets) and brain chemistry.

My children are not physically effected like many. They are basically

healthy, so you are right I do not have any complaints in that way. I

am in debt for my daughters therapy and leaving my job has given me

the ability to help my own kids needs. My 3 year old ASD daughter was

not talking, could hardly walk, slept very little. Now she is

speaking, running and riding a tricycle. She basically being taught

over the last 6 months one to one with a special ed teacher. I know

the fatigue and cost (I am unemployed, during a recession living on my

retirement savings).

>

> Your daughter may not be dying, my daughter has nearly at least three

> times from metabolic crisis. Cancer is not just about dying, though.

> It's about a life challenge, adversity, and being changed in the

> process. I know people who have had cancer and they always say they

> are changed people not because of dying, but because they are still

alive.

>

> There are those with autism who are perfectly healthy; I would suggest

> the majority of parents who are upset are not because they have

> healthy children with autism, it's because they have very unhealthy

> children and when their health improves, they also seem to have fewer

> autism-associated traits, such as when gut problems are fixed

> head-banging (associated with autism) ceases, screaming (associated

> with autism) decreases, concentration (lack associated with autism)

> and focus (lack associated with autism) increases, and language

> deficits (associated with autism) improve.

>

> Just this afternoon on the way back from taking my daughter

> out-of-state to her DAN, I explained to her what her doctor and I had

> discussed about her health, what Dr. Geier has found with her health

> issues, why we think she is so sick all the time, and what we hope to

> do is make her not be sick all the time and feel good. She was quiet

> several minutes and then said, " Mom, thanks for giving me a chance.... "

>

> I said, " What chance?...you mean to make you feel better? " I asked.

>

> " Yes. " she said.

>

> So, I don't give a crap how many of you are sick of me talking about

> my child with a damaged body, and I won't stop telling all the mothers

> of children who have damaged bodies about ways to help them. Yes I'm

> pissed, a trip to land and a trip to Alabama in two weeks just to

> get the help that should be provided ANY child is enough to make any

> mother mad.

>

> Why don't you all stop for a second and consider these kids, generally

> speaking, have sick bodies? Explosive diarrhea is not healthy.

> Self-injurous behavior is not healthy. Seizures are not healthy. Lead,

> mercury, and arsenic in the blood and organic metabolites is not

> healthy. Labs 1-2 points from organ failure while a child is so sick

> she can barely breathe is not healthy, and YES, it's associated with

> autism. Not a single association, but an overwhelming association.

>

> You are obviously not here to support me or the other damaged children

> when you say it makes you ill that I refer to my daughter's damaged

> mitochondria, immune system, and endocrine system as offensive.

>

> I'm not angry that you have a different opinion, but yeah, I'm angry

> that I have to take out my husband's retirement funds to travel up the

> east coast, to pay for the meds to help her, to leave my kids, then

> get on this board to read about how offensive it is to you to consider

> kids may be sick?

>

> Give me a friggin break!

>

> Debi

>

[Guest guest]

Here here Debi!

Well said and I love the way you speak openly with your daughter,

you are an amazing mom.

Cheers,

Dana

Prisiclla's mom

who doesn't feel the vaccines alone caused her daughter's autism but

that the rhogam shot wilst pregnant and the flu shot that gave her a

105 degree fever that landed us in the ER and started us on monthly

ear infections treated with anitbiotics and tylenol 2-3 weeks out of

every month probably didn't help in ADDITION to a genetic link and

not even counting all the crap thay put in vaccines to preserve them

so they can make more $$$ and to that end I do count the aluminum in

the rhogam (in addition to thimerisol) aluminum in the flu shot (in

addition to thimerisol) aluminum in the soy formula I supplemented my

breast milk with. etc etc etc

>

> Your daughter may not be dying, my daughter has nearly at least

three

> times from metabolic crisis. Cancer is not just about dying, though.

> It's about a life challenge, adversity, and being changed in the

> process. I know people who have had cancer and they always say they

> are changed people not because of dying, but because they are still

alive.

>

> There are those with autism who are perfectly healthy; I would

suggest

> the majority of parents who are upset are not because they have

> healthy children with autism, it's because they have very unhealthy

> children and when their health improves, they also seem to have

fewer

> autism-associated traits, such as when gut problems are fixed

> head-banging (associated with autism) ceases, screaming (associated

> with autism) decreases, concentration (lack associated with autism)

> and focus (lack associated with autism) increases, and language

> deficits (associated with autism) improve.

>

> Just this afternoon on the way back from taking my daughter

> out-of-state to her DAN, I explained to her what her doctor and I

had

> discussed about her health, what Dr. Geier has found with her health

> issues, why we think she is so sick all the time, and what we hope

to

> do is make her not be sick all the time and feel good. She was quiet

> several minutes and then said, " Mom, thanks for giving me a

chance.... "

>

> I said, " What chance?...you mean to make you feel better? " I asked.

>

> " Yes. " she said.

>

> So, I don't give a crap how many of you are sick of me talking about

> my child with a damaged body, and I won't stop telling all the

mothers

> of children who have damaged bodies about ways to help them. Yes I'm

> pissed, a trip to land and a trip to Alabama in two weeks just

to

> get the help that should be provided ANY child is enough to make any

> mother mad.

>

> Why don't you all stop for a second and consider these kids,

generally

> speaking, have sick bodies? Explosive diarrhea is not healthy.

> Self-injurous behavior is not healthy. Seizures are not healthy.

Lead,

> mercury, and arsenic in the blood and organic metabolites is not

> healthy. Labs 1-2 points from organ failure while a child is so sick

> she can barely breathe is not healthy, and YES, it's associated with

> autism. Not a single association, but an overwhelming association.

>

> You are obviously not here to support me or the other damaged

children

> when you say it makes you ill that I refer to my daughter's damaged

> mitochondria, immune system, and endocrine system as offensive.

>

> I'm not angry that you have a different opinion, but yeah, I'm angry

> that I have to take out my husband's retirement funds to travel up

the

> east coast, to pay for the meds to help her, to leave my kids, then

> get on this board to read about how offensive it is to you to

consider

> kids may be sick?

>

> Give me a friggin break!

>

> Debi

>

[Guest guest]

YOu and are in my prayers, what a rough time.

>

> > Give me a friggin break!

>

> I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at

the

> hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and

> swallowed 6 push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of

the

> pins pierced her esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed

to

> the ER and they used an endoscope to get them out. Then, if that

> wasn't enough, she got a Staph infection at the hospital at the

> injury site. There have been some scary moments over the last 48

> house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the woods.

>

> You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a

> prime example. She managed to run away from school a couple of

years

> ago, under the noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping

> her safe.

>

> I'm sorry, but this IS a life and death struggle for some of us,

not

> just a matter of accepting our children as " different " . It's hard

to

> be pragmatic when your child's life literally hangs in the balance

> every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb by a vaccine that

> destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain. We

are

> not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and

> steadfast, intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.

>

>

>

> Your beliefs become your thoughts.

> Your thoughts become your words.

> Your words become your actions.

> Your actions become your habits.

> Your habits become your values.

> Your values become your destiny. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

I'm not sure what I believe about what has caused my daughter to have Autism

like symptoms (she's not officially diagnosed yet)

Being my second child, I wasn't so great at filling out her baby book as I

could have been. I did share all her accomplishments in my mom's group and

plan on going back and trying to pull all the data I can to add to her book,

but what can I say, I was a slacker! LOL

But that said, my mom and I have gone over and over when we noticed changes

in the healthy and happy baby that I had. My mom has it stuck in her mind

that my daughters illnesses and seizures all started after she got sick with

the rotovirus at 6mo. old and had two shots of rocephrin (sp?)

I pointed out that it also was just after her vaccinations, but I didn't

really associate any of that together at the time.

She also was still developing normally as much as we could tell at that

time, at 9mo. she was doing a lot of things that many kids don't do till

they are closer to one. She had a few seizure episodes and then she lost

some skills and wasn't doing age appropriate things anymore. With some

therapy that all came back and then they were working on keeping her ahead

so that if she did have more regression with seizures that she'd not go too

far back, in theory of course.

She still stopped progressing at a normal rate, I won't say she doesn't have

progress now, it's just very small amounts and is is quite delayed for her

age.

But she has had a flu shot every year (also had one (not two as

recommended) not long after she was 6mo. old)

So has my older daughter who is NT... We've always gotten them because we

were under the impression that it was safe and for her the flu is a very

serious thing considering any type of fever she has causes her to have

seizures and with really high fevers such as the flu she had in March, she

ends up with very prolonged seizures (talking hours) and in the hospital for

at least several days....

I'd hate to think that the shot she's been getting for several years to try

and prevent the hospital stays, are actually causing or adding to the

Autism....

That's really puts me in a tough position if that is the case, because to

not give her the flu shot definately opens her up to getting the flu each

season and thus a very dangerous situation for her. But giving her the shot

could make other things worse???

We went back and forth on some other vaccinations before, but in the end

opt'd to do them because of the risk with her seizures and if she should

actually get any of those diseases her risk is much worse than a typical

person....

Definately something to think about for the coming flu season I guess...

Theresa

's mom

>

> aluminum in the flu shot

>

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Hi

 

I have 2 older NT kids then an Aspie son and another NT daughter. I am also mum

to my sisters daughter ( she was taken by the state at 6 weeks and placed with

us ) who has moderate classic Autism. I think personally its more about a

genetic link than needles. I also believe my brother and father are on the

spectrum.

 

Good luck with your new little lady. We pray everything is great and she is a

blessing to your whole family.

 

Subject: Re: I know I am going to get heat for this one...

To: Autism_in_Girls

Received: Saturday, 12 July, 2008, 1:06 AM

I don't think vaccines totally caused 's autism, but I think

they made it more severe. I just got my Rho Gam shot yesterday as I

am 26 weeks pregnant with another girl, and believe you me, I asked

for the package insert and read it thoroughly to certify no mercury

in it. For sure, the shot I had with natalie had it in there,

because it said it on the label, and me, being ignorant, took it

anyway! I will not vaccinate this baby right away, probably not till

she is a year, then split them up.

Comparing autism to cancer: at least with cancer you know what you

are fighting!!!!

My hope is that if this baby has autism, she will be milder, because

I don't know if I have the strength to handle this again. I wanted

to take the chance for another child so someone could take care of

when we are gone and she can have a companion.

THe fact that some of you have NT kids gives me SOME hope.

>

> > Give me a friggin break!

>

> I'm right there with you, Debi. I just spent the last 4 days at

the

> hospital. got into her teacher's desk at summer school and

> swallowed 6 push pins. Fortunately she didn't choke, but two of

the

> pins pierced her esophagus and became lodged in it. She was rushed

to

> the ER and they used an endoscope to get them out. Then, if that

> wasn't enough, she got a Staph infection at the hospital at the

> injury site. There have been some scary moments over the last 48

> house, where I almost lost her, but she is finally out of the woods.

>

> You cannot take your eyes of of for a moment, and this is a

> prime example. She managed to run away from school a couple of

years

> ago, under the noses of FOUR aides who were supposed to be keeping

> her safe.

>

> I'm sorry, but this IS a life and death struggle for some of us,

not

> just a matter of accepting our children as " different " . It's hard

to

> be pragmatic when your child's life literally hangs in the balance

> every day. My daughter was poisoned in the womb by a vaccine that

> destroyed her entire metabolic system and damaged her brain. We

are

> not " crazed " moms that are " pitied " . We are passionate and

> steadfast, intelligent and resourceful warriors for our children.

>

>

>

> Your beliefs become your thoughts.

> Your thoughts become your words.

> Your words become your actions.

> Your actions become your habits.

> Your habits become your values.

> Your values become your destiny. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with both of you. My daughter followed a normal vaccination

pattern throughout her toddler and preschool years. When she received

her vaccinations, as a diligent parent I watched her carefully for any

kind of side effects and did not notice any. She was diagnosed when

she was 5 1/2. When I told my best friend about my daughter's

diagnosis, her FIRST statement to me was that I should get an attorney

and look into filing against the vaccine makers, because obviously the

shots had caused her autism. It was an immediate, shotgun response on

her part--your child had vaccines, she has autism, it's somebody's

fault! And that was my first exposure to the rabidly anti-vaccine

crowd.

There are plenty of people out there who oppose vaccines who are

reasonable about it, and I respect their opinion. Unfortunately, there

is a certain sub-group that absolutely will not listen to anybody but

themselves, and they make the rest look bad.