Re: carbs, fats and exercise, was Raw Milk/Colds -

[Guest guest]

>I think that a total avoidance of carbs may not only lead to

>gustative insatisfaction or frustration, but also to a faulty proteic

>assimilation. In my opinion, the best approach is to follow the

>middle way.

>

>Regards,

>

>José

>

>

If one consumes any plant foods, then one gets carbs. However, the

biochemistry involved with carbs vs. fat is very important in this

discussion. I highly recommend the following articles on mercola.com

about insulin, leptin, etc. This Dr. Rosedale is spot on imo.

http://www.mercola.com/2005/jun/9/fatburn.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm - this article is very

thorough about our need for carbs (or lack thereof)

I eat lots of low starch veg, a bit of fruit and no grains. I eat

carrots and winter squashes too. The big concentrations carbs I get are

in beans and wine. Currently I run 15-20 miles a week, so I can tell

you my glycogen stores are nonexistent. However, I have loads of energy

and it is a constant thing. Here is a sample of what I will eat in a

given day, today as a matter of fact this is the menu:

breakfast

omlette prepared in butter with onions, peppers, and collard greens

topped with fermented salsa

coffee with almond milk

water

lunch

big salad with meat/fish and mixed vegetables and high fat creamy dressing

1/4 cantelope

water

snack

celery with cream cheese and caviar or nut butter

dinner

chicken marsala

small salad

cream of vegetable soup

water

wine

As you can see, I eat little in the way of carbs and calories

presently. If my mileage increases much, I will probably consume beans

at the evening meals more frequently, and perhaps add rice or corn. But

over the last 1.5 years I have eaten low to moderate carb WAPF diet and

have been able to sustain whatever exercise levels I can manage to

present to my body (if I am disciplined). It is so much of a better

feeling way to eat than my prior high grained vegan diet. If I eat

gluten now, I become a zombie. I have experimented enough with this to

see what happens when I add gluten back. One piece of French bread will

knock me out the next day and make workouts impossible. And here is my

exercise schedule that can be supported by such a diet by a 40 year old:

Sunday - 5 mile jog/walk, fun swim

Monday - strength training upper body, yoga, archery

Tuesday - 3-4 mile run

Wed - 3-4 mile run (or ski machine), yoga or swim

Thus - 3-4 mile run

Friday - strength train, archery

Saturday - 3-5 mile run, 1 mile lake swim, yoga

I should have a day off in here somewhere. Mondays are very light days

for me. I don't train lower body while I am getting back into running,

or my knees will scream at me. :-D

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Deanna:

I am amazed, especially at your exercise routine. May I ask you what

you do for a living? Are you a professional athlete?

Your diet sounds good. It is low-carb, of course, but not non-carb.

I expect you to be a very slim person.

However, I personally take issue with your breakfast: oh, I guess I

wouldn't able to eat onions, peppers and greens just after I rise in

the morning. Oh, that taste! Actually I am satisfied with a very

simple breakfast, not more than two kinds of food, plus black coffee.

Sometimes, only the black coffee.

That is to say I can only eat more complex meals at lunch or dinner.

My snacks, if any, are only fruit. It looks weird for me to be

snacking on vegetables moreover with caviare. Isn't this expensive by

the way? Indeed, you seem to be eating a lot of vegetables. Every

meal you have includes vegetables. No criticism. Just observation.

Anyway, good that you don't juice them.

And you are not the first person I hear who says that eating a small

portion of bread (gluten) makes them sort of spaced out. Is it

because you have gluten intolerance?

I wonder how many people on this list suffer from the same symptoms

when they eat gluten. I for one seem to be all right with a little

bread now and then. Maybe I am too spoilt (or civilized) to let it go

now.

José

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> >

Here is a sample of what I will eat in a

> given day, today as a matter of fact this is the menu:

>

> breakfast

> omlette prepared in butter with onions, peppers, and collard greens

> topped with fermented salsa

> coffee with almond milk

> water

>

> lunch

> big salad with meat/fish and mixed vegetables and high fat creamy

dressing

> 1/4 cantelope

> water

>

> snack

> celery with cream cheese and caviar or nut butter

>

> dinner

> chicken marsala

> small salad

> cream of vegetable soup

> water

> wine

>

If I eat

> gluten now, I become a zombie. I have experimented enough with

this to

> see what happens when I add gluten back. One piece of French bread

will

> knock me out the next day and make workouts impossible. And here

is my

> exercise schedule that can be supported by such a diet by a 40 year

old:

>

> Sunday - 5 mile jog/walk, fun swim

> Monday - strength training upper body, yoga, archery

> Tuesday - 3-4 mile run

> Wed - 3-4 mile run (or ski machine), yoga or swim

> Thus - 3-4 mile run

> Friday - strength train, archery

> Saturday - 3-5 mile run, 1 mile lake swim, yoga

>

> I should have a day off in here somewhere. Mondays are very light

days

> for me. I don't train lower body while I am getting back into

running,

> or my knees will scream at me. :-D

>

> Deanna

>

>

>