B6/pyroluria - Suze (was diet for obesity)

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> Maybe I'm already getting too much then! LOL. I have good dream

recall and

> often have disturbing dreams. Mostly, though, I think it's cuz I

eat too

> late. Which almost always results in vivid disturbing dreams.

>

>

> Thanks Katy, your posts are always very helpful and informative.

>

> Suze Fisher

If you're self-diagnosing pyroluria, I'm told that the

distinguishing characteristic of pyroluria is the inablilty to

tolerate omega-3's along with a chronic B6/zinc deficiency. If you

can take a bunch of cod liver oil (even high vitamin) and it doesn't

exacerbate B6/zinc deficiency symptoms, then it's very unlikely that

you have pyroluria. So the self-test is to take increasing amounts

of B6 until dream recall (but not disturbing dreams) and wee if that

helps symptoms; then take a bunch of n3 and see if that makes things

worse.

There are a couple of other " things " like pyroluria that seem to

affect some people with stubborn mood disorders and he describes

them in his book. They are discussed in

Depression-Free, Naturally

by Joan Larson, and

Nutrition and Mental Illness : An Orthomolecular Approach to

Balancing Body Chemistry

by Carl Pfeiffer

Dr. Pfeiffer found that 90% of his patients admitted for depression

fit one of the following catagories:

1. Overmethylated

2. Undermethylated

3. Hypercupremic

4. Pyrrole Disorder (pyroluria)

5. Toxic Metal Overload

I think there's also a high histamine one in there, too. Many of

these conditions have similar and sometimes identical symptoms. As

I mentioned before, pyroluria is easy to distinguish from the others

because of the inability to tolerate fish oils and flax oil.

Katy

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>If you're self-diagnosing pyroluria, I'm told that the

>distinguishing characteristic of pyroluria is the inablilty to

>tolerate omega-3's along with a chronic B6/zinc deficiency. If you

>can take a bunch of cod liver oil (even high vitamin) and it doesn't

>exacerbate B6/zinc deficiency symptoms, then it's very unlikely that

>you have pyroluria. So the self-test is to take increasing amounts

>of B6 until dream recall (but not disturbing dreams) and wee if that

>helps symptoms; then take a bunch of n3 and see if that makes things

>worse.

Wow...I did not know that. Thanks - I will test it out. I HAVE taken very

high amounts of high vitamin CLO over the past year or so - 2 Tbsp./day at

most. I don't know how much omega 3 that translates to though, and I've

never tested whether it affects my dream recall. Do you know if it makes any

difference if I take N3 in the form of high vit CLO, or would the high

levels of vits. A and D affect the results? I'm loathe to go out and buy

fish oil, 'specially now when I'm spending so much time in the sun!

Also, I almost always recall my last dreams before I wake up. When these

authors discuss dream recall, do they mean more than that? Like recalling

many of the dreams you had throughout the night?

>

>There are a couple of other " things " like pyroluria that seem to

>affect some people with stubborn mood disorders and he describes

>them in his book. They are discussed in

>

>Depression-Free, Naturally

>by Joan Larson, and

>

>Nutrition and Mental Illness : An Orthomolecular Approach to

>Balancing Body Chemistry

>by Carl Pfeiffer

>I think there's also a high histamine one in there, too. Many of

>these conditions have similar and sometimes identical symptoms. As

>I mentioned before, pyroluria is easy to distinguish from the others

>because of the inability to tolerate fish oils and flax oil.

Looks like I've got a little investigating to do. I think I'll go ahead and

order the Larson book. And maybe the Pfeiffer one as well. Thanks again

Katy, you've been most helpful!

Suze Fisher

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> Wow...I did not know that. Thanks - I will test it out. I HAVE

taken very

> high amounts of high vitamin CLO over the past year or so - 2

Tbsp./day at

> most. I don't know how much omega 3 that translates to though,

Enough to cause problems if you have pyroluria.

> and I've

> never tested whether it affects my dream recall.

For me, it gives me insomnia, makes me irritable, and causes lots of

inflammation. Because of the insomnia, I don't know if it really

affects dream recall. A small minority report that cod liver oil

makes them sleepy. If you look at the symptom list for pyroluria

and taking anything with n3 (high n3 chicken eggs will do it for me)

brings out any of those symptoms, then pryoluria is a good bet.

I had to do it several times before I was able to make the

connection. It takes several days of taking more than a tsp of Blue

Ice to start the insomnia, irritablilty, and inflammation. Then

once it starts, then any little thing with n3 will make it worse. I

have to stop eggs until the n3 gets worked out of my system. I

think I may have been mistaking that for an egg allergy.

> Do you know if it makes any

> difference if I take N3 in the form of high vit CLO, or would the

high

> levels of vits. A and D affect the results? I'm loathe to go out

and buy

> fish oil, 'specially now when I'm spending so much time in the sun!

With me, the source doesn't really matter.

> Also, I almost always recall my last dreams before I wake up. When

these

> authors discuss dream recall, do they mean more than that? Like

recalling

> many of the dreams you had throughout the night?

If you can recall your last dream, you're fine (b6-wise). No dream

recall is when you have no recollection of having any dream

whatsoever. Sometimes I'll know that I had a dream, but not be able

to remember what it's about. But that's still dream recall. But,

when I'm doing my best sleeping, I do remember details of my dreams,

at least for a few minutes after I wake.

> Looks like I've got a little investigating to do. I think I'll go

ahead and

> order the Larson book. And maybe the Pfeiffer one as well. Thanks

again

Joan Larson read Pfeiffer's work and used it to develop the methods

used in her clinic, and improved on his work. She doesn't burden

the reader with too many scientific details. She's like Ross

in that she has developed a method for figuring out what the type of

depression/mood disorder is, and a solution that works for her

patients.

Katy

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wrote:

>>

> If you're self-diagnosing pyroluria, I'm told that the

> distinguishing characteristic of pyroluria is the inablilty to

> tolerate omega-3's along with a chronic B6/zinc deficiency. If you

> can take a bunch of cod liver oil (even high vitamin) and it

doesn't

> exacerbate B6/zinc deficiency symptoms, then it's very unlikely

that

> you have pyroluria. So the self-test is to take increasing amounts

> of B6 until dream recall (but not disturbing dreams) and wee if

that

> helps symptoms; then take a bunch of n3 and see if that makes

things

> worse.

>

Hi Katy

Do you know what would the symptoms of Omega 3 intolerance would be?

I take a high dose capsule every night, but couldn't tell you whether

this is improving anything or making things worse! It seems to me

the positive effect of fish oil supplementation take months to be

noticeable.

Thanks

Jo

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> Hi Katy

>

> Do you know what would the symptoms of Omega 3 intolerance would

be?

> I take a high dose capsule every night, but couldn't tell you

whether

> this is improving anything or making things worse! It seems to me

> the positive effect of fish oil supplementation take months to be

> noticeable.

>

> Thanks

>

> Jo

For me, when I've been taking lots of clo, after about a week, I'll

notice that I've started getting lots of acne (the cystic type),

I'll feel a lot more anxiety, I'll have an insomnia flare-up, and

sometimes my gums will swell in places, and I'll have some

muscle/joint aches. When I back my dose off, these symptoms will

subside after a week or two. I do notice good effects from the clo

at the same time, probably from the A and D.

It took me a few cycles of taking clo for a few weeks and quitting

for a few weeks to conclusively prove to myself that there was a

link between the clo and the increased inflammation, anxiety, and

insomnia.

Katy