Re: Re: Raw milk fans oppose new California dairy standards

[Guest guest]

When taking samples for testing, I've been told you should milk directly

into the sample container rather than pulling samples from a bulk tank or

random bottle. Supposedly it keeps the counts lower. Is that how you do

it? I'll take a look at your web site as well.

Thanks!

Tammy K.

Proverbs Farm

Alvin TX

debbie_at_rainhaven wrote:

> I don't know what other Grade A retail raw dairies in Washington state

> have

> had for their counts, but my bottled milk has been sampled almost every

> month since I got my Grade A retail raw license August 12, 2005, and

> most of the time there was NO coliform count at all found, and otherwise a

> a high of 2, with one time a count of 10; my total bacteria counts have

> all

> been under 2,000 and usually under 1,000 with this year frequently being

> under 250. Anyone looking at my process can see it is very simple and

> uncomplicated.

> http://www.rainhaven.com/dairy.html

[Guest guest]

For me I can't do that for testing. My inspector comes and takes a bottle of milk just as it

would be sold. So it is in a bottle and labeled and ready to go. Debbie gets low counts

because she is hand milking I believe. I machine milk and it is a bit harder to get counts

as low as 1 or 2 on a consistent basis. My counts are always below 10 but I have to use bleach

on everything. I am sure it would be a lot harder for a large operation to do this as well. Not

imposable but much harder.

Chris

When taking samples for testing, I've been told you should milk directlyinto the sample container rather than pulling samples from a bulk tank orrandom bottle. Supposedly it keeps the counts lower. Is that how you doit? I'll take a look at your web site as well.Thanks!Tammy K.Proverbs FarmAlvin TX

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[Guest guest]

Texas Raw for retail is 10 coliforms, dont know what

the big deal is all about. You would think that

producers and consumers would want it as low as

posible. Seems as the dairys get larger quality

control is harder to manage.

--- debbie_at_rainhaven

wrote:

> I don't know what other Grade A retail raw dairies

> in Washington state have

> had for their counts, but my bottled milk has been

> sampled almost every

> month since I got my Grade A retail raw license

> August 12, 2005, and

> most of the time there was NO coliform count at all

> found, and otherwise a

> a high of 2, with one time a count of 10; my total

> bacteria counts have all

> been under 2,000 and usually under 1,000 with this

> year frequently being

> under 250. Anyone looking at my process can see it

> is very simple and

> uncomplicated.

> http://www.rainhaven.com/dairy.html

>

> I wish this energy could have been put to asking

> California lawmakers to

> allow hand filling and hand capping of milk

> containers, so that there could

> be DOZENS of Grade A retail raw dairies in

> California (and in ALL

> states).... let's get some GOAT dairies licensed

> down in CA!!

>

> Debbie Higgins

> Rainhaven Grade A Raw Goat Microdairy

> Duvall, WA

> http://www.rainhaven.com/

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Raw milk consumers oppose new dairy standards set

> to take effect next

> > month in California that they say could outlaw

> some of their preferred

> > products.

> > The new law doesn't create an outright ban on raw

> milk, but producers

> > believe it could dry up supplies by setting new

> bacteria limits they say

> > are difficult to meet.

> (snip)

> > State officials, on the other hand, say producers

> should be able to meet

> > the standards, which they maintain are necessary

> for consumer safety.

> > The new standard, part of AB1735, takes effect in

> January, setting a

> > limit of no more than 10 coliforms per milliliter.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Bob,

If your equipment is clean and in good repair why

would there be a big spike in Coliform? If your

getting a rise in Coliform from Bulk tank to Bottle

there must be something causing this rise, so why

can't it be addressed? When we were a large herd

milking 1300 cows we were rarly over 20 and most of

the time under 10. Are there other states that require

less then 10 in the bottle for raw retail?

--- Bob Hayles wrote:

> If I am not mistaken, Texas raw for retail 10

> coliforms standard is

> based on sampling at the bulk tank, not at the

> bottle as the new Calif

> standard demands.

>

> Coliforms increase, sometimes exponentially, with

> time and handling,

> as in the bottling process. Milk that would meet

> the 10 coliform

> standard if applied at the bulk tank, as in Texas,

> would often fail

> miserably under the new California standard.

>

> Bob Hayles

> Thornberry Village Homestead

> Jasper, GA

>

>

> -- In RawDairy , Albert Pereira

> wrote:

> >

> > Texas Raw for retail is 10 coliforms, dont know

> what

> > the big deal is all about. You would think that

> > producers and consumers would want it as low as

> > posible. Seems as the dairys get larger quality

> > control is harder to manage.

> >

> >

> > --- debbie_at_rainhaven

> > wrote:

> >

> > > I don't know what other Grade A retail raw

> dairies

> > > in Washington state have

> > > had for their counts, but my bottled milk has

> been

> > > sampled almost every

> > > month since I got my Grade A retail raw license

> > > August 12, 2005, and

> > > most of the time there was NO coliform count at

> all

> > > found, and otherwise a

> > > a high of 2, with one time a count of 10; my

> total

> > > bacteria counts have all

> > > been under 2,000 and usually under 1,000 with

> this

> > > year frequently being

> > > under 250. Anyone looking at my process can see

> it

> > > is very simple and

> > > uncomplicated.

> > > http://www.rainhaven.com/dairy.html

> > >

> > > I wish this energy could have been put to asking

> > > California lawmakers to

> > > allow hand filling and hand capping of milk

> > > containers, so that there could

> > > be DOZENS of Grade A retail raw dairies in

> > > California (and in ALL

> > > states).... let's get some GOAT dairies licensed

> > > down in CA!!

> > >

> > > Debbie Higgins

> > > Rainhaven Grade A Raw Goat Microdairy

> > > Duvall, WA

> > > http://www.rainhaven.com/

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Raw milk consumers oppose new dairy standards

> set

> > > to take effect next

> > > > month in California that they say could outlaw

> > > some of their preferred

> > > > products.

> > > > The new law doesn't create an outright ban on

> raw

> > > milk, but producers

> > > > believe it could dry up supplies by setting

> new

> > > bacteria limits they say

> > > > are difficult to meet.

> > > (snip)

> > > > State officials, on the other hand, say

> producers

> > > should be able to meet

> > > > the standards, which they maintain are

> necessary

> > > for consumer safety.

> > > > The new standard, part of AB1735, takes effect

> in

> > > January, setting a

> > > > limit of no more than 10 coliforms per

> milliliter.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

In WA state it is Less than 10. At the bottle. I've been told the state

inspectors don't even have to get the sample bottle from the farm. They can

go buy it at any store where sold. The only regulation is that the milk not

be past the 'sell/use by date' on the bottle. In my case that could be from

any one of 6 current retail outlets.

We not only milk by machine but on a pipeline as well. Our counts remain

low. Although I have no idea what they have been since this past summer as

the state now refuses to provide producers with those results unless

demanded via the Freedom of Information Act.

Jessi

Lucky Hook Dairy

LHR Manufacturing

Setting The Standard for Portable Milking Machines

http://www.milking-machines.com

Re: Re: Raw milk fans oppose new California dairy

standards

Bob,

If your equipment is clean and in good repair why

would there be a big spike in Coliform? If your

getting a rise in Coliform from Bulk tank to Bottle

there must be something causing this rise, so why

can't it be addressed? When we were a large herd

milking 1300 cows we were rarly over 20 and most of

the time under 10. Are there other states that require

less then 10 in the bottle for raw retail?

--- Bob Hayles wrote:

> If I am not mistaken, Texas raw for retail 10

> coliforms standard is

> based on sampling at the bulk tank, not at the

> bottle as the new Calif

> standard demands.

>

> Coliforms increase, sometimes exponentially, with

> time and handling,

> as in the bottling process. Milk that would meet

> the 10 coliform

> standard if applied at the bulk tank, as in Texas,

> would often fail

> miserably under the new California standard.

>

> Bob Hayles

> Thornberry Village Homestead

> Jasper, GA

>

>

> -- In RawDairy , Albert Pereira

> wrote:

> >

> > Texas Raw for retail is 10 coliforms, dont know

> what

> > the big deal is all about. You would think that

> > producers and consumers would want it as low as

> > posible. Seems as the dairys get larger quality

> > control is harder to manage.

> >

> >

> > --- debbie_at_rainhaven

> > wrote:

> >

> > > I don't know what other Grade A retail raw

> dairies

> > > in Washington state have

> > > had for their counts, but my bottled milk has

> been

> > > sampled almost every

> > > month since I got my Grade A retail raw license

> > > August 12, 2005, and

> > > most of the time there was NO coliform count at

> all

> > > found, and otherwise a

> > > a high of 2, with one time a count of 10; my

> total

> > > bacteria counts have all

> > > been under 2,000 and usually under 1,000 with

> this

> > > year frequently being

> > > under 250. Anyone looking at my process can see

> it

> > > is very simple and

> > > uncomplicated.

> > > http://www.rainhaven.com/dairy.html

> > >

> > > I wish this energy could have been put to asking

> > > California lawmakers to

> > > allow hand filling and hand capping of milk

> > > containers, so that there could

> > > be DOZENS of Grade A retail raw dairies in

> > > California (and in ALL

> > > states).... let's get some GOAT dairies licensed

> > > down in CA!!

> > >

> > > Debbie Higgins

> > > Rainhaven Grade A Raw Goat Microdairy

> > > Duvall, WA

> > > http://www.rainhaven.com/

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Raw milk consumers oppose new dairy standards

> set

> > > to take effect next

> > > > month in California that they say could outlaw

> > > some of their preferred

> > > > products.

> > > > The new law doesn't create an outright ban on

> raw

> > > milk, but producers

> > > > believe it could dry up supplies by setting

> new

> > > bacteria limits they say

> > > > are difficult to meet.

> > > (snip)

> > > > State officials, on the other hand, say

> producers

> > > should be able to meet

> > > > the standards, which they maintain are

> necessary

> > > for consumer safety.

> > > > The new standard, part of AB1735, takes effect

> in

> > > January, setting a

> > > > limit of no more than 10 coliforms per

> milliliter.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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