Re: carbs, insulin, and alzheimers

[Guest guest]

>I was previously unaware of the link between high-carb diets, insulin

> resistance, and alzheimers until I ran into these abstracts posted

> below.

>

I've seen this E4 link to Alzheimer's in Genetic Nutritioneering by

Bland from the Human Genome Project. Interesting, they're now seeing this

rare in the agriculturally adapted,who can eat a higher carb diet and

metabolically handle it better. Bland does look at toxins produced by molds

and fungis, found on sugar and grains mostly that poison mitochodria and

brain aptopsis like infective diabetes theory. Looks like another SAD

induced disease that shows who the hunter gatherers are in the population.

Worked for a lady with Alzheimer's who was getting carb filled Meals on

Wheels because of her AD progression. The cans of fatty fish in her

cupboards told me what she liked to eat.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

> I've seen this E4 link to Alzheimer's in Genetic Nutritioneering

by

> Bland from the Human Genome Project. Interesting, they're now

seeing this

> rare in the agriculturally adapted,who can eat a higher carb diet

and

> metabolically handle it better.

Who do they say are " agriculturally adapted " ?

> Bland does look at toxins produced by molds

> and fungis, found on sugar and grains mostly that poison

mitochodria and

> brain aptopsis like infective diabetes theory.

I've heard of Kaufmann's book " Infectious Diabetes " . Is that the

same thing?

> Looks like another SAD

> induced disease that shows who the hunter gatherers are in the

population.

> Worked for a lady with Alzheimer's who was getting carb filled

Meals on

> Wheels because of her AD progression. The cans of fatty fish in her

> cupboards told me what she liked to eat.

>

> Wanita

I have seen 2 articles from New Zealand that said that vegetable oil

(I'm sure they mean industrially processed vegetable oil--IPVO) was

the

root cause of AD.

From reading those abtracts, it makes me wonder if a person who uses

IPVO shouldn't eat refined starch/sugar.

And if they are going to eat refined starch, they shouldn't use

IPVO. They should use real butter and other natural fats and oils.

I'm wondering if the folks on the Middle East (where wheat

cultivation originated) aren't able to get away with eating it

because they traditionally don't eat IPVO, and they do traditionally

eat plenty of kefir and yogurt. And they get lots of sun...sort

of...within limits, I guess. And vitamin D is antifungal and

anticancer.

I'm not convinced that genetics are the be-all and end-all of these

situations. I think it's more that the genes get expressed in

different ways based on the diet and environment. And whether you

have compensating factors in the mix.

Saying we are destined to express some certain disease simply because

someone says we have (or don't have) some certain gene bothers me. I

doubt that we can say with 100% certainty that a person with " the

gene for breast cancer " will always get it.

From what I can tell, lots of the women who are now being diagnosed

with breast cancer do *not* have it in their family line. Same thing

with heart disease. The increased incidence of it cannot be solely

based on genetics...there hasn't been enough time passed to say that

all the descendants of heart attack victims have also experienced

heart attacks.

I (and most of us on this list?) believe that our diet and reliance

on factory food has done more to damage our health--along with

vaccinations and other environmental poisons--than you could ever

attribute to genetics.

I think that a lot of things that are attributed to genetics are

simply coming into play because families tend to eat the same food.

OK. Coming down off my soapbox. Thank you for your kind attention

and indulgence.

:-)

[Guest guest]

,

> Who do they say are " agriculturally adapted " ?

People that don't have the E4 allele to Alzheimer's, from study.

" Meta-analysis of

allele frequencies has found that E4 is rare in populations with long

historical exposure to agriculture, suggesting that consumption of a

high carbohydrate (HC) diet may have selected against E4 carriers. "

> I've heard of Kaufmann's book " Infectious Diabetes " . Is that the

> same thing?

Yes

> I have seen 2 articles from New Zealand that said that vegetable oil

> (I'm sure they mean industrially processed vegetable oil--IPVO) was

> the

> root cause of AD.

Man who wrote this article

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/DiabetesDeception.html

cured his diabetes getting rid of IPVO and balancing omega 3's and 6's.

> From reading those abtracts, it makes me wonder if a person who uses

> IPVO shouldn't eat refined starch/sugar.

IPVO and refined sugar/starch isn't good for anyone. More likely to cause

the most health issues in the populations and individuals with the least

agriculture in their ancestry. New Zealand is likely facing the same health

degeneration with the Maori Australia is with Aborigines, U.S. Native

Americans and Northern European immigrant ancestries. It's worse than jam

and bread WAP found.

>

> And if they are going to eat refined starch, they shouldn't use

> IPVO. They should use real butter and other natural fats and oils.

Unfortunately, those most at risk, not fitting SAD diet around the world,

can be those with the least resources to do differently.

> I'm not convinced that genetics are the be-all and end-all of these

> situations. I think it's more that the genes get expressed in

> different ways based on the diet and environment. And whether you

> have compensating factors in the mix.

> Saying we are destined to express some certain disease simply because

> someone says we have (or don't have) some certain gene bothers me. I

> doubt that we can say with 100% certainty that a person with " the

> gene for breast cancer " will always get it.

Don't think they will if they know how to take care of themself correctly.

Bland in Genetic Nutritioneering says 70% of our genes can change

expression. They're looking at diet to genes. Think he's off base

considering soy at all, newer to this country's population than grains and

dairy. It's known that 30-50% of people will be adversely affected by any

pharmaceutical so the research will likely go where the money is to make

more individual friendly pharmaceuticals rather than to finding foods

appropriate to genes to prevent disease.

> I (and most of us on this list?) believe that our diet and reliance

> on factory food has done more to damage our health--along with

> vaccinations and other environmental poisons--than you could ever

> attribute to genetics.

High carb diet is seen as selecting against the E4 allele and is expressed

as Alzheimer's.

See I do agree like you that life choices and exposures are more important

than genetics.

Hey, they're getting beyond blame it on the genes and actually seeing

something other

than SAD or low fat. That high carb isn't good for everyone.

> I think that a lot of things that are attributed to genetics are

> simply coming into play because families tend to eat the same food.

Not everyone in a family can be healthy on the same diet. Some thrive,some

limp along, others wither.

>OK. Coming down off my soapbox. Thank you for your kind attention

and indulgence

Hope this helped some.

Wanita