Re: Re: Tongue scrapers and taste

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>BTW what do you call success? Did you end up with a load of goo on

>the scraper? That's success. Scrape about 20 times, but not where your

>tongue is pink.

Well, some white junk came off, but I would've called getting rid of the

strange tattery stuff towards the back of my tongue success.

>I'm curious about the thick and tattery description. While

>(surprisingly) I've never seen one live, candida shows up as

>white--and blackish, too--hairy, " threads " on the back of the tongue.

>Giardiasis OTOH appears as tiny cauliflower-like florets on the back

>of the tongue with optional spots of " shaved " papillae.

Huh, that latter description sounds alarmingly like me. Any pictorial

references you can point me to? Or shall I email you a picture of the back

of my tongue? <g>

I guess it's a good thing I have that bottle of Liver/Gallbladder/Parasite

tincture coming tomorrow... It'll be interesting to see whether my tongue

changes once I start using it. I guess I could try augmenting it with

grapefruit seed extract and Indian long pepper, which you already

recommended...

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>I can look for a pic but I'm not optimistic about locating one. Feel

>free to send me one (or post to the files!)Do you have the shaved

>papillae, too?

I don't have the foggiest idea what shaved papillae would look like, so

your guess is as good as mine.

I guess I'll take a picture tomorrow. That should be a funny experience.

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>little rings on the tongue. Sorta like, well, ringworm...yeah, that's it.

No, I don't think so, but I'll look more closely tomorrow while juggling

flashlight and camera.

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>We may have a hit!

Yeah, giardia would explain a lot, and obviously there was plenty of time

for me to get infected once my stomach acid production was demolished and

before I figured out what was going on and started taking supplements. For

that matter, I could've gotten infected afterwards. It would be helpful to

have laboratory confirmation, though...

>Most sites I've read so far claim it runs its course in 4-6 weeks but

>the people I met in this seminar had apparently been infected for

>years. I have since seen several tongues with the signs. It seems

>much more common than I ever would have guessed.

Any suggestions other than the usual (Schulze's formula, ia and the

like, Schmid's wormwood formula, grapefruit seed extract) for attacking

what might be a long-term chronic infection?

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>While cyber-stalking you on another subject, I read an account of a

>nine-day bout of food-poisoning? Since giardia infections run 7-10

>days, might that have been the insult?

Ah yes, fond memories of my 9 days of doom. That could definitely have

been it.

> " Giardia lamblia was first described in 1681 after Dutch microscopist

>Antonie van Leeuwenhoek observed the protozoan in one of his own

>diarrheic stools: '... wherein I have sometimes also seen animalcules

>a-moving very prettily ... albeit they made a quick motion with their

>paws, yet for all that they made but slow progress.' "

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>See anything like that? In the home laboratory?

No longer having a microscope, I'm afraid I won't be putting any poop on a

slide to look for paws a-moving. At least not any time soon. <g>

> From what I've read, the standard tests seem very sketchy, done in

>cycles and rife with false negatives. Also, four people I met in the

>seminar with it had all been pronounced cured by their doctors.

Really? Well, screw it then. I won't bother.

>Well, I'm liking the link I gave you earlier, but they say to go

>low-fat as it thrives on the bile salts in a high-fat diet,

Unfortunately that's pretty much impossible for me. I can't even imagine

the hell I'd go through trying to eat extremely low-fat -- and the

long-term damage I'd do myself.

> and

>recommend wheat germ--of all things--to agglutinate and otherwise mess

>up the little farkers. Maybe you could work with it somehow anyway?

Well... wormwood and grapefruit seed extract are both supposed to be pretty

wicked giardia killers, so I guess I'll just try to saturated my gut with

various farker farkers and otherwise eat as normal. Dunno what else to do.

>http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_2_8/ai_103194437

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>But I will certainly make some inquiries...

Thanks, and I'll read that article too.

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Hi all,

When I read this I just had to check out my own tongue. I don't

really ever remember it being really pink!

> While

> (surprisingly) I've never seen one live, candida shows up as

> white--and blackish, too--hairy, " threads " on the back of the tongue.

> Giardiasis OTOH appears as tiny cauliflower-like florets on the back

> of the tongue with optional spots of " shaved " papillae.

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> B.

I'm thinking I've got the giardiasis tongue. I've got

cauliflowerishness at the back and spots of pink that I've always

thought of as swollen taste buds but who knows. And the white stuff

that scraped off pretty easily with my finger nail has a definite

yellowish tinge to it. Not sure what significance that might have.

I'm a bit concerned about what's been talked about as the treatment in

here. I'm part of a group that recreates medieval eras. One of the

medieval ingredients that's on the banned list these days is wormwood

because it's an abortifacient. I've always assumed that would mean it

is a poison if taken in some large quantity. Makes sense that it

would kill the giardia protozoan but what other side effects might it

have?

Ghislaine

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>The article I submitted is very informative and doesn't use wormwood

>or other harsh tinctures.

>Did you rtfa? Did anybody?

Yeah, but it advocates a virtual elimination of fat from the diet (not

possible for me) and heavy use of wheat germ (also not possible for me). I

am using rhamnosus, though, and I'm about to experiment with arginine

(after a little glutamine).

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>Re: giardiasis, I don't know how to confirm your suspicion without

>coming up for potential criticism; I can't find any tongue diagnosis

>photos on the web and am thinking to make a page myself, heh, but I've

>got no skillz. That said, the giardia signs are very specific and

>can't be confused with anything else, problem is, you have no

>comparison.

Speaking of which, my tongue has changed dramatically. Before there was

this sort of tattery stuff that looked like dead skin, mainly along the

center and particularly towards the back. Now there are lots of what look

like inflamed whitish taste buds and towards the back several enormous

white growths that definitely look like cauliflower, though they're hard to

make out. This change has occurred in tandem with my consumption of

Schulze's tincture, FWIW.

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Now I know not to check these things until later in the day. While I

was brushing my teeth that morning I also used the brush on my tongue

since I have no tongue scraper. The yellow is all gone as is a lot of

the cauliflowerness. Maybe my tongue was just skanky and I need to

keep up on brushing my tongue. It's still got a lot of white along

with what I've always thought of as the swollen taste buds. They are

all along the sides so that my tongue has a kinda snake skin look to

it, but pink! *laughs*

I usually read from work, so I hadn't had a chance to RTFA, sorry.

I'll read the article and consider a week or two of just eating my

fave veggie soup with the chicken from making the stock from it.

*scratches head trying to figure out how to make the chicken tasty

without dribbling fatty goodness all over it*

Good to know about wormwood. And I need to look into enemas too. Thanks!

Ghislaine

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>There's no way you might consider eating low-fat for, like, two weeks

>to ease this up? Then bring the purge!

If I want to go completely crazy and lose control of what I eat, I could do

that. Otherwise, unfortunately, no. Fat is the only thing that keeps my

blood sugar stable.

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Searching google with anti giardia found these two

Association between Giardiasis and Allergy

http://allergy.edoc.com/1998_archives/pdf/sep_98/261.pdf

Treatment and Testing

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic215.htm

Wanita

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> Searching google with anti giardia found these two

> Association between Giardiasis and Allergy

> http://allergy.edoc.com/1998_archives/pdf/sep_98/261.pdf

Interesting. My allergies have actually gotten a lot better over, I don't

know, the last couple months, the mold fiasco notwithstanding. I find

myself using my nasal irrigator a lot less often. I don't think my

digestion appeared to improve any during that time, though...

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