Re: POLITICS - carbs, fats and exercise, was Raw Milk/Colds -

[Guest guest]

>Deanna:

>

>I am amazed, especially at your exercise routine. May I ask you what

>you do for a living? Are you a professional athlete?

>

>

José (forgive me if I was truncating your name before),

I taught fitness classes and trained people for most of my life.

Currently I write software, manage a house with a large garden, teach,

cook and play. I am not a professional athlete, but fitness has been a

big part of my life for most of it. It is probably more important to

health than nutrition. That said, a well-trained body will naturally

crave sound nutrition. But I am often amazed at folks wanting to

prevent diseases like osteoporosis; but without exercise, bones won't

grow very dense, even with tons of calcium in the diet. Same for heart

and lungs, these need to be used and progressively trained, or they will

deteriorate over time. We all do age, but we can be biologically very

different in nature to our age-based peers with finely fueled fitness.

>Your diet sounds good. It is low-carb, of course, but not non-carb.

>

>I expect you to be a very slim person.

>

>

No, I am curvy and muscular - petitely so, but with 10 lbs extra weight

to lose. My present exercise regime has only been performed for one

month. I am getting back into the swing, so to speak. There is nothing

quite like running for lung capacity, ime. I have always had a huge rib

cage for my size, and it is nice for the lungs to fill it in more with

deep breathing.

>However, I personally take issue with your breakfast: oh, I guess I

>wouldn't able to eat onions, peppers and greens just after I rise in

>the morning. Oh, that taste! Actually I am satisfied with a very

>simple breakfast, not more than two kinds of food, plus black coffee.

>Sometimes, only the black coffee.

>

>

I rise in the mornings most days and am out running by 6 am with 2 cups

of coffee with almond milk in my system. On non running days, I don't

eat much but some berries from the garden or fresh coconut for

breakfast. But post run, I eat what sounds good. And post run I have

been awake for at least 2 hours.

>That is to say I can only eat more complex meals at lunch or dinner.

>

>My snacks, if any, are only fruit. It looks weird for me to be

>snacking on vegetables moreover with caviare. Isn't this expensive by

>the way? Indeed, you seem to be eating a lot of vegetables. Every

>meal you have includes vegetables. No criticism. Just observation.

>Anyway, good that you don't juice them.

>

>

Well, José , this is just a sampling of today's foods. And I

might add that fruit off season may be " cheap " when cheap oil abounds,

but I would venture to say as fuel costs rise, eating such foods may

become more expensive than the nutrient dense fish eggs I eat today.

But you are in the tropics, correct? As such, fruit is a good choice,

as it is for me in the summer now in season. But the 2 teaspoons of

caviar I am eating is not much in cost at all, but since they aren't

local, they too rise as cheap oil ends across the globe (and any more

discussion of this nature will need to be tagged politics in the subject

bar). That is my main problem with exclusive raw foods diets, they are

not reasonable without transport of foods across hemispheres. And

having tried it myself, I can tell you it costs more to try and fill up

on fruits, veg and nuts than to eat local omnivorous fare.

I have a juicer, but I rarely juice anything. I grow some of my own

vegetables too. I try to increase it yearly. Again, I believe diet is

individual. My ancestors come from northern Europe and probably never

had much fruit or grain. Having experimented with my diet, I am happy

with what I eat now. I am in excellent health with no known problems.

>And you are not the first person I hear who says that eating a small

>portion of bread (gluten) makes them sort of spaced out. Is it

>because you have gluten intolerance?

>

>I wonder how many people on this list suffer from the same symptoms

>when they eat gluten. I for one seem to be all right with a little

>bread now and then. Maybe I am too spoilt (or civilized) to let it go

>now.

>

>José

>

My son is very gluten intolerant, and I believe all of my family is to

some extent. I am not tested, it is just easy to keep it out of my

life, because I feel better and it is easier than making gluten free for

my son and gluten for us.

Many people here have found gluten problematic. It may be that you are

addicted to the gluten. You could, if you wanted, try living without it

for one week. Then have some and see how you feel. Or perhaps you are

fine eating it. However, it is extremely difficult to grow wheat for

the masses without petroleum-based agriculture. As world oil supplies

decline over the coming years, it will not be the supposed panacea for

feeding our burgeoning populations as it is today. Local foods will

rule in the future and being inland, I will have to live without marine

foods and go for more Angus beef.

Regards,

Deanna

Texas Ambassadress, Organic Wine Company

http://www.theorganicwinecompany.com/

[Guest guest]

>

> José (forgive me if I was truncating your name before)

## Hi Deanna: Don't worry. Most people, even in my country, simply

call me José, but this is not the Spanish pronunciation, it is

Portuguese, so it is more similar to French (ph).

> I taught fitness classes and trained people for most of my life.

## I had taught as much.

> Currently I write software, manage a house with a large garden,

teach,

> cook and play. I am not a professional athlete, but fitness has

been a

> big part of my life for most of it. It is probably more important

to

> health than nutrition.

## I totally agree. Health is maybe a tripod: good food, exercise and

rest (sleep). The rest is your mind.

That said, a well-trained body will naturally

> crave sound nutrition. But I am often amazed at folks wanting to

> prevent diseases like osteoporosis; but without exercise, bones

won't

> grow very dense, even with tons of calcium in the diet. Same for

heart

> and lungs, these need to be used and progressively trained, or they

will

> deteriorate over time. We all do age, but we can be biologically

very

> different in nature to our age-based peers with finely fueled

fitness.

## What do you think about weight lifting?

> >Your diet sounds good. It is low-carb, of course, but not non-carb.

> >

> >I expect you to be a very slim person.

> >

> >

> No, I am curvy and muscular - petitely so, but with 10 lbs extra

weight

> to lose.

## Are you sure you want to lose this?

My present exercise regime has only been performed for one

> month. I am getting back into the swing, so to speak. There is

nothing

> quite like running for lung capacity, ime. I have always had a

huge rib

> cage for my size, and it is nice for the lungs to fill it in more

with

> deep breathing.

>

> >However, I personally take issue with your breakfast: oh, I guess

I

> >wouldn't able to eat onions, peppers and greens just after I rise

in

> >the morning. Oh, that taste! Actually I am satisfied with a very

> >simple breakfast, not more than two kinds of food, plus black

coffee.

> >Sometimes, only the black coffee.

> >

> >

> I rise in the mornings most days and am out running by 6 am with 2

cups

> of coffee with almond milk in my system.

## I was a good runner when I was a boy. Now I rarely run, except

when I have to get on a bus about to leave. I don't drive. But I do

walk a lot, really. I am a sort of pilgrim, you know. If I had to

run, I would do in the afternoon, anyway. Isn't it a shock for you to

jump from your bed and enter the running mode without a transition?

And I enjoy dancing. Even with my children. Don't you think that

dancing is missing in your schedule?

On non running days, I don't

> eat much but some berries from the garden or fresh coconut for

> breakfast. But post run, I eat what sounds good. And post run I

have

> been awake for at least 2 hours.

>

> >That is to say I can only eat more complex meals at lunch or

dinner.

> >

> >My snacks, if any, are only fruit. It looks weird for me to be

> >snacking on vegetables moreover with caviare. Isn't this expensive

by

> >the way? Indeed, you seem to be eating a lot of vegetables. Every

> >meal you have includes vegetables. No criticism. Just observation.

> >Anyway, good that you don't juice them.

> >

> >

> Well, José , this is just a sampling of today's foods. And I

> might add that fruit off season may be " cheap " when cheap oil

abounds,

> but I would venture to say as fuel costs rise, eating such foods

may

> become more expensive than the nutrient dense fish eggs I eat

today.

> But you are in the tropics, correct?

## We are just a little above the tropic. It is almost subtropical

here. Fruit is plentiful, but because of intense cultivation most of

it is tasteless. We have a few trees in the yard, however: guavas,

coconut, figs, acerola. Not a very large output, however.

As such, fruit is a good choice,

> as it is for me in the summer now in season. But the 2 teaspoons

of

> caviar I am eating is not much in cost at all, but since they

aren't

> local, they too rise as cheap oil ends across the globe (and any

more

> discussion of this nature will need to be tagged politics in the

subject

> bar). That is my main problem with exclusive raw foods diets, they

are

> not reasonable without transport of foods across hemispheres. And

> having tried it myself, I can tell you it costs more to try and

fill up

> on fruits, veg and nuts than to eat local omnivorous fare.

## I would never eat all raw. I don't believe in it. But of course a

part of our diet should be raw, in my opinion.

> I have a juicer, but I rarely juice anything. I grow some of my

own

> vegetables too. I try to increase it yearly. Again, I believe

diet is

> individual. My ancestors come from northern Europe and probably

never

> had much fruit or grain. Having experimented with my diet, I am

happy

> with what I eat now. I am in excellent health with no known

problems.

>

## I have mixed ancestors, including some Jewish ancestry. I wouldn't

be able to define the right food for me with such a complex heritage.

That is why I think it is better for me to eat somewhat of everything

edible (though I mostly skip dairy, except butter).

> >And you are not the first person I hear who says that eating a

small

> >portion of bread (gluten) makes them sort of spaced out. Is it

> >because you have gluten intolerance?

> >

> >I wonder how many people on this list suffer from the same

symptoms

> >when they eat gluten. I for one seem to be all right with a little

> >bread now and then. Maybe I am too spoilt (or civilized) to let it

go

> >now.

> >

> >José

> >

> My son is very gluten intolerant, and I believe all of my family is

to

> some extent. I am not tested, it is just easy to keep it out of my

> life, because I feel better and it is easier than making gluten

free for

> my son and gluten for us.

>

> Many people here have found gluten problematic. It may be that you

are

> addicted to the gluten.

## I wouldn't say addicted (but who knows?), because I can go days

without it, but I won't deny that I would be unhappy if I was told to

never touch pasta or bread again. In any case, when I eat wheat, it

is very little, really.

You could, if you wanted, try living without it

> for one week. Then have some and see how you feel. Or perhaps you

are

> fine eating it. However, it is extremely difficult to grow wheat

for

> the masses without petroleum-based agriculture. As world oil

supplies

> decline over the coming years, it will not be the supposed panacea

for

> feeding our burgeoning populations as it is today. Local foods

will

> rule in the future and being inland, I will have to live without

marine

> foods and go for more Angus beef.

## I agree. Besides, wheat doesn't often grow in the tropics. Most of

it is imported. So, from the climate/place perspective we shouldn't

be eating wheat. There is no logic to it. Nevertheless, rice, maize

and tubers grow here, so they are more appropriate to belong to our

diets. I particularly enjoy eating manioc, I don't know if you have

ever eaten manioc. It is a very typical product with our natives, who

turn it into a powder (flour) and cook it like flat bread. I prefer

it cooked. It is delicious with a knob of butter.

## Where do you live, by the way? Have you got vineyards over there?

Don't tell you are a sommelière...

Cheers to you.

José

> Regards,

> Deanna

> Texas Ambassadress, Organic Wine Company

> http://www.theorganicwinecompany.com/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

[José ] ## I totally agree. Health is maybe a tripod: good food,

exercise and rest (sleep). The rest is your mind.

[Deanna] Yes, sleep, rest, fun, playtime are all so important to good

health. Very good point. What do you mean about the rest is your mind?

>>[Deanna wrote poorly]But I am often amazed at folks wanting to

>>prevent diseases like osteoporosis; but without exercise, bones won't grow

very dense, even with tons of calcium in the diet.

>>

[Deanna corrects herself] What I meant to say in the above statement was

that often people look for a nutritional fix to health without looking

at overall solutions. Exercise may not be as fun to an untrained person

as eating. Food offers pleasure to those who haven't found it in

exercise and sex. But lifestyles as a whole reflect on our health.

That is what I wanted to say. Move your butt and enjoy the ride.

Putting this in your mouth or taking that out is not all there is.

Walk, skip, run, swim, play. Eat well and make it a wholistic approach

to living that is active, vibrant, free from stress and adequate on

rest, that's what I think. You could revamp the US food pyramid with

your tripod approach, my dear.

>[José ]## What do you think about weight lifting?

>

>

[Deanna] I think it is fine. I think it is a good thing. Ashtanga yoga

may replace it equally in those that don't want weights, unless body

building is the goal. But then genetics play a role here too. Some

people gain muscle more readily than others. I lift more in winter when

it is cold out. In summer (which is now in northern hemisphere

obviously) I choose cardiopulmonary activities outdoors mostly.

> [José ]## Are you sure you want to lose this?

>

>

[Deanna ] Oh yes, I will still be curvy and built as I am. BTW, the

reason for the big rib cage is running in teen years. My bone structure

won't change much now no matter what I do.

>[José ]## I was a good runner when I was a boy. Now I rarely run, except

>when I have to get on a bus about to leave. I don't drive. But I do

>walk a lot, really. I am a sort of pilgrim, you know. If I had to

>run, I would do in the afternoon, anyway. Isn't it a shock for you to

>jump from your bed and enter the running mode without a transition?

>And I enjoy dancing. Even with my children. Don't you think that

>dancing is missing in your schedule?

>

>

[Deanna inhales] I laugh at the bus catching exercise. And Oh,José

! You speak of dancing and it takes me away! To have a dancing

partner ... oh heck, to dance without one even ... does love-making

count? What dances do you recommend?

Um, er, as far as running first thing in the morning: I always have. I

taught aerobics in high school at 6 am, continuing this practice through

very recent years. I think it depends on how situated you are to

morning activity. Here in North Texas, I had better exercise early or

the heat will persuade me otherwise. But then, I love morning

exercise. It is part of my make-up as a person I think. Others need

evening or noon workouts. Again, it is who you are. But the heart

thing maybe you wonder about: How safe is it to go from rest to 90%

maximum heart rate within one hour's time? Well, to someone whose heart

has been dealing with it since age 17 off and on, I think it is

natural. To someone sedentary who wants to begin exercise for the first

time and has any cardiac risk factors, it may be bad. I have read heart

attacks happen most frequently in early hours when the heart must adjust

from rest to waking. I feel strongly this does not apply to someone

like me, with a blood pressure of 90/50 on good days, resting heart rate

below 60, very accustomed to this sort of thing for 23 years. And ya

know what? If I go out of this material world, I'd like to know that I

lived life fully and experienced deer in the morning grazing, a full

moon with planets nearby before dawn, the breath of life that connects

us to this universe. All the quantity of years will never replace a

fulfilling quality of life. And since we have the politics tag flying,

I believe that fear of death is a real problem in American culture.

II.9 svarasavahi vidusah api tatha arudhah abhinivesah

Self-preservation or attachment to life is the subtlest of all

afflictions. It is found even in wise men. - Light on the Yoga Sutras

of Patanjali, BKS Iyengar

It is in the release of this attachment to life that we find the truest

meaning and respect for life, imo. IOW, we all live and die. Why not

do so to the fullest potential contained within us without worry?

>[JC]## We are just a little above the tropic. It is almost subtropical

>here. Fruit is plentiful, but because of intense cultivation most of

>it is tasteless. We have a few trees in the yard, however: guavas,

>coconut, figs, acerola. Not a very large output, however.

>

>

[D] Ow, figs and coconut. Do the coconuts produce continually as I have

heard on this list?

>[JC]## I would never eat all raw. I don't believe in it. But of course a

>part of our diet should be raw, in my opinion.

>

>

[D] Yes, and I think it should be dictated on seasons and location. In

summer here raw is a good choice. Fruit is coming in, cooking is not

palatable generally with the humid heat of late. Salads with a bit of

cooked or raw meat and loads of fruit/veg is cool and healthy. Sushi

comes to mind.

> [JC]## I have mixed ancestors, including some Jewish ancestry. I wouldn't

>

>

>be able to define the right food for me with such a complex heritage.

>That is why I think it is better for me to eat somewhat of everything

>edible (though I mostly skip dairy, except butter).

>

>

[D] This is the case for many people. In fact, I am a mix of Celtic and

Swedish, but they are similar geographically. Yes, you must experiment

and see, if you even need that. You eat a bit of all foods and do

well. Then bravo for doing that without dogma and rigidity of this or that.

> ## I wouldn't say addicted (but who knows?), because I can go days

>

>

>without it, but I won't deny that I would be unhappy if I was told to

>never touch pasta or bread again. In any case, when I eat wheat, it

>is very little, really.

>

Ah ha, unhappy without the prospect of gluten is the sure sign of

addiction! Hee hee hee, and so is being upset at not getting up at the

crack of dawn and running. Do you eat corn? I make tamales and

tortillas very differently than the convention with lots of eggs and

little other fluid.

>## I agree. Besides, wheat doesn't often grow in the tropics. Most of

>it is imported. So, from the climate/place perspective we shouldn't

>be eating wheat. There is no logic to it. Nevertheless, rice, maize

>and tubers grow here, so they are more appropriate to belong to our

>diets. I particularly enjoy eating manioc, I don't know if you have

>ever eaten manioc. It is a very typical product with our natives, who

>turn it into a powder (flour) and cook it like flat bread. I prefer

>it cooked. It is delicious with a knob of butter.

>

>## Where do you live, by the way? Have you got vineyards over there?

>Don't tell you are a sommelière...

>

>Cheers to you.

>

>José

>

My coordinates are basically 33 north and 98 west.

No grapes here yet, just tons of blackberries coming in every day!

Om shanti,

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Deanna:

Just a short note. I am leaving the forum for a few days. I think I

have been so active (this list forces you to be so) that I am in need

of some time away. I am not used to this rhythm. When I come back,

next week, I will try to answer this post of yours, if you are still

interested.

My best wishes to you and to everybody.

José

> [José ] ## I totally agree. Health is maybe a tripod: good

food,

> exercise and rest (sleep). The rest is your mind.

>

> [Deanna] Yes, sleep, rest, fun, playtime are all so important to

good

> health. Very good point. What do you mean about the rest is your

mind?

>

> >>[Deanna wrote poorly]But I am often amazed at folks wanting to

> >>prevent diseases like osteoporosis; but without exercise, bones

won't grow very dense, even with tons of calcium in the diet.

> >>

> [Deanna corrects herself] What I meant to say in the above

statement was

> that often people look for a nutritional fix to health without

looking

> at overall solutions. Exercise may not be as fun to an untrained

person

> as eating. Food offers pleasure to those who haven't found it in

> exercise and sex. But lifestyles as a whole reflect on our

health.

> That is what I wanted to say. Move your butt and enjoy the ride.

> Putting this in your mouth or taking that out is not all there is.

> Walk, skip, run, swim, play. Eat well and make it a wholistic

approach

> to living that is active, vibrant, free from stress and adequate on

> rest, that's what I think. You could revamp the US food pyramid

with

> your tripod approach, my dear.

>

> >[José ]## What do you think about weight lifting?

> >

> >

> [Deanna] I think it is fine. I think it is a good thing. Ashtanga

yoga

> may replace it equally in those that don't want weights, unless

body

> building is the goal. But then genetics play a role here too.

Some

> people gain muscle more readily than others. I lift more in winter

when

> it is cold out. In summer (which is now in northern hemisphere

> obviously) I choose cardiopulmonary activities outdoors mostly.

>

> > [José ]## Are you sure you want to lose this?

> >

> >

> [Deanna ] Oh yes, I will still be curvy and built as I am. BTW,

the

> reason for the big rib cage is running in teen years. My bone

structure

> won't change much now no matter what I do.

>

> >[José ]## I was a good runner when I was a boy. Now I rarely

run, except

> >when I have to get on a bus about to leave. I don't drive. But I

do

> >walk a lot, really. I am a sort of pilgrim, you know. If I had to

> >run, I would do in the afternoon, anyway. Isn't it a shock for you

to

> >jump from your bed and enter the running mode without a

transition?

> >And I enjoy dancing. Even with my children. Don't you think that

> >dancing is missing in your schedule?

> >

> >

> [Deanna inhales] I laugh at the bus catching exercise. And Oh,José

> ! You speak of dancing and it takes me away! To have a

dancing

> partner ... oh heck, to dance without one even ... does love-making

> count? What dances do you recommend?

>

> Um, er, as far as running first thing in the morning: I always

have. I

> taught aerobics in high school at 6 am, continuing this practice

through

> very recent years. I think it depends on how situated you are to

> morning activity. Here in North Texas, I had better exercise early

or

> the heat will persuade me otherwise. But then, I love morning

> exercise. It is part of my make-up as a person I think. Others

need

> evening or noon workouts. Again, it is who you are. But the heart

> thing maybe you wonder about: How safe is it to go from rest to 90%

> maximum heart rate within one hour's time? Well, to someone whose

heart

> has been dealing with it since age 17 off and on, I think it is

> natural. To someone sedentary who wants to begin exercise for the

first

> time and has any cardiac risk factors, it may be bad. I have read

heart

> attacks happen most frequently in early hours when the heart must

adjust

> from rest to waking. I feel strongly this does not apply to

someone

> like me, with a blood pressure of 90/50 on good days, resting heart

rate

> below 60, very accustomed to this sort of thing for 23 years. And

ya

> know what? If I go out of this material world, I'd like to know

that I

> lived life fully and experienced deer in the morning grazing, a

full

> moon with planets nearby before dawn, the breath of life that

connects

> us to this universe. All the quantity of years will never replace

a

> fulfilling quality of life. And since we have the politics tag

flying,

> I believe that fear of death is a real problem in American culture.

>

> II.9 svarasavahi vidusah api tatha arudhah abhinivesah

>

> Self-preservation or attachment to life is the subtlest of all

> afflictions. It is found even in wise men. - Light on the Yoga

Sutras

> of Patanjali, BKS Iyengar

>

> It is in the release of this attachment to life that we find the

truest

> meaning and respect for life, imo. IOW, we all live and die. Why

not

> do so to the fullest potential contained within us without worry?

>

> >[JC]## We are just a little above the tropic. It is almost

subtropical

> >here. Fruit is plentiful, but because of intense cultivation most

of

> >it is tasteless. We have a few trees in the yard, however: guavas,

> >coconut, figs, acerola. Not a very large output, however.

> >

> >

> [D] Ow, figs and coconut. Do the coconuts produce continually as I

have

> heard on this list?

>

> >[JC]## I would never eat all raw. I don't believe in it. But of

course a

> >part of our diet should be raw, in my opinion.

> >

> >

> [D] Yes, and I think it should be dictated on seasons and

location. In

> summer here raw is a good choice. Fruit is coming in, cooking is

not

> palatable generally with the humid heat of late. Salads with a bit

of

> cooked or raw meat and loads of fruit/veg is cool and healthy.

Sushi

> comes to mind.

>

> > [JC]## I have mixed ancestors, including some Jewish ancestry. I

wouldn't

> >

> >

> >be able to define the right food for me with such a complex

heritage.

> >That is why I think it is better for me to eat somewhat of

everything

> >edible (though I mostly skip dairy, except butter).

> >

> >

> [D] This is the case for many people. In fact, I am a mix of

Celtic and

> Swedish, but they are similar geographically. Yes, you must

experiment

> and see, if you even need that. You eat a bit of all foods and do

> well. Then bravo for doing that without dogma and rigidity of this

or that.

>

> > ## I wouldn't say addicted (but who knows?), because I can go

days

> >

> >

> >without it, but I won't deny that I would be unhappy if I was told

to

> >never touch pasta or bread again. In any case, when I eat wheat,

it

> >is very little, really.

> >

> Ah ha, unhappy without the prospect of gluten is the sure sign of

> addiction! Hee hee hee, and so is being upset at not getting up at

the

> crack of dawn and running. Do you eat corn? I make tamales and

> tortillas very differently than the convention with lots of eggs

and

> little other fluid.

>

> >## I agree. Besides, wheat doesn't often grow in the tropics. Most

of

> >it is imported. So, from the climate/place perspective we

shouldn't

> >be eating wheat. There is no logic to it. Nevertheless, rice,

maize

> >and tubers grow here, so they are more appropriate to belong to

our

> >diets. I particularly enjoy eating manioc, I don't know if you

have

> >ever eaten manioc. It is a very typical product with our natives,

who

> >turn it into a powder (flour) and cook it like flat bread. I

prefer

> >it cooked. It is delicious with a knob of butter.

> >

> >## Where do you live, by the way? Have you got vineyards over

there?

> >Don't tell you are a sommelière...

> >

> >Cheers to you.

> >

> >José

> >

> My coordinates are basically 33 north and 98 west.

>

> No grapes here yet, just tons of blackberries coming in every day!

>

> Om shanti,

> Deanna

>

>

>

>