Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 one of the most startling points about the UNhealthy product put out by the Big Dairy system is the fact that bulk tanks have at bottom a layer of slime ... the accumulation of dead cells of the antibodies expressed from cows which have sub-clinical infections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 one of the most startling points about the UNhealthy product put out by the Big Dairy system is the fact that bulk tanks have at bottom a layer of slime ... the accumulation of dead cells of the antibodies expressed from cows which have sub-clinical infections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 If the commercial dairy industry didn't do what they innocuously call "clarification," that sludge (the industry's term) would be at the bottom of every gallon of commercial milk... Jill Ebbott Holistic Health Counselor Specializing in Wellness through Nutrition Reply-To: RawDairy To: RawDairy Subject: Re: Milk safe despite foreign material found in trucks: (they say)Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:53:33 -0000 one of the most startling points about the UNhealthy product put out by the Big Dairy system is the fact that bulk tanks have at bottom a layer of slime ... the accumulation of dead cells of the antibodies expressed from cows which have sub-clinical infections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 If the commercial dairy industry didn't do what they innocuously call "clarification," that sludge (the industry's term) would be at the bottom of every gallon of commercial milk... Jill Ebbott Holistic Health Counselor Specializing in Wellness through Nutrition Reply-To: RawDairy To: RawDairy Subject: Re: Milk safe despite foreign material found in trucks: (they say)Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:53:33 -0000 one of the most startling points about the UNhealthy product put out by the Big Dairy system is the fact that bulk tanks have at bottom a layer of slime ... the accumulation of dead cells of the antibodies expressed from cows which have sub-clinical infections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 unbelievable and most likely true, what do they care, it gets worse from there. TAone of the most startling points about the UNhealthy product put out by the Big Dairy system is the fact that bulk tanks have at bottom a layer of slime ...  the accumulation of dead cells of the antibodies expressed from cows which have sub-clinical infections  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 That is not true. At least for tanks in USA. I don't know what's going on in Canada, where this report supposedly originated, but in USA there isn't any slime layer. Sounds like the Canadians need to get a grip on making sure teats are clean/dry before milkers are attached and that their pipelines have a sock filter that works. Here in USA teat ends are clean before milkers are attached or you don't stay in business very long because all your cows are sick. There is no doubt in FACT that you milk dirty, wet teat and you end up with sick cows. Second, there is a sock filter (at the minimum) all that milk passes through on it's way to the bulk tank which catchs everything bigger than dust. And, third, there are stringent standards to be met about SCC and your plate counts, etc... that a 'layer of slime' would make impossible to pass making you go off grade. If you go off grade then you loose money, too. And, last, the bulk tank agitator AND milk being picked up every other day would both totally make impossible ANYTHING but lead pig iron from settling out of the milk. I milk by hand into a bucket and YES there is hair, dust and bits and pieces of whatever happens to be floating about that I do see on the filter when I pour my milk into the jars. I could eliminate that if I used machine. But, I am not willing to do that. I work on a commercial dairy, part time, and it, as well as several others I have worked on, do NOT have a layer of slime in their bulk tank. God knows I would know as I have cleaned many a bulk tank after milk pick up. Every one has been clean as a whistle with NOTHING lingering about, not even anything your could feel (like slime!) I don't care for pasteurized dairy products, myself. But, I do support ANYONE wanting it to have it freely available, the same way I would like to see raw freely available. It is a personal choice what I consume and not something you or anyone else should be mandating. I don't believe all raw dairy products are safe and good for you any more than I believe all pasteurized products are unsafe. As I have been heard to say many times there are folks out there producing raw dairy products that I would not consume, and there are those I would. I know what it takes to keep ANY dairy operation going, too. Talk crappy about the Canadians if you want to, but I will raise my voice in defense of USA dairy pastuerized or not. No, I don't like all the practices on all dairies- commercial, raw, pastuerized, or home. In my years of farming I have seen just as much bad in one as the other, too. Just because someone has a commercial dairy doesn't make them bad, nor having a 'home' dairy make them good. Donna Safehaven Nubians Dandridge, TN > > > one of the most startling points about the UNhealthy product put out by > the Big Dairy system is the fact that bulk tanks have at bottom a layer > of slime ... the accumulation of dead cells of the antibodies > expressed from cows which have sub-clinical infections > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Since you seem to think it is your God given right to defend Americans then I will stand up for our side. You are spouting off and insulting a whole nation of farmers. This is beyond rude. I would never say that every farm is Canada is perfect by any stretch of the imagination but at least I can quite honestly say that I have lived on a Canadian dairy farms and was the one responsible for cleaning of the bulk tank after the truck was at the farm to pick up the milk. You didn't even claim to have seen the bottom of a Canadian bulk tank yet we are to believe that you know all that happens on our farms.. Talk about FLAMINGly bad behaviour. Maybe if you took a minute to learn something about what you are talking about instead of just pretending you know something you might actually find out that Canadian dairies have to all milk with the same systems you have described and we are not legally allowed to use hormones either. Could there be slime or sludge on the bottom of a bulk tank? Why not but telling us that it only happens in Canada is just plain ridiculous. Debbie Chikousky Manitoba, Canada gdchik@... " The person who wants something will find a way. The person who doesn't will find an excuse. " Re: Milk safe despite foreign material found in trucks: (they say) > That is not true. At least for tanks in USA. I don't know > what's going on in Canada, where this report supposedly originated, but > in USA there isn't any slime layer. Sounds like the Canadians need to > get a grip on making sure teats are clean/dry before milkers are > attached and that their pipelines have a sock filter that works. > Here in USA teat ends are clean before milkers are attached or you > don't stay in business very long because all your cows are sick. There > is no doubt in FACT that you milk dirty, wet teat and you end up with > sick cows. Second, there is a sock filter (at the minimum) all that > milk passes through on it's way to the bulk tank which catchs > everything bigger than dust. And, third, there are stringent standards > to be met about SCC and your plate counts, etc... that a 'layer of > slime' would make impossible to pass making you go off grade. If you > go off grade then you loose money, too. And, last, the bulk tank > agitator AND milk being picked up every other day would both totally > make impossible ANYTHING but lead pig iron from settling out of the > milk. > I milk by hand into a bucket and YES there is hair, dust and bits > and pieces of whatever happens to be floating about that I do see on > the filter when I pour my milk into the jars. I could eliminate that > if I used machine. But, I am not willing to do that. > I work on a commercial dairy, part time, and it, as well as > several others I have worked on, do NOT have a layer of slime in their > bulk tank. God knows I would know as I have cleaned many a bulk tank > after milk pick up. Every one has been clean as a whistle with NOTHING > lingering about, not even anything your could feel (like slime!) > I don't care for pasteurized dairy products, myself. But, I do > support ANYONE wanting it to have it freely available, the same way I > would like to see raw freely available. It is a personal choice what I > consume and not something you or anyone else should be mandating. I > don't believe all raw dairy products are safe and good for you any more > than I believe all pasteurized products are unsafe. As I have been > heard to say many times there are folks out there producing raw dairy > products that I would not consume, and there are those I would. > I know what it takes to keep ANY dairy operation going, too. Talk > crappy about the Canadians if you want to, but I will raise my voice in > defense of USA dairy pastuerized or not. No, I don't like all the > practices on all dairies- commercial, raw, pastuerized, or home. In my > years of farming I have seen just as much bad in one as the other, > too. Just because someone has a commercial dairy doesn't make them > bad, nor having a 'home' dairy make them good. > Donna > Safehaven Nubians > Dandridge, TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Since you seem to think it is your God given right to defend Americans then I will stand up for our side. You are spouting off and insulting a whole nation of farmers. This is beyond rude. I would never say that every farm is Canada is perfect by any stretch of the imagination but at least I can quite honestly say that I have lived on a Canadian dairy farms and was the one responsible for cleaning of the bulk tank after the truck was at the farm to pick up the milk. You didn't even claim to have seen the bottom of a Canadian bulk tank yet we are to believe that you know all that happens on our farms.. Talk about FLAMINGly bad behaviour. Maybe if you took a minute to learn something about what you are talking about instead of just pretending you know something you might actually find out that Canadian dairies have to all milk with the same systems you have described and we are not legally allowed to use hormones either. Could there be slime or sludge on the bottom of a bulk tank? Why not but telling us that it only happens in Canada is just plain ridiculous. Debbie Chikousky Manitoba, Canada gdchik@... " The person who wants something will find a way. The person who doesn't will find an excuse. " Re: Milk safe despite foreign material found in trucks: (they say) > That is not true. At least for tanks in USA. I don't know > what's going on in Canada, where this report supposedly originated, but > in USA there isn't any slime layer. Sounds like the Canadians need to > get a grip on making sure teats are clean/dry before milkers are > attached and that their pipelines have a sock filter that works. > Here in USA teat ends are clean before milkers are attached or you > don't stay in business very long because all your cows are sick. There > is no doubt in FACT that you milk dirty, wet teat and you end up with > sick cows. Second, there is a sock filter (at the minimum) all that > milk passes through on it's way to the bulk tank which catchs > everything bigger than dust. And, third, there are stringent standards > to be met about SCC and your plate counts, etc... that a 'layer of > slime' would make impossible to pass making you go off grade. If you > go off grade then you loose money, too. And, last, the bulk tank > agitator AND milk being picked up every other day would both totally > make impossible ANYTHING but lead pig iron from settling out of the > milk. > I milk by hand into a bucket and YES there is hair, dust and bits > and pieces of whatever happens to be floating about that I do see on > the filter when I pour my milk into the jars. I could eliminate that > if I used machine. But, I am not willing to do that. > I work on a commercial dairy, part time, and it, as well as > several others I have worked on, do NOT have a layer of slime in their > bulk tank. God knows I would know as I have cleaned many a bulk tank > after milk pick up. Every one has been clean as a whistle with NOTHING > lingering about, not even anything your could feel (like slime!) > I don't care for pasteurized dairy products, myself. But, I do > support ANYONE wanting it to have it freely available, the same way I > would like to see raw freely available. It is a personal choice what I > consume and not something you or anyone else should be mandating. I > don't believe all raw dairy products are safe and good for you any more > than I believe all pasteurized products are unsafe. As I have been > heard to say many times there are folks out there producing raw dairy > products that I would not consume, and there are those I would. > I know what it takes to keep ANY dairy operation going, too. Talk > crappy about the Canadians if you want to, but I will raise my voice in > defense of USA dairy pastuerized or not. No, I don't like all the > practices on all dairies- commercial, raw, pastuerized, or home. In my > years of farming I have seen just as much bad in one as the other, > too. Just because someone has a commercial dairy doesn't make them > bad, nor having a 'home' dairy make them good. > Donna > Safehaven Nubians > Dandridge, TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Debbie, Direct it to Gordon. He is the one who presented the report about nasty CANADIAN milk. I have not insulted anyone, I simply spoke up for USA because I know what our PMO says and haven't the slightest clue about what goes on in Canada. Donna Safehaven Nubians Dandridge, TN > > Since you seem to think it is your God given right to defend Americans then > I will stand up for our side. You are spouting off and insulting a whole > nation of farmers. This is beyond rude. I would never say that every farm > is Canada is perfect by any stretch of the imagination but at least I can > quite honestly say that I have lived on a Canadian dairy farms and was the > one responsible for cleaning of the bulk tank after the truck was at the > farm to pick up the milk. You didn't even claim to have seen the bottom of a > Canadian bulk tank yet we are to believe that you know all that happens on > our farms.. Talk about FLAMINGly bad behaviour. Maybe if you took a minute > to learn something about what you are talking about instead of just > pretending you know something you might actually find out that Canadian > dairies have to all milk with the same systems you have described and we are > not legally allowed to use hormones either. Could there be slime or sludge > on the bottom of a bulk tank? Why not but telling us that it only happens > in Canada is just plain ridiculous. > Debbie Chikousky > Manitoba, Canada > gdchik@... > " The person who wants something will find a way. > The person who doesn't will find an excuse. " > > > Re: Milk safe despite foreign material found in trucks: > (they say) > > > > That is not true. At least for tanks in USA. I don't know > > what's going on in Canada, where this report supposedly originated, but > > in USA there isn't any slime layer. Sounds like the Canadians need to > > get a grip on making sure teats are clean/dry before milkers are > > attached and that their pipelines have a sock filter that works. > > Here in USA teat ends are clean before milkers are attached or you > > don't stay in business very long because all your cows are sick. There > > is no doubt in FACT that you milk dirty, wet teat and you end up with > > sick cows. Second, there is a sock filter (at the minimum) all that > > milk passes through on it's way to the bulk tank which catchs > > everything bigger than dust. And, third, there are stringent standards > > to be met about SCC and your plate counts, etc... that a 'layer of > > slime' would make impossible to pass making you go off grade. If you > > go off grade then you loose money, too. And, last, the bulk tank > > agitator AND milk being picked up every other day would both totally > > make impossible ANYTHING but lead pig iron from settling out of the > > milk. > > I milk by hand into a bucket and YES there is hair, dust and bits > > and pieces of whatever happens to be floating about that I do see on > > the filter when I pour my milk into the jars. I could eliminate that > > if I used machine. But, I am not willing to do that. > > I work on a commercial dairy, part time, and it, as well as > > several others I have worked on, do NOT have a layer of slime in their > > bulk tank. God knows I would know as I have cleaned many a bulk tank > > after milk pick up. Every one has been clean as a whistle with NOTHING > > lingering about, not even anything your could feel (like slime!) > > I don't care for pasteurized dairy products, myself. But, I do > > support ANYONE wanting it to have it freely available, the same way I > > would like to see raw freely available. It is a personal choice what I > > consume and not something you or anyone else should be mandating. I > > don't believe all raw dairy products are safe and good for you any more > > than I believe all pasteurized products are unsafe. As I have been > > heard to say many times there are folks out there producing raw dairy > > products that I would not consume, and there are those I would. > > I know what it takes to keep ANY dairy operation going, too. Talk > > crappy about the Canadians if you want to, but I will raise my voice in > > defense of USA dairy pastuerized or not. No, I don't like all the > > practices on all dairies- commercial, raw, pastuerized, or home. In my > > years of farming I have seen just as much bad in one as the other, > > too. Just because someone has a commercial dairy doesn't make them > > bad, nor having a 'home' dairy make them good. > > Donna > > Safehaven Nubians > > Dandridge, TN > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 That was my point. You have not the slightest clue but yet jumped to the defense of your nation. There is piles of issues with American milk. You allow hormones etc that Canadians do not. Gordon posted a news article he didn't pontificate it. Debbie Chikousky Manitoba, Canada gdchik@... " The person who wants something will find a way. The person who doesn't will find an excuse. " Re: Milk safe despite foreign material found in trucks: (they say) > Debbie, > Direct it to Gordon. He is the one who presented the report > about nasty CANADIAN milk. > I have not insulted anyone, I simply spoke up for USA because I > know what our PMO says and haven't the slightest clue about what goes > on in Canada. > Donna > Safehaven Nubians > Dandridge, TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Debbie, I have LOTS OF CLUES- all the milk tanks I have personally cleaned over my lifetime and NEVER ANY SLIME LAYER. And, yes, dear sweet Gordon did most certainly take a wide swipe at the Canadians. Go back and read the subject line. He always paints with alarming broad strokes. Donna > > That was my point. You have not the slightest clue but yet jumped to the > defense of your nation. There is piles of issues with American milk. You > allow hormones etc that Canadians do not. Gordon posted a news article he > didn't pontificate it. > Debbie Chikousky > Manitoba, Canada > gdchik@... > " The person who wants something will find a way. > The person who doesn't will find an excuse. " > > > Re: Milk safe despite foreign material found in trucks: > (they say) > > > > Debbie, > > Direct it to Gordon. He is the one who presented the report > > about nasty CANADIAN milk. > > I have not insulted anyone, I simply spoke up for USA because I > > know what our PMO says and haven't the slightest clue about what goes > > on in Canada. > > Donna > > Safehaven Nubians > > Dandridge, TN > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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