Guest guest Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 We milk Goats and Dexters, have milked holstein but never,sorry to say,a Jersey. Holstein,copious lite white quickly seperating milk and cream. Dexter,medium prod. of dense white slowly seperating milk and cream. Goat,lite prod. of dense white hardly separating milk and cream. I like goats milk best. My family likes Ruffles-n-Lacy's,Dexter cows,milk best. Robie husband,father,farmer,optometrist > --- milk color > > Date: Sat, May 26, 2007 1:48 pm > To: RawDairy > > how does the color of milk vary between different breeds of cows? I > know Jersey milk is more yellow than Holstein milk. what about > Dexters? Guernseys? Brown Swiss? I also know that it varies depending > on the time of year and what the cows are eating. if cow milk is more > yellow, is it more nutritious? goat milk is white but is still highly > nutritious. > thanks, Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 I'm curious about that myself. You can really see the difference when you freeze it—the only milk I've gotten that had a tinge of yellow when frozen was from Organic Pastures. I get milk from Dexters and I've gotten great-tasting, creamy goat's milk, but these were white when frozen. I assume that means they're just as nutritious? Naomi > > how does the color of milk vary between different breeds of cows? I > know Jersey milk is more yellow than Holstein milk. what about > Dexters? Guernseys? Brown Swiss? I also know that it varies depending > on the time of year and what the cows are eating. if cow milk is more > yellow, is it more nutritious? goat milk is white but is still highly > nutritious. > thanks, Carolyn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Jersey CREAM is yellow, the milk is just as white as any other cow. After you seperate cream, it's 'blue john' and colored just like any other cow's skim milk. But, even whole or skim, no cow milk is as white as the goat milk. Side by side in outdoor light I can always tell which one is the goat and which one is the cow. Watch out when looking to buy a Gurnsey as they have a genetic problem with 'fishy' taste to milk. This is being typed and culled against by the breed association, but still out there in general population. Milk tastes AWFUL!! Donna Safehaven Nubians Dandridge, TN > > how does the color of milk vary between different breeds of cows? I > know Jersey milk is more yellow than Holstein milk. what about > Dexters? Guernseys? Brown Swiss? I also know that it varies depending > on the time of year and what the cows are eating. if cow milk is more > yellow, is it more nutritious? goat milk is white but is still highly > nutritious. > thanks, Carolyn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 why is Jersey cream yellow and Holstein cream is white? does the Jersey cream contain more beta-carotene vs. vitamin A. isn't goat milk white because it contains vitamin A vs. beta-carotene? > > > > how does the color of milk vary between different breeds of cows? I > > know Jersey milk is more yellow than Holstein milk. what about > > Dexters? Guernseys? Brown Swiss? I also know that it varies > depending > > on the time of year and what the cows are eating. if cow milk is > more > > yellow, is it more nutritious? goat milk is white but is still > highly > > nutritious. > > thanks, Carolyn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Usually Holstein milk is white because they are fed grain. They are bred to " keep " better on grain, it is in their genetics...as opposed to staying healthy and fit on grass. The older breeds, the Jerseys, Guernseys, etc. have not been selectively bred to do well on grain...rather, they have been left alone and do well on grass. Therefore, most of the milk you see from Holsteins is white because of their diet. Yes, goats milk is white because they use up the beta carotene, but a cow passes it into her milk. So you get the golden milk from the beta carotene a cow gets from the grass. Make sense? D. moderator > > why is Jersey cream yellow and Holstein cream is white? does the Jersey cream contain > more beta-carotene vs. vitamin A. isn't goat milk white because it contains vitamin A vs. > beta-carotene? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Those sly jerseys, only in it for the money.<G> To answer the question, yes, goats process the beta carotene more completely so it is definitely whiter milk. -Jenn > > > > why is Jersey cream yellow and Holstein cream is white? does the > > Jersey cream contain > > more beta-carotene vs. vitamin A. isn't goat milk white because it > > contains vitamin A vs. > > beta-carotene? > > > > --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 So if milk from an older-breed cow is still white when frozen, does that mean there's very little vitamin A in it? Naomi > > Usually Holstein milk is white because they are fed > grain. They are bred to " keep " better on grain, it > is in their genetics...as opposed to staying healthy > and fit on grass. The older breeds, the Jerseys, > Guernseys, etc. have not been selectively bred to > do well on grain...rather, they have been left alone > and do well on grass. Therefore, most of the milk > you see from Holsteins is white because of their > diet. > > Yes, goats milk is white because they use > up the beta carotene, but a cow passes it into > her milk. So you get the golden milk from the > beta carotene a cow gets from the grass. > > Make sense? > D. > moderator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 No. It likely means that the older breed cow has been fed grain. Any cow, old or modern breed, will give whiter colored milk if given only grain. Beta Carotene is found in the milk when it is golden. BC is converted to Vit. A in the wall of our small intestine, only in the amount needed for our body. This is why it is safer to consume Vit A in BC form. Whitish colored milk from a cow, whether frozen or not, is very likely lacking in BC (which would convert to Vit. A in our bodies) and likely the cow has not been grass fed. It is really the surest sign of grain feeding in a cow... white milk (cream.) D. moderator > > > > Usually Holstein milk is white because they are fed > > grain. They are bred to " keep " better on grain, it > > is in their genetics...as opposed to staying healthy > > and fit on grass. The older breeds, the Jerseys, > > Guernseys, etc. have not been selectively bred to > > do well on grain...rather, they have been left alone > > and do well on grass. Therefore, most of the milk > > you see from Holsteins is white because of their > > diet. > > > > Yes, goats milk is white because they use > > up the beta carotene, but a cow passes it into > > her milk. So you get the golden milk from the > > beta carotene a cow gets from the grass. > > > > Make sense? > > D. > > moderator > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Yes, " predominantly " is the key word. I drink milk from cows that are fed a little crushed corn at milking time, to help them be still and help them look forward to milking time. The milk I get is VERY golden and beautiful. But they graze on fresh green grass all day long. The corn is minimal. I think this is traditional. :-) D. moderator > > When I had my Jersey I would only fed her some grain at milking time, as a > form of keeping her happy. Her milk was always yellowish. Perhaps it depends > on if the cow is predominately grazed. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 what if the older breed cow is being fed dry hay (like in the winter) but no grain? will this also cause whiter colored milk? > > > > > > Usually Holstein milk is white because they are fed > > > grain. They are bred to " keep " better on grain, it > > > is in their genetics...as opposed to staying healthy > > > and fit on grass. The older breeds, the Jerseys, > > > Guernseys, etc. have not been selectively bred to > > > do well on grain...rather, they have been left alone > > > and do well on grass. Therefore, most of the milk > > > you see from Holsteins is white because of their > > > diet. > > > > > > Yes, goats milk is white because they use > > > up the beta carotene, but a cow passes it into > > > her milk. So you get the golden milk from the > > > beta carotene a cow gets from the grass. > > > > > > Make sense? > > > D. > > > moderator > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 > thanks for sharing. this is good to know because the Holstein cream I just bought is white. the cows have been out on pasture since May 1st (I am in Wis.).I'm a little behind on the digests and will risk answering this even though others may have already said.Holsteins have better livers than Jerseys and convert beta carotene to vitamin A better. Guernseys have the worst livers of all for being able to convert beta carotene, hence their golden butter. Of course, goats are the best of all at it, which is why their butterfat is white even when on pasture and browse.Marilyn-- Marilyn Kefirladymarilynjarz@... http://www.kefirlady.comPlease join our chat group:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Good_Kefir_Grains/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 I am not sure why you call it a bad liver though, for the beta carotene not to be converted to Vit. A. Like we said before, beta carotene is the safest way to get Vit. A because our bodies process only the Vit. A that we need as opposed to being overdosed on pure Vit. A. BC is a much better thing. I would say that Guernseys have the BEST livers because they give us more beta carotene in their milk which is better for us as human beings. Genetics does play a role in the ability to give more bc-rich milk I am sure, but overall, as a whole, the older breeds are better because they give more golden bc-rich milk. I bet if you were also to research it and run lab tests, you would find that the older breeds, the more golden milk, is far more nutritious than the whiter milk. We absolutely refuse in our milk co-op, to buy any milk the color of copy paper. Its the golden stuff or nothing for us....hehe. D. moderator > > > thanks for sharing. this is good to know because the Holstein cream I just > bought is white. > the cows have been out on pasture since May 1st (I am in Wis.). > > I'm a little behind on the digests and will risk answering this even though > others may have already said. > > Holsteins have better livers than Jerseys and convert beta carotene to > vitamin A better. Guernseys have the worst livers of all for being able to > convert beta carotene, hence their golden butter. > > Of course, goats are the best of all at it, which is why their butterfat is > white even when on pasture and browse. > > Marilyn > -- > Marilyn Kefirlady > marilynjarz@... > http://www.kefirlady.com > Please join our chat group: > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Good_Kefir_Grains/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 Humans are very poor converters of BC to vit A. You cannot overdose on real vit A, only the synthetic stuff, like what they add to commercial milk. -Jenn -- In RawDairy , " chicsingr2 " wrote: > > I am not sure why you call it a bad liver though, for the beta > carotene not to be converted to Vit. A. Like we said before, > beta carotene is the safest way to get Vit. A because our bodies > process only the Vit. A that we need as opposed to being > overdosed on pure Vit. A. BC is a much better thing. I would > say that Guernseys have the BEST livers because they give us > more beta carotene in their milk which is better for us as human > beings. > > Genetics does play a role in the ability to give more bc-rich milk > I am sure, but overall, as a whole, the older breeds are better > because they give more golden bc-rich milk. I bet if you were > also to research it and run lab tests, you would find that the > older breeds, the more golden milk, is far more nutritious than > the whiter milk. We absolutely refuse in our milk co-op, to buy > any milk the color of copy paper. Its the golden stuff or nothing > for us....hehe. > D. > moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 Hmmm. To say that all human beings are poor converters of beta carotene to vit. A is a big generalization. The rate of beta carotene conversion varies from person to person, probably very much like it varies from cow to cow. Some are better at it than others. There are studies out there to show that some people have a better uptake than others, some are great at it. And also, to say that you cannot overdose on anything you consume, natural or not, is also not accurate. If I eat large amount of beef liver in a short amount of time I guarantee I will overdose on vitamin A. Heck, you can overdose and die on plain water. But I do agree that you also are more likely to overdose using vit A supplements, rather than natural products. I still think that promoting goat's milk over cow's milk just because of the vitamin A is misleading. There are nutritional tradeoffs for both kinds of milk. Each one has more of one thing than the other does....it's a personal preference. D. moderator > > > > I am not sure why you call it a bad liver though, for the beta > > carotene not to be converted to Vit. A. Like we said before, > > beta carotene is the safest way to get Vit. A because our bodies > > process only the Vit. A that we need as opposed to being > > overdosed on pure Vit. A. BC is a much better thing. I would > > say that Guernseys have the BEST livers because they give us > > more beta carotene in their milk which is better for us as human Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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