Re: New member hoping for some adive for daughter.

Posted November 26, 2005 · November 26, 2005

Moneca, I don't have any suggestions but I'm thinking of you and your

little girl. I have two little girls (including one with a touchy GI

tract) and my heart goes out to you.

Lynn S.

------

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http://www.siprelle.com

http://www.thenewhomemaker.com * http://www.oregonmediainsiders.com *

http://www.knitting911.net

Posted November 26, 2005 · November 26, 2005

>

> Hi.

> I originally started looking into WP months ago hoping to find

healing

> for my daughter's gut. She is 23 mo and has been vomiting several

times

> a day for 15 mo. I believe she has a stomach motility disorder

because

> all her tests have come up negative (scopes, barium swallows,

blood)

> and she will vomit UNDIGESTED food that she ate 10 hours

previously. > her stomach for 4 hours.

> Thank you in advance for your help.

>

> Peace,

> Moneca

>

Sounds kind of like Crohn's disease. The Maker's Diet book is by a

guy who had this and tried everything, finally cured it with

probiotics, etc. and got many things from the bible. Not pushing

religion but the book has many good things.

Have you tried freshly pressed juice like carrot juice? Or a slow

cooked soup. This is a long shot but the Hippocrates soup from

Gerson therapy for cancer patients may be good. Slow cook potatoes,

tomatoes, carrots, celery root or celery, (not much), onion, and

parsley in a little water for 3 hours at very low boil. Then put in

a blender. My kids have always liked it (I don't blend it), and I

also add red cabbage, but that may be a bit much. This provides a

lot of minerals and nutrients. So this or the carrot juice are

extremes- hopefully one will be tolerated. Very small amounts at

first will be needed.

Peace to you also,

Bob

Posted November 26, 2005 · November 26, 2005

I wonder if the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) would help her?

www.scdiet.org I believe is the main site

http://www.pecanbread.com/ has loads of info on using it with kids

as many people with autistic children are finding much benefit (autism

has a major gut component).

Elaine Gottschall's book is " Breaking the Vicious Cycle "

Sounds like your daughter is in serious trouble and if you don't get quick

improvement

from what Dr. Ron is suggesting, please look into the SCD.

Take care,

Alice - HSing mom to Alice (DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-)

Hopewell Junction, NY

http://users.bestweb.net/~castella

castella@...

New member hoping for some adive for daughter.

Hi.

I originally started looking into WP months ago hoping to find healing

for my daughter's gut. She is 23 mo and has been vomiting several times

a day for 15 mo. I believe she has a stomach motility disorder because

all her tests have come up negative (scopes, barium swallows, blood)

and she will vomit UNDIGESTED food that she ate 10 hours previously. I

have tried things to increase her HCL and she has been on high quality

(Houstons) enzymes for months. She has stopped eating and only consumes

about 24 oz of 24 hour raw organic pasture fed jersey milk yoghurt per

day. She is of course off the weight chart.

Last week we went to see Dr. Ron Schmid in CT. He is an ND who bases

all his practices on WP's research and his own research. He wants me to

continue the yoghurt and added high vitamin butter oil, a richer CLO

than I was using, and raw organic freeze dried multi organ powder. We

have instituted all of this. I am hoping that some of you might have

some further advice or encouragement. Unless her stomach contracts all

the nutrient dense food won't help her because it just sits there and

is not digested. Even the yoghurt which has all the lactose converted

to monosaccharides (24 hour process) for very easy digestion sits on

her stomach for 4 hours.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Peace,

Moneca

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Posted November 27, 2005 · November 27, 2005

Moneca,

Have you read this article about poi?

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/poi.html

B.

Posted November 27, 2005 · November 27, 2005

>

> Moneca,

> Have you read this article about poi?

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/poi.html

>

> B.

>

Okay then, so wild fermentation? Or would kefir do it? Or does it

need to be the wild fermentation IN HAWAII?

Connie H.

Posted November 27, 2005 · November 27, 2005

> Okay then, so wild fermentation? Or would kefir do it? Or does it

> need to be the wild fermentation IN HAWAII?

Connie,

I'm not sure what you're asking. What I meant to suggest was that

this woman found fermented poi to be digestible for her baby when

nothing else she tried worked. If Moneca's baby is not doing well on

the 24-hour yogurt,or anything else, perhaps poi may be worth looking

into, since it is a highly digestible food.

As far as the fermentation process goes, the woman who wrote the

article had poi flown in from Hawaii, but she also had contacts there

and maybe that was more convenient for her than sourcing the taro

herself and processing it at home, especially with a sick baby. I

don't see in the article that she specifies either the taro or the

fermentation culture needs to come from Hawaii, only that this process

worked for her and may help others.

Taro root can be found here in Asian stores and at some farmer's

markets; there is a recipe for poi in NT. Poi can also be found

ready-made, but not fermented, at some stores, and online:

http://www.hawaiiankinestuff.com/poi.html

http://www.poico.com/artman/publish/article_20.php

and if, on the off-chance, anyone is looking for old-skool fermented

poi, I have a contact in Hawaii.

B.

Posted November 27, 2005 · November 27, 2005

> Okay then, so wild fermentation? Or would kefir do it? Or does it

> need to be the wild fermentation IN HAWAII?

Connie,

Okay, on re-reading, I'm thinking you are asking how to go about

culturing the taro root paste. Surely wild fermentation would work,

but might be unpredictable/mold-prone. Kefir grains or kefir whey

would be a better bet, unless someone was extremely casein-intolerant,

then I would go with one of Body Ecology's starters, either kefir or

vegetable culture, as both are non-dairy.

Sorry but my mind is muddled.

B.

Posted November 27, 2005 · November 27, 2005

Thanks Lynn!

--- In , Lynn Siprelle <lynn@s...>

wrote:

>

> Moneca, I don't have any suggestions but I'm thinking of you and your

> little girl. I have two little girls (including one with a touchy GI

> tract) and my heart goes out to you.

>

> Lynn S.

>

> ------

> Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky *

> http://www.siprelle.com

> http://www.thenewhomemaker.com * http://www.oregonmediainsiders.com *

> http://www.knitting911.net

>

Posted November 27, 2005 · November 27, 2005

Bob,

Thanks. Read the MD book this summer and even tried her on the HSOs

which she did not tolerate. Started juicing with carrot juice last

spring, but she does not tolerate this well either. I made her broth

this summer using the NT book, but she was only interested in this

for a couple days.

Peace,

Moneca

> >

> > Hi.

> > I originally started looking into WP months ago hoping to find

> healing

> > for my daughter's gut. She is 23 mo and has been vomiting several

> times

> > a day for 15 mo. I believe she has a stomach motility disorder

> because

> > all her tests have come up negative (scopes, barium swallows,

> blood)

> > and she will vomit UNDIGESTED food that she ate 10 hours

> previously. > her stomach for 4 hours.

> > Thank you in advance for your help.

> >

> > Peace,

> > Moneca

> >

> Sounds kind of like Crohn's disease. The Maker's Diet book is by a

> guy who had this and tried everything, finally cured it with

> probiotics, etc. and got many things from the bible. Not pushing

> religion but the book has many good things.

>

> Have you tried freshly pressed juice like carrot juice? Or a slow

> cooked soup. This is a long shot but the Hippocrates soup from

> Gerson therapy for cancer patients may be good. Slow cook

potatoes,

> tomatoes, carrots, celery root or celery, (not much), onion, and

> parsley in a little water for 3 hours at very low boil. Then put

in

> a blender. My kids have always liked it (I don't blend it), and I

> also add red cabbage, but that may be a bit much. This provides a

> lot of minerals and nutrients. So this or the carrot juice are

> extremes- hopefully one will be tolerated. Very small amounts at

> first will be needed.

>

> Peace to you also,

> Bob

>

Posted November 27, 2005 · November 27, 2005

Alice,

Thanks. We started the SCD this spring and had good results for the

first month and then things started to go down. The problem is that

her little stomach just does not contract well. Most people have

three stomach contractions per minute that mixes the food with

enzymes and digestive juices to turn it into chyme which is the

equiv. of pureed food. Everything just sits in her stomach so the bad

bacteria and yeast grows on anything that I give her. We finally gave

in to the medical world and started her on a med to hopefully

increase her gastric motility. My friend and I actually started

a " healing the gut tribe " in mothering.com because we were so amazed

with the SCD and are WP/NT believers. You gave good advice!

Peace,

Moneca

--- In , " Alice " <castella@b...>

wrote:

>

> I wonder if the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) would help her?

> www.scdiet.org I believe is the main site

> http://www.pecanbread.com/ has loads of info on using it with kids

> as many people with autistic children are finding much benefit

(autism

> has a major gut component).

> Elaine Gottschall's book is " Breaking the Vicious Cycle "

> Sounds like your daughter is in serious trouble and if you don't

get quick improvement

> from what Dr. Ron is suggesting, please look into the SCD.

> Take care,

> Alice - HSing mom to Alice (DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-)

> Hopewell Junction, NY

> http://users.bestweb.net/~castella

> castella@b...

> New member hoping for some adive for daughter.

>

> Hi.

> I originally started looking into WP months ago hoping to find

healing

> for my daughter's gut. She is 23 mo and has been vomiting several

times

> a day for 15 mo. I believe she has a stomach motility disorder

because

> all her tests have come up negative (scopes, barium swallows,

blood)

> and she will vomit UNDIGESTED food that she ate 10 hours

previously. I

> have tried things to increase her HCL and she has been on high

quality

> (Houstons) enzymes for months. She has stopped eating and only

consumes

> about 24 oz of 24 hour raw organic pasture fed jersey milk

yoghurt per

> day. She is of course off the weight chart.

> Last week we went to see Dr. Ron Schmid in CT. He is an ND who

bases

> all his practices on WP's research and his own research. He wants

me to

> continue the yoghurt and added high vitamin butter oil, a richer

CLO

> than I was using, and raw organic freeze dried multi organ

powder. We

> have instituted all of this. I am hoping that some of you might

have

> some further advice or encouragement. Unless her stomach

contracts all

> the nutrient dense food won't help her because it just sits there

and

> is not digested. Even the yoghurt which has all the lactose

converted

> to monosaccharides (24 hour process) for very easy digestion sits

on

> her stomach for 4 hours.

> Thank you in advance for your help.

>

> Peace,

> Moneca

Posted November 27, 2005 · November 27, 2005

,

Thank you. I will check this out.

Moneca

>

> Moneca,

> Have you read this article about poi?

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/poi.html

>

> B.

>

Posted November 27, 2005 · November 27, 2005

Moneca,

i wonder if any of the Metabolic Typing information would help you.

According to them :for certain types certain foods speed up the

digestive system, while for other types the same food slows it down.

The Nutrition Solution by Harold Kristal is one book on the subject

Ellen

>

> Alice,

> Thanks. We started the SCD this spring and had good results for the

> first month and then things started to go down. The problem is that

> her little stomach just does not contract well. Most people have

> three stomach contractions per minute that mixes the food with

> enzymes and digestive juices to turn it into chyme which is the

> equiv. of pureed food. Everything just sits in her stomach so the bad

> bacteria and yeast grows on anything that I give her. We finally gave

> in to the medical world and started her on a med to hopefully

> increase her gastric motility. My friend and I actually started

> a " healing the gut tribe " in mothering.com because we were so amazed

> with the SCD and are WP/NT believers. You gave good advice!

>

> Peace,

> Moneca

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