Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 << is a " NT " way to feed her. We are using a " natural " dog food but I am still not convinced that's the right stuff for dogs to eat. She sheds like the dickens and is most nervous. She also has lyme. Any dog advice is appreciated.>>> I have not personally had to deal with lyme disease but it's a common topic on some of the dog lists. Swift and Proper treatment is essentia! I am sending along some url's that should be helpful. http://users2.ev1.net/~vintage/tick.htm http://www.minden.com/nowhereelse/index.htm You might also join the Tick-l list http://www.minden.com/nowhereelse/sub_on.htm Kathy A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Suze, I have been paranoid about cooked bones the last 4 years. But, the bones that come out of my stock are pretty much dissolved (especially the chicken bones). I can crush them with my fingers and *I* have eaten them with no issues. They're a little chalky, but nothing sharp. I've seen many a non-raw family feed well boiled bones without issues. My rule is if its dried out, it doesn't get fed - but if its moist go ahead and feed it. I would never feed dry cooked bones. Although, they are available at the pet store. I always wondered why. I do know a lot of dogs that have been fine on these as well, but I don't trust them. My dog has always had an issue with too many marrow bones (usually given raw) in too short a time. Sometimes she pukes but usually she gets gas (pee yew!). I think they're just too rich for a small dog like her. -Lana On 11/10/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote: > > Please PLEASE don't give *cooked* bones to your dog. They are dangerous. > Cooking causes them to dry out and splinter. These splinters can get caught > in your dog's gut and wreak havoc. They are more likely to cause an > impaction as well since the moisture has been removed. If you want to give > bones be sure they are raw. Raw bones are softer, more flexible and less > prone to splintering. > > I don't know why your dog vommited but my two guesses are: > > 1. Gastroenteritis from too much marrow (IF there was marrow left in the > bone. This happened to one of my dogs years ago) > 2. Splintered bone piercing stomach lining. > > > > Suze Fisher > Lapdog Design, Inc. > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > http://www.westonaprice.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 >-----Original Message----- >From: >[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Lana Gibbons > >Suze, > >I have been paranoid about cooked bones the last 4 years. > >But, the bones that come out of my stock are pretty much dissolved >(especially the chicken bones). I can crush them with my fingers and >*I* have eaten them with no issues. Hi Lana, I've eaten them too, and come to think of it, have fed them mashed to my dogs. But if I remember correctly, Phil said it was a beef bone. I've never seen a beef bone come out of stock *soft* and crushable and still moist. So I assumed he meant the kind of beef bone that usually comes out of *my* stockpot, although maybe I assumed wrong. My Chi has impacted on both cooked and raw bones so I have to be careful not to overdo any kind of bones with him. It was years ago that I fed cooked bone that caused an impaction, although I think I mashed it then as well and didn't realize it would still cause impaction. It was just too much and too dry, IIRC. They're a little chalky, but >nothing sharp. I've seen many a non-raw family feed well boiled bones >without issues. My rule is if its dried out, it doesn't get fed - but >if its moist go ahead and feed it. Right. I think these folks are asking for trouble and just fortunate that the dog hasn't had problems with these bones yet. > >My dog has always had an issue with too many marrow bones (usually >given raw) in too short a time. Sometimes she pukes but usually she >gets gas (pee yew!). I think they're just too rich for a small dog >like her. Yep. That's what happened to my minpin many years ago. It caused gastritis. Now what I do is scoop out most of the marrow and give it to 'em. I keep the marrow and add small amounts to their food. The dogs I have now are only 11 lbs. each so the amount of marrow in a marrow bone is waaaaay too much for them to consume at one sitting. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 >> But, the bones that come out of my stock are pretty much dissolved >> (especially the chicken bones). I can crush them with my fingers and >> *I* have eaten them with no issues. > > Hi Lana, > > I've eaten them too, and come to think of it, have fed them mashed to > my > dogs. But if I remember correctly, Phil said it was a beef bone. I've > never > seen a beef bone come out of stock *soft* and crushable and still > moist. So > I assumed he meant the kind of beef bone that usually comes out of *my* > stockpot, although maybe I assumed wrong. I made some beef stock a few months ago and gave one bone each to my two chihuahuas. The little guy did what I expected (ooooh, bone with juicy meat and marrow, yum) and just chewed off the meat and licked out as much of the marrow as he could reach with his tongue. My 8# buzz saw ate almost the entire bone in a matter of minutes while I just stepped outside to give the pig a snack and a scritch. Luckily he (the dog not the pig) didn't get sick and I just gave him lots of pumpkin to help poop out all that bone. Ay chihuahuas! I think the stock was going a day and a half and the bit of bone he didn't eat just crumbled in my fingers. It certainly seemed hard enough when I gave it to them. Hey! Could I crumble and dehydrate my used stock bones and use it in the garden as bone meal? Or would the plants/soil not get any benefit because all the nutrients leached out into the stock? Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Ruth, I would think since osmosis is about creating an equilibrium, that the bones would be as healthy as the stock - just not as healthy as they were prior to enhancing the stock. Its a great idea - I think I'll try it to. Lemme know how it goes for you. -Lana > Or would the plants/soil not get > any benefit because all the nutrients leached out into the stock? > > Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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