Re: Weight Loss and NT?

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>> I noticed in the food diaries on the WAP website, most

women seemed to be eating around 3000 calories per day. I'm trying to

lose weight, not gain it. What has your experience been? <<

I didn't gain or lose when I began eating " NT " style, but once I combined it

with low-carb principles, I lost 127 pounds in the last two years. Others

have had the same thing happen when they added some additional restriction

to their eating plan, such as the Warrior Diet (eating one large meal in the

PM and very lightly during the day), or gluten free, or whatever their

individual circumstances called for.

What this says to me is that NT is compatible with losing OR gaining OR

maintaining weight, but in and of itself it won't do any of those things -

you still have to look at personal lifestyle, individual body chemistry,

preferences, etc. and address the macronutrient levels and portion sizes of

your overall food intake, as well, of course, activity levels.

As to calories, and fat intake, I get around 75-80 percent of my calories

from fat, and as long as I keep my calories in the range of 10-12 times my

body weight, I lose weight easily. The first 8 months the weight just

dropped off, but since then it's been more along the lines of 3-5 pounds a

month. Slow but steady. But throughout this period I've eaten a very high

fat (albeit low carb), NT-style diet. All fresh, whole foods, no low carb

crap junk food.

I will say I don't care for any fermented foods except now and then I get

into the mood for kimchi, and while I eat raw dairy products I can't STAND

even the idea of raw meats or eggs, so I eat those cooked. So I'm not an

extreme NT person. FWIW.

Hope this was somewhat helpful.

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

http://www.caberfeidh.com

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[Guest guest]

Weight Loss and NT?

From what I've read so far, eating this way would increase my daily

caloric intake. I noticed in the food diaries on the WAP website, most

women seemed to be eating around 3000 calories per day. I'm trying to

lose weight, not gain it. What has your experience been?

Let's see -- 10 lb. weight loss (didn't even try), no more environmental

allergies or asthma (had for 10 years), decreased depression, softer skin,

thicker hair; need I say more?

Rebekah

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 19:45:19 -0000

" Penciloid " <Penciloid@...> wrote:

> From what I've read so far, eating this way would increase my daily

> caloric intake. I noticed in the food diaries on the WAP website, most

> women seemed to be eating around 3000 calories per day. I'm trying to

> lose weight, not gain it. What has your experience been?

I think in most instances, especially if you include lots of dairy

and/or grain products in your diet, you will probably have to combine

WAP style eating, especially as it appears in _Nourishing Traditions_,

with some kind of weight loss program if that is an issue for you.

Now my experience has been that a lot of people who go straight from SAD

to NT/WAP do lose weight initially, without even trying, but that it

doesn't last and is probably the result of some detoxifying effect in

that all of a sudden the body is not burdened with having to deal with a

lot of junk like white sugar, white flour, additives, unnatural hormones,

etc. Dufty, the author of the fantastic book, Sugar Blues,

comments that once he gave up sugar he discovered that he had a chin,

LOL!.

(By the way, if you have never read _Sugar Blues_, I would do so

immediately. Regardless of how bad you *think* white sugar is, this

books brings it home in a way I haven't seen anywhere else).

There is also the idea that if you concentrate on getting healthy, then

the weight will eventually take care of itself. I think that is true to

a large extent and explains why people who have obvious problems, like

gluten intolerance, or casein intolerance, or digestive issues or

whathaveyou, lose a lot of weight when these issues are addressed. But

it can be slow going and most people want to see results on a fairly

quick basis.

Nonetheless, there are a category of folks, while taking into account

their own issues and individual body chemistries, who will need to focus

on weightloss per se, which is okay, in my opinion, if it is done within

the framework of a healthy diet.

The two dominant approaches on the list, at least among the active

posters, is lowcarbing and the Warrior Diet, both combined with

movement/activity/exercise. I have done them both. They can be fitted

beautifully with WAP principles.

I prefer the WD as it gives me the benefits of intermittent fasting on

a daily basis (without being hungry), at least according to the studies, and

allows for more in terms of carbs but that is my personal preference. If

I ever did go back to low carb, it would be on something like the

Anabolic Diet (or Metabolic Diet, which is an updated and " broader "

version of the Anabolic Diet), which is a cyclical low carb program,

more popular among athletes than it is with the general public.

Either way, if losing weight (or inches - which is just as good if not

better unless you have a lot of weight to lose) is your goal, either

approach should work fine, keeping in mind you may need to address some

other issues as well.

Hope that helps,

" This is what is meant by " sacrifice " , literally, the " making sacred "

of an animal consumed for dinner. Yet sacrifice, because it dwells

on the death, is a concept often shocking to the secular modern

Western mind - to people who calmly organize daily hecatombs

of beasts, and who are among the most death-dealing carnivores

the world has ever seen. "

Margaret Visser: The Rituals of Dinner

[Guest guest]

>> I think in most instances, especially if you include lots of dairy

and/or grain products in your diet, you will probably have to combine

WAP style eating, especially as it appears in _Nourishing Traditions_,

with some kind of weight loss program if that is an issue for you. <<

, this was a really excellent overview of NT and weight loss ...

excellent post!

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

http://www.caberfeidh.com

http://doggedblog.com

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:07:43 -0700

" Christie " <christiekeith@...> wrote:

> As to calories, and fat intake, I get around 75-80 percent of my calories

> from fat, and as long as I keep my calories in the range of 10-12 times my

> body weight, I lose weight easily.

Come on, don't you think that is a little extreme? I mean, you have to

be careful with these *high protein* low carb diets, as they can be very

harmful ;-)

> I will say I don't care for any fermented foods except now and then I get

> into the mood for kimchi,

What???!!!! No cheese, kefir, wine, beer, long fermented breads, aged

steaks, lox, sausage....goodness, how do you live?? LOL!

> and while I eat raw dairy products I can't STAND

> even the idea of raw meats or eggs, so I eat those cooked. So I'm not an

> extreme NT person. FWIW.

Well I guess such an evaluation is in the eye of the beholder as most

folks would think a diet which derives 75-80% of its calories from fat

as *very* extreme...hehehe.

The way someone got me hooked on raw/very rare meat is that they told me

to be quiet and close my eyes, they had something they wanted me to try.

Being the adventurous chap I am I followed orders.

They put a piece of very rare steak in my mouth and I couldn't believe

how GOOD it was. Of course I didn't know it was very rare until after I

ate it, LOL! The experience ranks up there with the very first time I

had a truly superior glass of wine. I couldn't believe how long I had

been slumming with the cheap stuff.

I'm with you on the eggs though, unless they are in a nice milk/kefir

shake.

" This is what is meant by " sacrifice " , literally, the " making sacred "

of an animal consumed for dinner. Yet sacrifice, because it dwells

on the death, is a concept often shocking to the secular modern

Western mind - to people who calmly organize daily hecatombs

of beasts, and who are among the most death-dealing carnivores

the world has ever seen. "

Margaret Visser: The Rituals of Dinner

[Guest guest]

> What???!!!! No cheese, kefir, wine, beer, long fermented breads, aged

> steaks, lox, sausage....goodness, how do you live?? LOL!

LOL, ok, yeah, you're right.... of course I eat cheese, I don't drink or eat

bread so that doesn't count, but SAUSAGE... oh yeah. And aged steaks.

So OK, I don't like fermented milk (no, I hate kefir and yogurt), or veggies

except now and then some kimchi. <G>

> They put a piece of very rare steak in my mouth and I couldn't believe

> how GOOD it was.

It is true that I now eat my meat much closer to rare. I used to basically

burn it, LOL, but now I do what might be called medium rare... pink in the

middle. I'm getting there. Maybe.

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

http://www.caberfeidh.com

http://doggedblog.com

[Guest guest]

>>From what I've read so far, eating this way would increase my daily

>caloric intake. I noticed in the food diaries on the WAP website, most

>women seemed to be eating around 3000 calories per day. I'm trying to

>lose weight, not gain it. What has your experience been?

My experience was that once my body was healing,

I totally didn't need (or want) as many calories. Whereas

I used to eat more fat, I didn't digest it well. And I used

to eat a lot more starches. These days I crave vegies

and fruits and good meat, but my caloric intake is probably

about 1800 calories or less. My metabolism is higher

though than it used to be: my basal temp is higher and

I rarely get cold anymore (I used to be one of those

folks who had to bundle up all the time!).

I don't eat gluten grains or dairy, and if you have to

avoid those two your calorie count will generally

be lower by default! Interestingly though, I lost

a lot of inches around my middle before I lost

any weight. The weight loss really started when I

started the Warrior Diet, which is also a MUCH

easier way to eat when you are cooking from

scratch! I.e. during the day I just don't cook ...

I eat raw stuff, or nothing at all.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Penciloid wrote:

> >From what I've read so far, eating this way would increase my daily

> caloric intake. I noticed in the food diaries on the WAP website, most

> women seemed to be eating around 3000 calories per day. I'm trying to

> lose weight, not gain it. What has your experience been?

>

>

I have gained weight since going NT. However, other factors are involved

as in the loss of a dog, my companion on long walks I no longer take,

and a history of thyroid problems in my family, although my thyroid

tests normal.