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> >Oh, I would try them if I were you.

>

> Maybe you could explain something for me, then. Homeopathy isn't

something

> I've looked into that much, but isn't the idea supposed to be that

water

> has a memory, and that if you put a substance into some water and

then

> dilute it many, many times over, the water will still " remember "

the

> substance and will yield similar results?

I have read that. I think it does make sense. Since nutrition and

biochemistry has a lot to do with how molecules fit together in a 3D

manner, if you can create a substance that contains a " hole " for

something that is needed, and the structure has enough " handles " for

it to fit into places where the critical substance is needed, perhaps

that's all that's needed to get things working together again.

> How does that square

with little

> solid pellets made of lactose and sucrose?

I don't know how the little pellets implement the " shaped hole "

concept! It doesn't seem like it would work, does it?

> Or is the liquid

dilution thing

> just one type of homeopathic remedy, completely distinct from the

pellets?

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I had greater success with the liquid remedy. It was alcohol-based

and you used it by placing it under your tongue.

The whole concept of homeopathy is to try to get the body working

properly to heal itself, rather than forcing symptoms to subside

using chemicals that affect your hydration level, or whatever.

The only time I've ever had enough discomfort to wish I had an

Instant Remedy was the one time I had a bladder infection. But the

remedy that was recommended by my MD was to drink cranberry juice!

I guess that's one reason I'm so friendly towards homeopathic

remedies.

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>Anti-spasmodic, expectorant and very good bronchial dilator. It also

>one of those herbs you can use when nothing else you are doing seems

>to be working.

Great. It seems like it'd be a really choice thing for me to have on hand

with all my lung problems. Any idea where I can get some, now that Schulze

has discontinued it?

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>Here is a great source of quality medicinal herbs:

>www.pacificbotanicals.com. I think they even have fresh ginger but you

>might want to keep some powdered ginger on hand. They sell in bulk.

Thanks. I think I will order some powdered ginger for emergencies like

this one and maybe to beef up ginger juice as suggested.

> > Looks interesting except for the fennel. Why's that in there?

>

>Like ginger it is a carminative, helpful with digestion, gas, etc.

I'm pretty sure I once read that fennel is a powerful phytoestrogen

(recommended for women, of course, ho ho) but then again I suppose an

occasional dose wouldn't do any harm.

>Tincture poured on burns and powder packed in wounds greatly

>accelerates the healing process. I prefer honey myself.

Doesn't cayenne applied to wounds and burns hurt like the dickens? I've

never actually tried honey either, as I'd be afraid of not having honey of

a high enough quality for the bad effects of the sugar to be suppressed,

but cayenne? I have to say, it sounds brutal.

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> >Here is a great source of quality medicinal herbs:

> >www.pacificbotanicals.com. I think they even have fresh ginger but you

> >might want to keep some powdered ginger on hand. They sell in bulk.

>

> Thanks. I think I will order some powdered ginger for emergencies like

> this one and maybe to beef up ginger juice as suggested.

>

> > > Looks interesting except for the fennel. Why's that in there?

> >

> >Like ginger it is a carminative, helpful with digestion, gas, etc.

>

> I'm pretty sure I once read that fennel is a powerful phytoestrogen

> (recommended for women, of course, ho ho) but then again I suppose an

> occasional dose wouldn't do any harm.

>

> >Tincture poured on burns and powder packed in wounds greatly

> >accelerates the healing process. I prefer honey myself.

>

> Doesn't cayenne applied to wounds and burns hurt like the dickens?

I've

> never actually tried honey either, as I'd be afraid of not having

honey of

> a high enough quality for the bad effects of the sugar to be

suppressed,

> but cayenne? I have to say, it sounds brutal.

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Here's a link-y to some of Dr. Schulze's formulas with instructions

for use and further links on how to make yourself. Pretty cool.

http://healingtools.tripod.com/thns14.html

You might want to add on to your herbal order, just sayin'.

Cayenne does sound brutal--but effective. Hopefully no one will have

occasion to try it.

B.

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On 8/11/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Naomi-

>

> >Hope you are doing better by now. If not, have you tried any

> >homeopathic remedies?

>

> I confess that skepticism has kept me from ever trying any homeopathic

> remedies.

>

>

I understand your skepticism—I had the same misgivings when I was

trying it out 15-odd years ago. I used to suffer from recurrent

bladder infections in my early 20s, and was going to the doctor a lot

for antibiotics and meds. Homeopathy put an end to that cycle. It's

helped me recover from surgery quickly, I've given it to my cats, and

my daughter gets dosed with Arnica frequently for her bumps and

bruises (which it prevents in injuries if given soon enough). If I

didn't give it to her, she would be black and blue all over! Nutrition

helps 98% of the problems that homeopathy cures, but sometimes I need

that immune system boost quickly, and the remedies work even quicker

than regular herbs in a lot of cases. Not only that, it's more

convenient than schlepping a bunch of herbal tinctures when you're out

and about.

Someday science will advance enough to explain why and how it works,

but probably not soon since it's cheap and not patentable.

Naomi

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On 8/11/05, <toyotaokiec@...> wrote:

> From what I have seen, therefore, they shouldn't hurt you if you

> don't need them, and they can really help if you do need them. Of

> course, the choice of remedy can determine whether you see an

> improvement or not.

>

The quickest and best improvement comes when you take a single remedy

for your problem; for some problems, you have to see a homeopath. For

allergies, my ex-husband found that the bioAllers brand, which is a

combination of remedies, worked the best. The first time he took it

regularly, he had to take it every day for a few months (during a

particularly bad hay fever season). The following spring, he had only

a few allergy episodes. Then the following few years, he had no

symptoms at all. And this is someone who was allergic to everything. I

was tempted to get him a HazMat suit, I swear!

Naomi

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On 8/11/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

>

> Homeopathy isn't something

> I've looked into that much, but isn't the idea supposed to be that water

> has a memory, and that if you put a substance into some water and then

> dilute it many, many times over, the water will still " remember " the

> substance and will yield similar results?

Something like that. An herbal tincture is mixed with alcohol, and

shaken up a number of times. Then some of this liquid is mixed again

with more alcohol, and shaken up some more. The more diluted it is,

paradoxically the more powerful it becomes.

> How does that square with little

> solid pellets made of lactose and sucrose? Or is the liquid dilution thing

> just one type of homeopathic remedy, completely distinct from the pellets?

The liquid is mixed with lactose to make the pellets. There's also

homeopathic ointments, creams, and sprays (Arnica spray is great for

bruises and muscle soreness).

Here's a good article on how they're made:

http://www.healthynewage.com/what-is-homeopathy.htm

Naomi

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Naomi-

>Something like that. An herbal tincture is mixed with alcohol, and

>shaken up a number of times. Then some of this liquid is mixed again

>with more alcohol, and shaken up some more. The more diluted it is,

>paradoxically the more powerful it becomes.

Well, I hope you'll forgive my skepticism, but they _say_ it becomes more

powerful with dilution. It sounds more than a bit questionable to me. Has

anyone ever done any real animal testing? I know the selection of

homeopathic medications is supposed to be a highly individual thing,

meaning that a whole cohort of animals with problem X treated with

homeopathy remedy Y wouldn't necessarily resemble the real-world

applications of the discipline, but surely homeopathic vets could be found

to administer such studies, no?

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> The only time I've ever had enough discomfort to wish I had an

> Instant Remedy was the one time I had a bladder infection. But the

> remedy that was recommended by my MD was to drink cranberry juice!

Cranberry juice helps, but it has to be pure cranberry juice, which is

quite expensive. The unsweetened kind is not very palatable, but I've

never tried mixing it with stevia.

For bladder infections, I used to use Cantharis. It cured my cystitis,

and offered instant relief of symptoms (it even works on my

cats†" one

of them is very prone to get bladder infections, to the point of

bleeding).

However, I think there are a few other remedies for it, so it depends

on your symptoms. The single remedies, when they're the right ones,

often work instantly.

Naomi

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--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

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> Well, I hope you'll forgive my skepticism, but they _say_ it becomes

more

> powerful with dilution. It sounds more than a bit questionable to

me. Has

> anyone ever done any real animal testing? I know the selection of

> homeopathic medications is supposed to be a highly individual

thing,

> meaning that a whole cohort of animals with problem X treated with

> homeopathy remedy Y wouldn't necessarily resemble the real-world

> applications of the discipline, but surely homeopathic vets could be

found

> to administer such studies, no?

>

>

There have been a lot of studies done on people *and* animals, but I

don't know if they're good enough to prove the efficacy of homeopathy

to those who are skeptical. I tried doing a Google search, but my dd

is either hanging all over me like a monkey or running amok getting

into my books and papers, making it impossible to concentrate. I've

been writing this one message for about 30 minutes!

One of the difficulties in setting up a study is that problem X, say

a cold, is experienced differently for people. For example, one person

will get a cold and feel very feverish and headache-y, while

another's cold manifests as frequent sneezing with chills. These would

require different remedies, even if they both have the " same " problem.

In one of my homeopathy book, there's 14 remedies listed for a cold,

all depending on the symptoms.

BTW, hope you are feeling better.

Naomi

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Naomi-

>One of the difficulties in setting up a study is that problem X, say

>a cold, is experienced differently for people. For example, one person

>will get a cold and feel very feverish and headache-y, while

>another's cold manifests as frequent sneezing with chills. These would

>require different remedies, even if they both have the " same " problem.

>In one of my homeopathy book, there's 14 remedies listed for a cold,

>all depending on the symptoms.

Yeah, that's why I suggested that animal studies would have to be done with

homeopathic vets who'd treat animals in the treatment cohort

accordingly. I guess that would require a much larger study, in order get

enough animals getting each kind of treatment, and very specific

information would have to be kept about symptoms, but I don't see why it

couldn't be done.

>BTW, hope you are feeling better.

Thanks! Whether it's coincidence (or the power of suggestion) or Dr.

Schulze's Echinacea Plus is really as powerful as says, I'm feeling

like a whole new person. Still tired (as if I could be otherwise at this

point), but my throat is so much less sore that swallowing food was merely

an irritation, not a trial by fire, and full of energy despite the

exhaustion. I've been running around doing things nonstop for the first

time since Monday, and I might even be able to go to the farmers market

tomorrow, which would be good, as an unexplained absence on my part would

kind of suck for people I can't get in touch with who are saving things for

me. Everything that was troubling me seems to have gotten a lot better,

though nothing's entirely gone yet.

For anyone who's interested, I took half a bottle of E+ over the course of,

I don't know, maybe half an hour, and then I stopped. I got to thinking

that if I DO go to the market tomorrow (which might be a terrible idea, but

I'll have to see how I feel in the morning) I might need more afterwards to

keep me from backsliding, though of course it's hard to know whether I'm

playing things worse by having less today than by keeping some for

tomorrow. I had been mending slightly before taking it, but the temporal

connection between starting to use it and starting to feel really

dramatically better is so tight that it's hard for me to believe it's

coincidence. I wonder how effective it would've been if taken at the very

worst I've been over the past few days, though.

At any rate, when I got up this morning I felt like there was no end in

sight. Now I almost feel like I'm there.

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On 8/12/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

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> >Anti-spasmodic, expectorant and very good bronchial dilator. It also

> >one of those herbs you can use when nothing else you are doing seems

> >to be working.

>

> Great. It seems like it'd be a really choice thing for me to have on hand

> with all my lung problems. Any idea where I can get some, now that Schulze

> has discontinued it?

I will check around but I think you might be out of luck.

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>I will check around but I think you might be out of luck.

Nertz. Maybe I'll order one of his lung formula tinctures then. It's not

listed on the site, but the guy I spoke to on the phone mentioned it. IIRC

it has lobelia in it along with a bunch of other stuff.

BTW, as I mentioned yesterday, the E+ helped a lot, but it wasn't quite the

miracle I initially thought it was. Awhile after I took half a bottle, I

backslid appreciably. My throat started hurting a lot more, though not

nearly as much as it had, and in general I felt a lot more run down. The

burst of energy I'd had deserted me entirely. So I drank the rest of the

bottle, figuring I'd let today take care of itself, and I did recover some

of the lost ground, but again, much of those gains were temporary. I'm

wondering whether some of it was just the anaesthetizing effect of alcohol,

though that certainly wouldn't account for a burst of energy. It did make

me regret not getting a second bottle to take the full dose you

recommended. Anyway, despite the disappointment, I got my first decent

night's sleep since Monday, waking up only once or twice and getting back

to sleep easily instead of waking every couple minutes and often being

unable to get to sleep at all for long stretches at a time. So I am a

convert, but his stuff doesn't seem to have quite the miraculous powers I'd

at first hoped -- though to be fair I didn't take the full dose you

recommended, either.

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>Here is a great source of quality medicinal herbs:

>www.pacificbotanicals.com. I think they even have fresh ginger but you

>might want to keep some powdered ginger on hand. They sell in bulk.

Turns out they have lobelia in their current catalog. They have the dried

herb in seed stage, though I don't know whether that means the whole plant,

they have whole seeds, and during the summer they may have fresh

plants. Which do you recommend and in what quantity to make a tincture?

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Stossel did a segment where they tested homeopathic remedies. I

don't remember whether it was animal or human or what it was, but I do

remember that they had on video a bunch of homeopaths who certified

that the study had been set up appropriately, and then at the end when

they found no efficacy, the homeopaths were saying the study was

flawed.

It made them look pretty stupid. On the other hand, it's pretty easy

to manipulate someone's message through editing.

Personally, my skepticism prevents me from spending money on them, but

if they're around the house and I didn't pay for them, I generally

find them to be moderately effective for myself.

Chris

--

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Find out what your doctor isn't telling you:

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On 8/12/05, wrote:

I've been running around doing things nonstop for the first

time since Monday,

On 8/13/05, wrote:

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>

>

> BTW, as I mentioned yesterday, the E+ helped a lot, but it wasn't quite

> the

> miracle I initially thought it was. Awhile after I took half a bottle, I

> backslid appreciably. My throat started hurting a lot more, though not

> nearly as much as it had, and in general I felt a lot more run down. The

> burst of energy I'd had deserted me entirely.

Jeez, , I hope you've had a chance to relax a bit! Give the Echinacea a

chance to work, for goodness sakes.

Naomi

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On 8/13/05, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

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>

>

> Stossel did a segment where they tested homeopathic remedies. I

> don't remember whether it was animal or human or what it was, but I do

> remember that they had on video a bunch of homeopaths who certified

> that the study had been set up appropriately, and then at the end when

> they found no efficacy, the homeopaths were saying the study was

> flawed.

>

> It made them look pretty stupid. On the other hand, it's pretty easy

> to manipulate someone's message through editing.

Well, it didn't work because instead of replicating the earlier positive

studies like they were supposed to, they used ammonium chloride, which

destroys basophils (the white blood cell that was under study), which wasn't

used in the original ones, among other problems.

http://www.townsendletter.com/July2004/shorts0704.ht

" Stossel Takes on Homeopathy "

http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/media/2020_response_critique.php

" Stossel and 20/20's Program on Homeopathy: Junk Science Creates Junk

Journalism

When TV Science Creates Science Fiction "

This is a thorough review of that segment, and includes the pros and cons of

the facts presented. The references show some positive studies on

homeopathy. One of the latest from RHEUMATOLOGY is " Improved clinical status

in fibromyalgia patients treated with individualized homeopathic remedies

versus placebo. "

I thought this was a good point:

" 20/20 didn't acknowledge that although we don't know precisely how

homeopathic medicines work, we also do not presently know how many common

drugs work, including many used for anesthesia in surgery. " Isn't this true

for a lot of herbs, too?

Personally, my skepticism prevents me from spending money on them, but

> if they're around the house and I didn't pay for them, I generally

> find them to be moderately effective for myself.

What, you just have a bunch of bottles of homeopathic tablets lying around?

Lucky!

This may increase your skepticism, but be sure they're not sitting next to

bottles of perfume or essential oils, as this can compromise quality. It

also helps to take them with a clean mouth, which means 15 minutes before or

after you eat or drink something (other than water). And you do know that

you shouldn't touch them with your hands, right? Okay, is that enough

information, LOL?

Naomi

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Chris-

> Stossel did a segment where they tested homeopathic remedies. I

>don't remember whether it was animal or human or what it was, but I do

>remember that they had on video a bunch of homeopaths who certified

>that the study had been set up appropriately, and then at the end when

>they found no efficacy, the homeopaths were saying the study was

>flawed.

>

>It made them look pretty stupid. On the other hand, it's pretty easy

>to manipulate someone's message through editing.

Editing can accomplish a lot, but still, if they signed off on the study

and then changed their tune, that's not very encouraging.

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>> Stossel did a segment where they tested homeopathic remedies. I

>> don't remember whether it was animal or human or what it was, but I do

>> remember that they had on video a bunch of homeopaths who certified

>> that the study had been set up appropriately, and then at the end when

>> they found no efficacy, the homeopaths were saying the study was

>> flawed.

>>

>> It made them look pretty stupid. On the other hand, it's pretty easy

>> to manipulate someone's message through editing.

>

> Editing can accomplish a lot, but still, if they signed off on the

> study

> and then changed their tune, that's not very encouraging.

The thing is, though, I wouldn't trust Stossel to tell me what

time it is.

Lynn S.

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Lynn-

>The thing is, though, I wouldn't trust Stossel to tell me what

>time it is.

Me neither, but he wasn't the one signing off on the experiment.

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On 8/13/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

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> >Here is a great source of quality medicinal herbs:

> >www.pacificbotanicals.com. I think they even have fresh ginger but you

> >might want to keep some powdered ginger on hand. They sell in bulk.

>

> Turns out they have lobelia in their current catalog. They have the dried

> herb in seed stage, though I don't know whether that means the whole plant,

> they have whole seeds, and during the summer they may have fresh

> plants. Which do you recommend and in what quantity to make a tincture?

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I think gave a very good answer to this. If you didn't see it I

will paste and copy. The only thing I would add is to do the procedure

twice, unless you are in a real hurry.