Re: Help needed: major mold exposure

[Guest guest]

On 8/8/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> My question, therefore, is this: can any of you suggest ways to get back on

> my feet in the shortest possible time? I'm drinking lots of water and I'm

> going to have some chamomile tea (it's the best I could do as I have no

> ginger and the small amount of ginger juice I have is old and never

> should've been dignified by the name in the first place) but I don't know

> what else to do.

>

> Any help would be much appreciated, but I can't afford to go on any kind of

> fast or debilitating cleansing routine at the moment. I have a lot of

> writing to do and it all has to be done yesterday, or better yet a couple

> years ago.

>

Yikes ! I hope that movie was worth it!!

This won't help immediately but IMO every home should have a first aid

kit that contains Echinacea Plus (the root and flower, garlic, ginger,

and cayenne), lobelia, cayenne tincture, clay/charcoal of some sort,

and some kind of topical anti-infection tincture.

In situations like this a whole bottle of Echinacea Plus taken all at

once does absolutely wonderful things, from unexpected exposure to

mold to massive bee stings.

In lieu of that can you get some more ginger? I'm assuming you are in

for the evening and that you will have to run out to the store in the

morning. An equal parts combo of ginger juice, garlic juice, habenero

juice, and onion juice in a base of apple cider vinegar either drunk

with water or mixed into some homemade tomato juice will give you an

instant boost. Drink a full two ounces or more and wait an hour. Then

depending on how you feel take a little bit each hour on the hour.

That should help. Beware though, even homemade its strong stuff,

though not quite as potent in boosting the immune system as the

echinacea plus formula, so your mileage may vary.

[Guest guest]

Help needed: major mold exposure

I took my mom to see " Dersu Uzala " tonight, and unfortunately, the

Anthology Film Archives, despite the nobility of their mission, needs to be

condemned....it's extremely moldy.

....So now I feel like I was run over by a tank. Interestingly, my nose and

lungs are doing pretty well. They're usually the first to go when exposed

to mold, but maybe the calcium d-glucarate I've been taking lately has

helped. Unfortunately, everything else is miserable. My eyes are

bloodshot, my throat is sore, I have a pounding headache, and my whole body

aches....can any of you suggest ways to get back on

my feet in the shortest possible time?

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,

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Best,

Nenah

[Guest guest]

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>Yikes ! I hope that movie was worth it!!

Inasmuch as I still feel like I'm dead, I guess it wasn't, though it's such

a wonderful film that I have a hard time really believing that,

particularly if your advice can get me back on my feet pronto..

>This won't help immediately but IMO every home should have a first aid

>kit that contains Echinacea Plus (the root and flower, garlic, ginger,

>and cayenne), lobelia, cayenne tincture, clay/charcoal of some sort,

>and some kind of topical anti-infection tincture.

Echinacea Plus is Schulze's?

Jeez, that's not cheap! How long does it last? I virtually never get

sick, so I'm not sure when I'd next need it. If I go for a few weeks with

only a few hours of sleep a night I'll finally get worn down enough to

succumb to a cold or something, and mold obviously takes it out of me

bigtime, but other than that, I'm not sure when I'd have occasion to use it.

I'd be willing to get that stuff, though, as I'm a big believer in having

useful things on hand, but his site is absurd! The link for the lobelia

tincture, for example, pops me back out to the home page, and it's nowhere

to be found in the store section.

>In lieu of that can you get some more ginger? I'm assuming you are in

>for the evening and that you will have to run out to the store in the

>morning.

I might be able to, but getting decent ginger in Manhattan is a tricky

thing. Whole Foods never has it -- they shrink-wrap their organic ginger

because it's always moldy. Fairway, which is a bit of a trip, has an open

bin of organic ginger, but sometimes even the mold-free stuff is anemic to

the point of absurdity. That's why the ginger juice I do have is so

weak. Maybe I'll just take all that's left, though.

> An equal parts combo of ginger juice, garlic juice, habenero

>juice, and onion juice in a base of apple cider vinegar either drunk

>with water or mixed into some homemade tomato juice will give you an

>instant boost. Drink a full two ounces or more and wait an hour. Then

>depending on how you feel take a little bit each hour on the hour.

>That should help. Beware though, even homemade its strong stuff,

>though not quite as potent in boosting the immune system as the

>echinacea plus formula, so your mileage may vary.

I will give it a try.

Thanks very much for the suggestions, . Very much appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

....getting decent ginger in Manhattan is a tricky

> thing. Whole Foods never has it -- they shrink-wrap their organic

ginger

> because it's always moldy. Fairway, which is a bit of a trip, has

an open

> bin of organic ginger, but sometimes even the mold-free stuff is

anemic to

> the point of absurdity. That's why the ginger juice I do have is so

> weak...

,

You can't procure decent fresh ginger in Manhattan? Beastly! I

question why you would take on the expense of a premium juicer?

You know, good dried ginger is no slouch, and has many merits of its

own. It is actually preferred over dried ginger in cases of

asthma/mucus. (wait, do you have a dry asthma?) In fact, a marvelous

thing to oomph-up anemic ginger juice would be to blend it with ginger

powder into pastilles and eat them.

Further, there is a classic Ayurvedic formula for your complaints

called " trikatu " that you might consider. It is specifically for

increasing gastric fire and burning up mucus/toxins. Equal parts

black pepper/ginger/long pepper. Here is a description:

http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/products/trikatu.htm

Though I don't suggest ordering it in caps but better as the loose

powder/spice; it's important for the tongue to taste it. It is

traditionally taken three times daily about a teaspoon blended into a

paste with a bit of honey, but one can certainly use hot water instead.

If you decide to try it, I recommend ordering bulk here:

http://207.188.144.45/products/ayurvedic_herbs.html

because they make it on site and have a very high turnover.

B.

[Guest guest]

On 8/9/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> -

>

> >Yikes ! I hope that movie was worth it!!

>

> Inasmuch as I still feel like I'm dead, I guess it wasn't, though it's such

> a wonderful film that I have a hard time really believing that,

> particularly if your advice can get me back on my feet pronto.

Great description of the film by the way. I will have to check it out.

> >This won't help immediately but IMO every home should have a first aid

> >kit that contains Echinacea Plus (the root and flower, garlic, ginger,

> >and cayenne), lobelia, cayenne tincture, clay/charcoal of some sort,

> >and some kind of topical anti-infection tincture.

>

> Echinacea Plus is Schulze's?

Yes it is.

> Jeez, that's not cheap! How long does it last?

No its not! But this is one of those times where the " get what you pay

for " is absolutely true.

Imagine a gallon container if you will. The average herbalist will

fill that container about 40% full with herbs and the fill it to the

top with alcohol. They will let it steep for a few days and then drain

the liquid out and bottle it. The source herbs are usually crappy and

the resultant tincture not very effective. So somebody buys this stuff

in a store, uses it in small amounts, it does nothing for them, and

then they walk away thinking herbs are useless when in reality it was

the formulation that was the problem. On top of that they try to use

the herbs like medicine, i.e. pop a few capsules or take a few

swallows and the ailment goes away without any other changes. Herbs

are hit and miss this way and even when they hit it is usually

temporary.

On the other hand, Schulze takes that same gallon container and fills

it to the top with herbs and then pours the alcohol into the bottle.

So you are starting off with 60% more herbs and usually his source

quality is top notch. Then he lets it steep for two weeks at which

point he fills another gallon jar with herbs, pours that two week

liquid into that, and then tops it off. So now we are at 160% more

herbs than the average tinture. He lets that sit for another two weeks

and then presses out the liquid using a special made hydraulic herb

press. That is what you are paying for and it makes a world of

difference.

Since you can't get ginger in your neck of the woods you should try

his digestive tonic sometime. The quality and strength of the ginger

in the tincture will knock your socks off.

As for how long the formula will last? It will last quite a while if

you use it as a tonic for the occasional cold or cleanse, but if you

use it when hit massively by something (like mold or flu) then it will

go in a hurry. In that scenario you drink a whole bottle at once and

then take a couple of dropperfuls (about 70 drops) every hour until

the next bottle is gone.

> I virtually never get

> sick, so I'm not sure when I'd next need it. If I go for a few weeks with

> only a few hours of sleep a night I'll finally get worn down enough to

> succumb to a cold or something, and mold obviously takes it out of me

> bigtime, but other than that, I'm not sure when I'd have occasion to use it.

>

> I'd be willing to get that stuff, though, as I'm a big believer in having

> useful things on hand, but his site is absurd! The link for the lobelia

> tincture, for example, pops me back out to the home page, and it's nowhere

> to be found in the store section.

Yes the site as both you and have noted is very poorly done. The

problem is that unless you are willing to make your own stuff it is

very difficult to purchase herbal tinctures that are strong and

effective so he is about the best game in town. However I did find a

locally made echinacea plus tincture in my area that was pretty good.

I don't know what the deal is with the lobelia, but it also the main

ingredient in his nerve formula, so you can get it going that route.

As for keeping things on hand, IMO, no one should be without

clay/charcoal or without cayenne tinture, which is a great emergency

herb for heart attacks/stroke, bleeding, even burns...yes...burns.

> >In lieu of that can you get some more ginger? I'm assuming you are in

> >for the evening and that you will have to run out to the store in the

> >morning.

>

> I might be able to, but getting decent ginger in Manhattan is a tricky

> thing. Whole Foods never has it -- they shrink-wrap their organic ginger

> because it's always moldy. Fairway, which is a bit of a trip, has an open

> bin of organic ginger, but sometimes even the mold-free stuff is anemic to

> the point of absurdity. That's why the ginger juice I do have is so

> weak. Maybe I'll just take all that's left, though.

>

> > An equal parts combo of ginger juice, garlic juice, habenero

> >juice, and onion juice in a base of apple cider vinegar either drunk

> >with water or mixed into some homemade tomato juice will give you an

> >instant boost. Drink a full two ounces or more and wait an hour. Then

> >depending on how you feel take a little bit each hour on the hour.

> >That should help. Beware though, even homemade its strong stuff,

> >though not quite as potent in boosting the immune system as the

> >echinacea plus formula, so your mileage may vary.

>

> I will give it a try.

>

> Thanks very much for the suggestions, . Very much appreciated.

No problemo. What I describe above is also tinctured by Schulze (its

called SuperTonic) but because it is all herbs/food that are easy to

buy in the store, making it at home is not much of problem if you have

a good juicer.

[Guest guest]

On 8/9/05, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

> > Echinacea Plus is Schulze's?

Oh by the way, be prepared when you get his material for the heavy

anti-animal food bias in his writings, to put it mildly :-)

[Guest guest]

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>Oh by the way, be prepared when you get his material for the heavy

>anti-animal food bias in his writings, to put it mildly :-)

Yeah, I've noticed. <g> As with everything, take the good, ignore the bad.

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[Guest guest]

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>Great description of the film by the way. I will have to check it out.

I don't know your tastes in film from Adam, but I can't help but think

you'll love it. It's marvelous.

>Imagine a gallon container if you will. The average herbalist will

>fill that container about 40% full with herbs and the fill it to the

>top with alcohol.

I've read his spiel, and assuming he's telling the truth I can certainly

see why his stuff costs what it does.

>Since you can't get ginger in your neck of the woods

Well, I can, just not reliably. Sometimes Fairway has decent ginger, other

times it's awful, and I'm sure it never reaches the lofty heights of " good "

or " excellent " .

>you should try

>his digestive tonic sometime. The quality and strength of the ginger

>in the tincture will knock your socks off.

Looks interesting except for the fennel. Why's that in there?

>As for keeping things on hand, IMO, no one should be without

>clay/charcoal or without cayenne tinture, which is a great emergency

>herb for heart attacks/stroke, bleeding, even burns...yes...burns.

Cayenne for burns? Do tell.

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[Guest guest]

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>You can't procure decent fresh ginger in Manhattan? Beastly! I

>question why you would take on the expense of a premium juicer?

I can sometimes, just not reliably. I tend to stock up when it's

good. (Or decent, anyway.)

>You know, good dried ginger is no slouch, and has many merits of its

>own. It is actually preferred over dried ginger in cases of

>asthma/mucus. (wait, do you have a dry asthma?)

My asthma is definitely dry. Would dried ginger not be so desirable, then?

Assuming it would help, can you recommend a good source?

>Further, there is a classic Ayurvedic formula for your complaints

>called " trikatu " that you might consider. It is specifically for

>increasing gastric fire and burning up mucus/toxins. Equal parts

>black pepper/ginger/long pepper. Here is a description:

Hmm, looks interesting. Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of downwardog7

>

>Further, there is a classic Ayurvedic formula for your complaints

>called " trikatu " that you might consider. It is specifically for

>increasing gastric fire and burning up mucus/toxins. Equal parts

>black pepper/ginger/long pepper. Here is a description:

>

,

I'm so wary of Ayurvedic formulas these days! Last year, I think it was,

someone posted a link to a study in which it was found that the majority

(IIRC) of ayurvedic formulas that were bought from retailers and tested

contained lead and/or other heavy metals because, IIRC, these metals are

part of the formulations. They are considered necessary for some reason or

other I don't recall in Ayurveda. My memory is hazy on the details but I do

remember that many formulations contained heavy metals.

I used to take an ayurvedic formula regularly (LiverCare) so I wrote the

manufacturer after reading the article, asking if they included heavy metals

in their formulas and they never got back to me. Maybe just an email glitch,

but I can't help wondering....

Do you know anything about this?

Suze Fisher

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>I don't know what the deal is with the lobelia, but it also the main

>ingredient in his nerve formula, so you can get it going that route.

Turns out they've discontinued the lobelia tincture. Too much heat from

the FDA, supposedly.

As to the nerve formula, there's all sorts of other stuff:

>>Valerian root, Valeriana officinalis, Lobelia seed pods, Lobelia inflata,

>>Passionflower herb, Passiflora incarnata, Hops flower, Humulus lupulus,

>>Black Cohosh root, Cimicifuga racemosa, Blue Cohosh root, Caulophyllum

>>thalictroides, Skullcap herb, Scutellaria lateriflora, and Wild Yam

>>rhizome, Dioscorea villosa root.

I'm curious, though, about what you recommend lobelia for that makes it

worth keeping on hand as part of a first aid / emergency kit.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Here is what Kaufmann says:

" I'd immediately know how important the Phase One Diet is for the

next 30 days +/-....Begin rotating fungistatin (nystatin) and

fungicidal (herbs, botanical oils, Olive leaf, Diflucan, etc...)

products ASAP.....Probiotics will competitively inhibit binding of

mycotoxins in the gut and should help the gut symptoms

immediately...Start juicing with greens (chlorophyll) ASAP

in an effort to help detox the circulatory stream (blood, cells,

etc....) of mycotoxins.

" This happened to me a few years ago after going into a " fixer " house

that Ruth and I thought about buying. Interestingly, the owners had

died there---both of " natural causes. " I guess mold is natural!

" Knocking out fungus the 2nd time around is tougher than the first

and the 3rd time is tougher than the 2nd.....be careful of exposure,

per Leviticus 14:33-60 "

P.S. He doesn't mention bentonite clay, but I understand it also

binds to mycotoxins and carries them out of the body.

--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

wrote:

> So now I feel like I was run over by a tank. Interestingly, my

nose and

> lungs are doing pretty well. They're usually the first to go when

exposed

> to mold, but maybe the calcium d-glucarate I've been taking lately

has

> helped. Unfortunately, everything else is miserable. My eyes are

> bloodshot, my throat is sore, I have a pounding headache, and my

whole body

> aches. I'm sure it didn't help any that I'd done an intense

workout with

> a new record number of squats shortly before going to the movie,

and

> yesterday's mysterious diarrhea was doubtless just one more nail in

the coffin.

>

> My question, therefore, is this: can any of you suggest ways to get

back on

> my feet in the shortest possible time? I'm drinking lots of water

and I'm

> going to have some chamomile tea (it's the best I could do as I

have no

> ginger and the small amount of ginger juice I have is old and never

> should've been dignified by the name in the first place) but I

don't know

> what else to do.

>

> Any help would be much appreciated, but I can't afford to go on any

kind of

> fast or debilitating cleansing routine at the moment. I have a lot

of

> writing to do and it all has to be done yesterday, or better yet a

couple

> years ago.

>

> Incidentally, if you ever get the opportunity to see " Dersu Uzala " ,

> do. It's the best Kurosawa film I've ever seen, and I think I've

seen most

> of them. It's mostly unsung and unknown because he went to the

USSR to

> film it back in '75, but it did win the Academy's Best Foreign Film

> in 1976, and I'm sure deservedly so. Rather than wear myself out

any more

> and delay the shower I'm about to take to wash off as much mold as

I can,

> I'll just give you Netflix's description.

>

> >A party of Russian soldiers hires aged hunter Dersu Uzala (Maksim

Munzuk)

> >to guide them on a surveying expedition through Siberia in the

early 20th

> >century. Uzala leads the group through life-threatening conditions

with

> >reverential wisdom and concern for his surroundings. Based on true

> >memoirs, Akira Kurosawa's Academy Award-winning production is a

testament

> >to the value of lasting friendship, loyalty and mutual respect.

>

> It should be fascinating for anyone interested in traditional

living and

> that domain of history, and it also has one of the most beautiful

> treatments of friendship I've ever seen on screen. Some of the

creeps in

> the audience seemed to think the bond between Uzala and Arseniev

(the

> captain of the Russian explorers) was hugely funny (is any

affection

> between men taking as gay and a sign of weakness? I can't think of

any

> other explanation) but never mind that. The pace is slightly

meditative at

> times (not a problem in my book, but viewer be warned) but the

scenery and

> cinematography are magnificent, the writing and direction are

exquisite,

> the acting is fantastic, the story is immensely moving, and I can't

> recommend it highly enough, even if you have to watch it on Image's

> mediocre and non-anamorphic DVD, which is, as I mentioned earlier,

is

> available at Netflix and well worth renting.

>

> OK, into the shower now for real, and TIA,

>

>

>

> -

[Guest guest]

> I'm so wary of Ayurvedic formulas these days! Last year, I think it was,

> someone posted a link to a study in which it was found that the majority

> (IIRC) of ayurvedic formulas that were bought from retailers and tested

> contained lead and/or other heavy metals because, IIRC, these metals are

> part of the formulations. They are considered necessary for some

reason or

> other I don't recall in Ayurveda. My memory is hazy on the details

but I do

> remember that many formulations contained heavy metals.

>

> I used to take an ayurvedic formula regularly (LiverCare) so I wrote the

> manufacturer after reading the article, asking if they included

heavy metals

> in their formulas and they never got back to me. Maybe just an email

glitch,

> but I can't help wondering....

>

> Do you know anything about this?

Suze,

There shouldn't be heavy metals in any Ayurvedic herbal formulations

one can buy in this country--or elsewhere AFAIK. Herbal Ayurvedic

formulas are the same as any other herbal formulae--made from

herbs--and one wants to source the highest quality. Buying stuff off

the shelf can be risky in any venture.

There is a distinct category of remedies called " bhasma " which are

specially prepared ash of minerals/metals--supposedly made inert--but

they are not legal here neither should they be available at any

retailers--unless they meet FDA guidelines. (Nor should they be toxic,

but would have their heavy metal composition listed on the label

regardless and that should prevent them from being imported.)

(I would not hesitate to use one if indicated, provided I trusted the

source--and the one prescribing it--but that's my thing.)

Oh, here's a good response to the JAMA article:

http://www.loaj.com/articles/ayurvedic_metals.html

Here's another, with a couple of poor mercury analogies:

http://www.layogamagazine.com/issue17/Departments/ayurvedfa.htm

Some highlights:

" It is important to note the products tested. The authors collected

herbal products within 20 miles from Boston City Hall. Rather than

examine legitimate products meeting legal guidelines found on the

shelves of health food stores, they scoured Indian grocery stores and

South Asian markets. Many could be described as " things in brown paper

bags, covered in dust, brought over from India in a backpack, " ...

A variety of products were tested in the study. While some were

exclusively herbal products, others were alchemical preparations,

containing bhasmas, or specially prepared mineral ash from metals and

other medicinal substances. The Ayurvedic science of rasa shastra is

the complex preparation of these products. According to Ayurvedic

tradition, metals such as mercury, lead or arsenic are strong

effective medicines when manufactured and recommended appropriately.

These products represent some of the strongest Ayurvedic remedies

available, and are not to be used lightly. Taking one off the counter

or brought over from India without the appropriate follow-up by a

well-trained physician or practitioner is similar to blindly

self-medicating with prescription-strength pharmaceuticals. These

products are much stronger than vitamins or traditional herbs like

ashwagandha or triphala. Ayurvedic products sold over-the-counter at

health food stores by reputable American-based companies do not

contain bhasmas or alchemical preparations.

Since the authors tested both preparations containing bhasmas in the

same survey as strictly herbal products, the data was skewed. Roy

Upton, Director of the American Herbal Pharmacopoeia, stated that it

would be more appropriate to test products without bhasmas in order to

obtain accurate information about heavy metal contamination. "

In a nutshell, the Harvard study appears distorted, based on a

misunderstanding of what they were dealing with.

a) Ignorance re: herbal vs. bhasma

analyzed content by reading labels, didn't actually test for toxicity.

c) 20% is not a majority.

d) buying low-price/low quality products off-the-shelf from Asian

corner-stores and making assumptions about the whole supp. industry.

The formula you were taking was probably safe.

It is true that old-school Ayurveda in India is much more barbaric

than what is found here. We have a very nicey-nice/spa-identified

" baby " version.

It is also true that most Ayurvedic practitioners in India now have a

Western/allopathic slant. Someone with a traditional style and

knowledge is uncommon. Ayurveda is not Ayurveda, as you might say.

FWIW bhasmas were introduced by the Unani practitioners during the

Muslim conquest and later integrated into Ayurveda.

B.

[Guest guest]

> My asthma is definitely dry. Would dried ginger not be so

desirable, then?

Dried ginger is fine, I just got mixed up.

> Assuming it would help, can you recommend a good source?

Never used them, but everyone seems to like:

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/bulkherb/g.php

B.

[Guest guest]

,

> So now I feel like I was run over by a tank. Interestingly, my nose and

> lungs are doing pretty well. They're usually the first to go when exposed

> to mold, but maybe the calcium d-glucarate I've been taking lately has

> helped. Unfortunately, everything else is miserable. My eyes are

> bloodshot, my throat is sore, I have a pounding headache, and my whole body

> aches.

>

> My question, therefore, is this: can any of you suggest ways to get back on

> my feet in the shortest possible time?

Hope you are doing better by now. If not, have you tried any

homeopathic remedies? BioAllers makes some great combinations. My

ex-husband used to be allergic to everything, and I encouraged him to

abandon his OTC meds and try some homeopathy. It worked wonders and he

could even have a cat in the house without feeling wheezy and itchy.

There's a formula, " Mold/Yeast/Dust " that should do the trick:

" temporary relief of congestion, headaches, sore throat, watery eyes,

sneezing and itching related to mold, dust and yeast allergies. "

http://tinyurl.com/axeyp

The only caveat is that you have to be consistent, and use it every

few hours until you feel better. On the bright side, if you use it

regularly, you can be free of your symptoms for a long time (in my

ex's case, a year or more). It's only nine bucks, too.

Thanks for the movie recommendation. It's on my Netflix queue!

Naomi

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>> Do you know anything about this?

>

>In a nutshell, the Harvard study appears distorted, based on a

>misunderstanding of what they were dealing with.

Thanks, the links were interesting and revealing.

>

> analyzed content by reading labels, didn't actually test for toxicity.

I didn't see where it said they didn't test them for the presence of the

*metals*, which it looks like they did. But they didn't test whether the

metals were toxic, probably because it's widely accepted (except perhaps in

Ayurveda) that lead, for instance, IS toxic. OTOH, it's thought that

microscopic amounts of of some metals might be beneficial.

>

>c) 20% is not a majority.

Of course not. I misremembered the percent found to be toxic. Nonetheless, 1

out of 5 is pretty alarming itself. However, since these appearedt to be

bhasmas, I understand that doesn't translate to herbal formulas containing

toxic metals.

>

>d) buying low-price/low quality products off-the-shelf from Asian

>corner-stores and making assumptions about the whole supp. industry.

True. I wonder where the critics got the info about where the researchers

got the products? I didn't read both articles in full, but the critics

(practitioners and distributors of ayurvedic products, it seems) didn't

mention how they obtained that info in the sections that I read. Perhaps it

was stated in the original study. Assuming it's true, that's a relief.

>

>The formula you were taking was probably safe.

I hope so. You would think the manufacturer would've replied to reassure me

it was. Well, I will write them again and see if I get a reply this time.

>It is also true that most Ayurvedic practitioners in India now have a

>Western/allopathic slant. Someone with a traditional style and

>knowledge is uncommon. Ayurveda is not Ayurveda, as you might say.

Right. Makes me wonder if the Ayurvedic preparation that my Nepali " father "

(who was a traditional Ayurvedist, I believe) gave me for salmonella

poisoning/typhoid fever was a bhasma. Hmmmm...I'd rather not know. Didn't

help me at all in any case. Antibiotics were the only thing that worked for

me at that time :-/

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> I didn't see where it said they didn't test them for the presence of the

> *metals*, which it looks like they did. But they didn't test whether the

> metals were toxic, probably because it's widely accepted (except

perhaps in

> Ayurveda) that lead, for instance, IS toxic.

You're right, I read wrong.

Nonetheless, 1

> out of 5 is pretty alarming itself. However, since these appearedt

to be

> bhasmas, I understand that doesn't translate to herbal formulas

containing

> toxic metals.

Yeah, you wrote you were unsure of the number, but I read a number of

articles relaying the Harvard study and they pretty much all put a

spin on it. But contaminated medicinals are unacceptable at any rate.

My helpful little bullet-point synopsis struck-out.

> True. I wonder where the critics got the info about where the

researchers

> got the products? I didn't read both articles in full, but the critics

> (practitioners and distributors of ayurvedic products, it seems) didn't

> mention how they obtained that info in the sections that I read.

Perhaps it

> was stated in the original study. Assuming it's true, that's a relief.

Here's a link to a listing of the contaminated products:

http://napra.ca/pdfs/advisories/metal.pdf

Perhaps the critics were enough aware of brands to identify them as

the hokey stuff in the neighborhood ethnic markets. It's unfortunate

that the people most likely to be buying these products are the least

likely, perhaps, to be reading JAMA articles.

I can't imagine anyone you buy supplements from, Suze, to be on that

level.

" Adulteration of food and medicines was severely dealt with during the

Classical preriod, but as the political situation became more chaotic,

the unscrupulous saw opportunities, and widespread adulteration has

now been common for centuries. Concern about purity is especially

important when selecting metallic remedies, which can be quite

poisonous if wrongly prepared. Caveat emptor. " -- Svoboda

> Right. Makes me wonder if the Ayurvedic preparation that my Nepali

" father "

> (who was a traditional Ayurvedist, I believe) gave me for salmonella

> poisoning/typhoid fever was a bhasma. Hmmmm...I'd rather not know.

Didn't

> help me at all in any case. Antibiotics were the only thing that

worked for

> me at that time :-/

Well, making bhasmas is an exhausting process, so maybe he just ran

the yak down to the corner store and picked one up?

B.

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>P.S. He doesn't mention bentonite clay, but I understand it also

>binds to mycotoxins and carries them out of the body.

Thanks for the suggestions. I've been using SSKI, oregonol and ionic zinc

with some success, but ironically, my spiffy new juicer arrived and I have

nothing to juice with it until the ginger picked up for me arrives.

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Naomi-

>Hope you are doing better by now. If not, have you tried any

>homeopathic remedies?

I confess that skepticism has kept me from ever trying any homeopathic

remedies.

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[Guest guest]

,

Oh, I would try them if I were you.

Once, I got an allergy-related remedy and couldn't tell that it did

much for me. But DH thought it was very effective.

Another time, I got an adrenal support remedy because something like

that was mentioned in Dr. Cowan's page about allergies. It did

nothing for me the first time I took it, but when I was feeling

extraordinarily draggy at work one day, I took it again, and I felt

better within 10 minutes.

DH took it the first time on a weekend when his allergies had him

laid out. He also was much better within 10 minutes, and was able to

get up and get some work done.

From what I have seen, therefore, they shouldn't hurt you if you

don't need them, and they can really help if you do need them. Of

course, the choice of remedy can determine whether you see an

improvement or not.

--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

wrote:

> Naomi-

>

> >Hope you are doing better by now. If not, have you tried any

> >homeopathic remedies?

>

> I confess that skepticism has kept me from ever trying any

homeopathic

> remedies.

>

>

>

>

> -

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my spiffy new juicer arrived and I have

> nothing to juice with it until the ginger picked up for me

arrives.

,

Then you'll be juicing in the morning and we can all get some sleep.

B.

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>Then you'll be juicing in the morning and we can all get some sleep.

Gosh, you overnighted it? Thanks a million! Let me know what I owe you

and where and how to send it!

Many thanks!

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>Oh, I would try them if I were you.

Maybe you could explain something for me, then. Homeopathy isn't something

I've looked into that much, but isn't the idea supposed to be that water

has a memory, and that if you put a substance into some water and then

dilute it many, many times over, the water will still " remember " the

substance and will yield similar results? How does that square with little

solid pellets made of lactose and sucrose? Or is the liquid dilution thing

just one type of homeopathic remedy, completely distinct from the pellets?

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On 8/9/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> -

>

> >Great description of the film by the way. I will have to check it out.

>

> I don't know your tastes in film from Adam, but I can't help but think

> you'll love it. It's marvelous.

All over the place but I think I will like this one.

> >Imagine a gallon container if you will. The average herbalist will

> >fill that container about 40% full with herbs and the fill it to the

> >top with alcohol.

>

> I've read his spiel, and assuming he's telling the truth I can certainly

> see why his stuff costs what it does.

Yeah he does it that way unless something has changed recently. He

also encourages people to make their own stuff whenever possible if

you can get access to quality herbs.

> >Since you can't get ginger in your neck of the woods

>

> Well, I can, just not reliably. Sometimes Fairway has decent ginger, other

> times it's awful, and I'm sure it never reaches the lofty heights of " good "

> or " excellent " .

Here is a great source of quality medicinal herbs:

www.pacificbotanicals.com. I think they even have fresh ginger but you

might want to keep some powdered ginger on hand. They sell in bulk.

> >you should try

> >his digestive tonic sometime. The quality and strength of the ginger

> >in the tincture will knock your socks off.

>

> Looks interesting except for the fennel. Why's that in there?

Like ginger it is a carminative, helpful with digestion, gas, etc.

> >As for keeping things on hand, IMO, no one should be without

> >clay/charcoal or without cayenne tinture, which is a great emergency

> >herb for heart attacks/stroke, bleeding, even burns...yes...burns.

>

> Cayenne for burns? Do tell.

Tincture poured on burns and powder packed in wounds greatly

accelerates the healing process. I prefer honey myself.

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On 8/9/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> -

>

> >I don't know what the deal is with the lobelia, but it also the main

> >ingredient in his nerve formula, so you can get it going that route.

>

> Turns out they've discontinued the lobelia tincture. Too much heat from

> the FDA, supposedly.

I thought that might be the case. Although widely available in Europe

the FDA frowns on its use here. It grows wild in my neck of the woods

as does red clover and gingko biloba.

> As to the nerve formula, there's all sorts of other stuff:

>

> >>Valerian root, Valeriana officinalis, Lobelia seed pods, Lobelia inflata,

> >>Passionflower herb, Passiflora incarnata, Hops flower, Humulus lupulus,

> >>Black Cohosh root, Cimicifuga racemosa, Blue Cohosh root, Caulophyllum

> >>thalictroides, Skullcap herb, Scutellaria lateriflora, and Wild Yam

> >>rhizome, Dioscorea villosa root.

Yup, looks like all the stuff that is good for well...nerves.

> I'm curious, though, about what you recommend lobelia for that makes it

> worth keeping on hand as part of a first aid / emergency kit.

Anti-spasmodic, expectorant and very good bronchial dilator. It also

one of those herbs you can use when nothing else you are doing seems

to be working.