Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 cupressa_s wrote: > > Hello, > > I am currently breastfeeding my 19 mo. daughter and I am always > thirsty. Plain water makes me nauseous, and I don't know if it would > be wise to use lacto-fermented drinks as my only liquid. I don't know > of any other options. I used azomite for a time, but was concerned > about the aluminum content. Most recently I put salt in my water, > which helps with the sick feeling, but my thirst is not quenched. It > seems like this started soon after my dd was born, and keeps getting > worse. > > I learned recently that many of my symptoms are linked to adrenal > deficiency. I have hypothyroidism which is being treated > homeopathically. I used standard process thyroid support until > recently. > > Any advice would be most appreciated! > > Katy If you haven't been tested for gluten/casein intolerance, this would be a good time! My first symptoms were thirst and nausea, and came on when I was pregnant and nursing. Also, when I get either, I get very, very thirsty. Since going GFCF, I don't drink near as much water, don't have to go the bathroom very often, and have plenty of " bodily liquids " when needed. Being low in thyroid points to an IgA allergy, BTW, which is most commonly gluten or casein. Coconut oil is really good at getting that thyroid pumping again ... I used to have low thyroid symptoms but those are gone now. However, that said, kefir-beer (low-alcohol, kefir-fermented beverages) seem to be the best thirst quenchers I've found yet. Anectodotally, people used to drink fermented beverages as much as they could, and they didn't like water much. You can add water or fizz water to dilute them, if needed, but they work really well. I would be more careful with the alcohol content though, if I was nursing. Lactic acid does amazing things with the body. If you don't want to deal with fermenting, adding a little cider vinegar to some water is good too. -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Since the salt seems to help her tolerance of liquids/quench her thirst, then the lacto-fermented drinks might be a good choice because many of the NT recipes are quite salty. We've had to adjust the salt content for preference. Stuff like the ginger ale is easy and cheap, too. Rebekah Re: Help for Thirst? cupressa_s wrote: > > Hello, > > I am currently breastfeeding my 19 mo. daughter and I am always > thirsty. Plain water makes me nauseous, and I don't know if it would > be wise to use lacto-fermented drinks as my only liquid. I don't know > of any other options. I used azomite for a time, but was concerned > about the aluminum content. Most recently I put salt in my water, > which helps with the sick feeling, but my thirst is not quenched. It > seems like this started soon after my dd was born, and keeps getting > worse. > > I learned recently that many of my symptoms are linked to adrenal > deficiency. I have hypothyroidism which is being treated > homeopathically. I used standard process thyroid support until > recently. > > Any advice would be most appreciated! > > Katy If you haven't been tested for gluten/casein intolerance, this would be a good time! My first symptoms were thirst and nausea, and came on when I was pregnant and nursing. Also, when I get either, I get very, very thirsty. Since going GFCF, I don't drink near as much water, don't have to go the bathroom very often, and have plenty of " bodily liquids " when needed. Being low in thyroid points to an IgA allergy, BTW, which is most commonly gluten or casein. Coconut oil is really good at getting that thyroid pumping again ... I used to have low thyroid symptoms but those are gone now. However, that said, kefir-beer (low-alcohol, kefir-fermented beverages) seem to be the best thirst quenchers I've found yet. Anectodotally, people used to drink fermented beverages as much as they could, and they didn't like water much. You can add water or fizz water to dilute them, if needed, but they work really well. I would be more careful with the alcohol content though, if I was nursing. Lactic acid does amazing things with the body. If you don't want to deal with fermenting, adding a little cider vinegar to some water is good too. -- Heidi Jean <HTML><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN " " http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd " ><BODY><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " > <B>IMPORTANT ADDRESSES</B> <UL> <LI><B><A HREF= " / " >NATIVE NUTRITION</A></B> online</LI> <LI><B><A HREF= " http://onibasu.com/ " >SEARCH</A></B> the entire message archive with Onibasu</LI> </UL></FONT> <PRE><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " ><B><A HREF= " mailto: -owner " >LIST OWNER:</A></B> Idol <B>MODERATORS:</B> Heidi Schuppenhauer Wanita Sears </FONT></PRE> </BODY> </HTML> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Hello Heidi > If you haven't been tested for gluten/casein intolerance, this would be > a good time! My first symptoms were thirst and nausea, and came on when > I was pregnant and nursing. Thank you so much for your reply. To whom should I go for these tests? I have recently been eating more gluten-containing foods, but I'll give that up. However, I don't know how to get enough protein without eating some dairy. Would I have up all goat's and sheep's milk dairy as well? I try to avoid cow's milk, but eat butter. I tend to have a hard time digesting meat, but maybe going GFCF that would improve? Also, I think I am allergic/sensitive to eggs, and my dd as well. Also, when I get either, I get very, very > thirsty. Since going GFCF, I don't drink near as much water, don't have > to go the bathroom very often, and have plenty of " bodily liquids " when > needed. Being low in thyroid points to an IgA allergy, BTW, which is > most commonly gluten or casein. Coconut oil is really good at getting > that thyroid pumping again ... I used to have low thyroid symptoms but > those are gone now. How do you use coconut oil for the thyroid? Just eat more of it? > However, that said, kefir-beer (low-alcohol, kefir-fermented beverages) > seem to be the best thirst quenchers I've found yet. Anectodotally, > people used to drink fermented beverages as much as they could, and they > didn't like water much. The only reason I hesitated to consume lots of fermented beverages was that Sally in NT always warns to use them " in small amounts. " She doesn't say why. I do like them though, and noticed that beet kvass works very well for thirst. I will order some kefir grains. Thank you! Katy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Thank you for your reply Rebekah. > Since the salt seems to help her tolerance of liquids/quench her thirst, then the lacto-fermented drinks might be a good choice because many of the NT recipes are quite salty. We've had to adjust the salt content for preference. Stuff like the ginger ale is easy and cheap, too. Yes. Beet Kvass is very salty and it helped me a lot, I was just afraid to have a lot of it (and other fermented drinks). Thanks! Katy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 cupressa_s wrote: > > Hello Heidi > > > If you haven't been tested for gluten/casein intolerance, this > would be > > a good time! My first symptoms were thirst and nausea, and came on > when > > I was pregnant and nursing. > > Thank you so much for your reply. > > To whom should I go for these tests? I have recently been eating more > gluten-containing foods, but I'll give that up. However, I don't know > how to get enough protein without eating some dairy. Would I have up > all goat's and sheep's milk dairy as well? I try to avoid cow's milk, > but eat butter. I tend to have a hard time digesting meat, but maybe > going GFCF that would improve? Folks with gluten intolerance commonly lack digestive enzymes, and they also tend to lack stomach acid. So a lot of them end up on HCL/enzyme supplements for awhile. I was on Biogest for a year, then stopped needing it (if you don't need HCL and take it, it gives you heartburn). There are likely other causes of low enzymes and HCL, but in any case, if you can't digest meat, THAT is something you want to take care of because meats and organ meats are about the best source of nutrients there is. Taking Biogest with meat seems to work for most people. Some people don't need the HCL though, and just take papain/bromelain tablets with their meals. (or just have a big slice of fresh papaya!). Also, eating raw or very rare meat is usually better from a digestion standpoint. Eating fresh greens with the meat helps too. The most digestible meal for me is lightly seared steak, sliced and drizzled with olive oil, garlic, and green onions, with some lettuce (and kimchi usually!). I can't eat dairy at all, even butter, as I deduced both by IgA testing and by experimentation. Kefir in small amounts seems to be ok. But I had a lot of damage from the gluten, perhaps if the gluten problem had been caught earlier the casein would be ok, I just don't know. However, the casein seems worse than the gluten from a thirst standpoint: it really, really makes me crave water to the point I never can get enough. As for tests: Dr. Fine's stool test and the York saliva test (IgA) are about the best. The saliva test is probably not as sensitive, but it's easier and tests for more foods. > The only reason I hesitated to consume lots of fermented beverages was > that Sally in NT always warns to use them " in small amounts. " She > doesn't say why. I do like them though, and noticed that beet kvass > works very well for thirst. I have no idea why she says that, or why fermented vegies have to be " a condiment " . Really, the Koreans make a meal of kimchi no problem, and I eat a bowl of it, sometimes drizzled with oil and balsamic vinegar, as as snack. I drink kefir beer by the bottle, as needed, albeit at night because it does make me sleepy if it has ANY alcohol in it (the hops version makes me sleepy even before it is fermented!). Traditionally folks drank fermented beverages rather than water, and they were likely safer than water. Jefferson started his day with a quart of cider, according to reports anyway, and Queen (I think it was?) started her day with a big bowl of beer and a slice of cold beef. When coffee came into fashion as a breakfast drink, it was considered slightly evil because it made folks jittery, it wasn't calm and soothing like good ol' breakfast beer. Mind you beer and cider were all lacto/yeast-fermented in those days, because no one had started using bleach and glass carboys and waterstops yet. However, I think it was brave of Sally to write even what she did, given that these products are SOOOO different for our culture. I suspect either she or her lawyer didn't want to go too far out on too many limbs. -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: " cupressa_s " > > Hello, > > I am currently breastfeeding my 19 mo. daughter and I am always > thirsty. Plain water makes me nauseous, and I don't know if it would > be wise to use lacto-fermented drinks as my only liquid. While pregnant and nursing, I find herbal teas to be very helpful. Traditional Medicines makes Mother's Milk Tea, which is great for drinking when nursing. I personally brew tea with red raspberry leaf, oatstraw, and nettles and I find this tastes very much like regular orange pekoe tea to me. Alternatively, I will toss in a few lipton tea bags with this same brew and make kombucha tea, though some people are uncomfortable with the idea of drinking kombucha while nursing. YMMV. HTH! --s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 > Folks with gluten intolerance commonly lack digestive enzymes, and they > also tend to lack stomach acid. So a lot of them end up on HCL/enzyme > supplements for awhile. I was on Biogest for a year, then stopped > needing it (if you don't need HCL and take it, it gives you heartburn). Thanks! I will definitely try this. > Also, eating raw or very rare meat is usually better from a digestion > standpoint. Eating fresh greens with the meat helps too. The most > digestible meal for me is lightly seared steak, sliced and drizzled with > olive oil, garlic, and green onions, with some lettuce (and kimchi > usually!). I recently tried raw meat, but I ate it with bread. No wonder it didn't digest very well. > I can't eat dairy at all, even butter, as I deduced both by IgA testing > and by experimentation. Kefir in small amounts seems to be ok. But I had > a lot of damage from the gluten, perhaps if the gluten problem had been > caught earlier the casein would be ok, I just don't know. However, the > casein seems worse than the gluten from a thirst standpoint: it really, > really makes me crave water to the point I never can get enough. I was thinking that it might be the same for me, since I eat a lot of dairy, but not so much gluten-containing foods. > However, I think it was brave of Sally to write even what she did, given > that these products are SOOOO different for our culture. I suspect > either she or her lawyer didn't want to go too far out on too many limbs. I never thought about it like that. It makes sense. Several people I know have been " concerned " about my fermented drinks. Thank you so much! This has really helped me! Katy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 > While pregnant and nursing, I find herbal teas to be very helpful. > Traditional Medicines makes Mother's Milk Tea, which is great for drinking > when nursing. I personally brew tea with red raspberry leaf, oatstraw, and > nettles and I find this tastes very much like regular orange pekoe tea to > me. Alternatively, I will toss in a few lipton tea bags with this same brew > and make kombucha tea, though some people are uncomfortable with the idea of > drinking kombucha while nursing. YMMV. I actually had kombucha as my only liquid a few days ago, because I was so desperate. When we first tried it, my dd reacted by peeing frequently, so I thought she might be allergic to it, but I didn't think about the caffeine. (I let her have some, and didn't think about starting slowly myself.) Now she seems fine with it. Is it the alcohol, or the caffeine that folks are concerned about? > HTH! Yes, it does, Thank you! Katy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: " cupressa_s " > I actually had kombucha as my only liquid a few days ago, because I > was so desperate. Well, you probably don't want to limit your liquids to only kombucha. One person reported getting dehydrated doing that. I only suggested it as an alternative. If you can drink it, the rrl/oatstraw/nettle would be a very nutritious tea. I personally find it to be quite satisfying to the palate and thirst. Is it the > alcohol, or the caffeine that folks are concerned about? > Kombucha is reputed to have detoxifying effects and the concern is that the mother would be dumping toxins from the liver into her breastmilk and delivering them to the baby. --s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 > If you can drink it, the rrl/oatstraw/nettle would be a very > nutritious tea. I personally find it to be quite satisfying to the > palate > and thirst. When I'm feeling a bit...oogy for lack of a better word...I go through my tea herbs and sniff them. If one smells particularly good that day, into the pot it goes (or if it smells particularly wrong that day, it doesn't). Almost always oat straw smells good so it's usually in the pot as a base, along with at least a little chamomile. Lynn S. ------ Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.knitting911.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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