Re: Eastern Tongue Health Barometer

[Guest guest]

They're traditional chinese medical or TCM. In china, TCM isn't

considered " alternative " medicine, it *is* medicine. Its usually

treated with herbs (considered the best) and/or acupuncture (inferior

to herbs because it doesn't last).

Spleen qi deficiency causes a white coating on the tongue in addition

to light swelling and scalloping at the edges. I was spleen qi

deficient prior to getting on NT. My tongue is almost always regular

now though. I figure it was the Vit A, D, saturated fat, sea salt

and potassium that got added back into my diet.

TCMs are extremely specific with symtoms in addition to outward signs.

Throbbing headaches are treated like something completely different

from piercing headaches, etc.

Do you think the white coating is related to candida? That would

really explain a lot.

-Lana

On 11/11/05, 7nuns <monique7nuns@...> wrote:

> When trying to research what Candida looks like on a tongue I ran across

> some information about how in Eastern (Asia) alternative health

> practitioners or ancient healers or.. sorry I don't know a correct title

> for

> them.. but anyway, they are able to diagnose specific internally weak areas

> based on what a tongue looks like. For example, a slight swollen tongue

> with

> teeth intentions at the edges can indicate trouble with the spleen.

> I am looking for more information about this and am not quite sure how to

> proceed without the correct terms when doing research online.

> If anyone is familiar with this, has more info or and can point me in the

> right direction please let me know.

> Thanks!

[Guest guest]

On 11/10/05, 7nuns <monique7nuns@...> wrote:

> When trying to research what Candida looks like on a tongue I ran across

> some information about how in Eastern (Asia) alternative health

> practitioners or ancient healers or.. sorry I don't know a correct title for

> them.. but anyway, they are able to diagnose specific internally weak areas

> based on what a tongue looks like. For example, a slight swollen tongue with

> teeth intentions at the edges can indicate trouble with the spleen.

> I am looking for more information about this and am not quite sure how to

> proceed without the correct terms when doing research online.

> If anyone is familiar with this, has more info or and can point me in the

> right direction please let me know.

> Thanks!

Ayurveda (a traditional Indian system) also assesses some aspects of

health by using the tongue. Here's a basic link:

http://tinyurl.com/arufn (ayurveda.com)

but I'm sure there's a ton more info out there.

[Guest guest]

Regarding candida white tongues.. it's called thrush. I looked at several

illustrations and most of what is shown as candida is much whiter than what is

on my tongue. But now that your mentioning spleen deficiency indicated by

white tongue along with light swelling and scalloping at the edges, that's a

pretty good description of what mine currently looks like.

Seems that those little organs, like the spleen, adrenal glands and the liver

are all very important. Well, I've heard of people having their spleen removed

because it is believed to serve no purpose.. so it's a bit hard to understand

how it can adversely effect someone.

Well, there is quite a lot I don't know about how they all work and with my

ongoing health quest it where I'm currently at. I too have added Vit A, D (fish

oi/butter oil), saturated fat, sea salt, potassium and so on with the grass

feed products. There's no doubt I'm feeling better, but just not quite up to

100% yet.

Thanks for the info. I'll look up TCM's.

> > When trying to research what Candida looks like on a tongue I ran across

> > some information about how in Eastern (Asia) alternative health

> > practitioners or ancient healers or.. sorry I don't know a correct title

> > for

> > them.. but anyway, they are able to diagnose specific internally weak areas

> > based on what a tongue looks like. For example, a slight swollen tongue

> > with

> > teeth intentions at the edges can indicate trouble with the spleen.

> > I am looking for more information about this and am not quite sure how to

> > proceed without the correct terms when doing research online.

> > If anyone is familiar with this, has more info or and can point me in the

> > right direction please let me know.

> > Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

> Ayurveda (a traditional Indian system) also assesses some aspects of

> health by using the tongue. Here's a basic link:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/arufn (ayurveda.com)

>

> but I'm sure there's a ton more info out there.

>

>

Oh yeah that's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! It now makes sense that

the back of my tongue isn't looking so good based on the areas in that

illustration.

[Guest guest]

,

When a TCM diagnoses something as a spleen qi deficiency - it doesn't

mean its the spleen that is having issues. They didn't really know

what all the organs were and a lot of the assignments are off. I was

spleen qi deficient, but it was my liver and kidneys that were

suffering on blood tests.

One of the best pieces of advice my TCM gave me was to cut back on

" cold " foods. Spleen qi deficiency gets worse when eating cold,

dampness-forming foods (cucumber, watermelon, beef, dairy) as a

significant part of your diet. Warmer foods (carrots, lamb, potatoes)

are better for the condition. Its pretty easy to figure out which is

which - the wetter foods are usually cold while the firmer ones are

usually warm. Of course, like everything based on the natural - this

doesn't really apply to those fandangled new foods.

I'm coming up on 6 months of feeling better. Although, eating fast

food 3 meals in one week did me in for a few days. Those hydrogenated

and trans fats *hurt.*

Good luck! Lemme know if you find anything interesting!

-Lana

On 11/11/05, <monique7nuns@...> wrote:

>

> Regarding candida white tongues.. it's called thrush. I looked at several

> illustrations and most of what is shown as candida is much whiter than what

> is on my tongue. But now that your mentioning spleen deficiency indicated

> by white tongue along with light swelling and scalloping at the edges,

> that's a pretty good description of what mine currently looks like.

>

> Seems that those little organs, like the spleen, adrenal glands and the

> liver are all very important. Well, I've heard of people having their

> spleen removed because it is believed to serve no purpose.. so it's a bit

> hard to understand how it can adversely effect someone.

>

> Well, there is quite a lot I don't know about how they all work and with my

> ongoing health quest it where I'm currently at. I too have added Vit A, D

> (fish oi/butter oil), saturated fat, sea salt, potassium and so on with the

> grass feed products. There's no doubt I'm feeling better, but just not

> quite up to 100% yet.

>

> Thanks for the info. I'll look up TCM's.

[Guest guest]

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wrote:

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> ,

>

> Thanks! This is exactly what I was looking for. I've been to a few

> of the sites and find them very interesting. They all are pointing

> to the same thing as was most eloquently put at an Aurveda site I

> have 'gunk' in my intestines, aka a kapha imbalance. So I just have

> to get it out, lol, that's all.

>

> Thanks again, these are great!

>

,

If you mean you have the white coating on the tongue, so did I. The

way I " got it out " was to practice food-combining (meaning I mostly

eat meat and greens and fat, now); take trikatu; take triphala every

night; drink hot water with lemon or fresh aloe juice every morning.

I cut down on meal frequency and fast once weekly. For a while I took

hcl and pancreatic enzymes with meals, not sure what did the trick but

I no longer have a white coating.

B.