Re: EFT for Obsessions (was Sneaky eating)

[Guest guest]

Katy-

>I've never tried EFT. A number of years ago, I tried a number of

>behavior-type stuff I got out of eating disorder books and they

>never helped. I quit trying behavior-modification tricks, and had

>EFT categorized as that sort of thing. And sometimes I just don't

>know what to make of Mercola's stuff. But, you are one of the most

>skeptical people on this list, and if you think it actually works,

>it might be worth a try. Are the details on his site enough, or do

>I need a book?

I don't know _how_ EFT works, but I have found that it can sometimes be

remarkably effective, so it does seem like _something's_ going on

there. OTOH, if you try it you'll find that it involves heaping mounds of

trial and error, and you'll have a high failure rate, so it's important to

stick with it for awhile. Its effectiveness seems to be _extremely_

dependent on coming up with the exactly correct thing to think or say (even

to the point of wording it correctly) and as such it can probably be very

helpful to have someone proficient in EFT assisting you, though I have no

experience with that.

Mercola has a free EFT manual on his site which I'd guess ought to be your

first stop, as it's free, but I found his DVD package more useful, since

it's video of him helping a bunch of people use EFT for specific concerns,

and even that was frustrating. I also have Mercola's transcript of his EFT

teleconference with Craig, though I haven't read it yet, and despite

my reluctance to risk the money I'm going to Craig's upcoming EFT workshop

next month. IOW I do think it can be very valuable.

But that said, don't get taken in by the hype. To listen to some EFT

people talk, EFT is the be-all and end-all of existence -- diet and

physical health are completely determined by mental state and that EFT is

the only necessary or useful tool for improving health -- or since that's

absurd, EFT advocates must be crazy and EFT therefore must be complete

garbage. It can be very useful, but it's not going to magically cure

anything by itself. As such, I'd think it could be very useful for helping

with a compulsion to eat bad things because of resentment over deprivation

(or whatever exactly is going on there) but it's not going to magically

turn bad foods healthy.

BTW, I find being tapped annoying and distracting as all get-out, even when

I'm the one doing the tapping, so I just sort of press on or gently massage

the acupressure points when using EFT, and that seems to work fine. Dunno

whether that'll be true for you, though.

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[Guest guest]

> BTW, I find being tapped annoying and distracting as all get-out,

even when

> I'm the one doing the tapping, so I just sort of press on or gently

massage

> the acupressure points when using EFT, and that seems to work fine.

Dunno

> whether that'll be true for you, though.

,

The tapping points in EFT are undoubtedly what's called marma points

in traditional Indian medicine. The points are equal in all the other

tapping/energy modalities I've ever been acquinted with. Thus, using

pressure would work fine. You may want to look a little further and

read about marma therapy.

B.

[Guest guest]

Re: EFT for Obsessions (was Sneaky eating)

I don't know _how_ EFT works, but I have found that it can sometimes be

remarkably effective, so it does seem like _something's_ going on

there. OTOH, if you try it you'll find that it involves heaping mounds of

trial and error, and you'll have a high failure rate, so it's important to

stick with it for awhile. Its effectiveness seems to be _extremely_

dependent on coming up with the exactly correct thing to think or say (even

to the point of wording it correctly) and as such it can probably be very

helpful to have someone proficient in EFT assisting you, though I have no

experience with that.

Mercola has a free EFT manual on his site which I'd guess ought to be your

first stop, as it's free, but I found his DVD package more useful, since

it's video of him helping a bunch of people use EFT for specific concerns,

and even that was frustrating. I also have Mercola's transcript of his EFT

teleconference with Craig, though I haven't read it yet, and despite

my reluctance to risk the money I'm going to Craig's upcoming EFT workshop

next month. IOW I do think it can be very valuable.

But that said, don't get taken in by the hype. To listen to some EFT

people talk, EFT is the be-all and end-all of existence -- diet and

physical health are completely determined by mental state and that EFT is

the only necessary or useful tool for improving health -- or since that's

absurd, EFT advocates must be crazy and EFT therefore must be complete

garbage. It can be very useful, but it's not going to magically cure

anything by itself. As such, I'd think it could be very useful for helping

with a compulsion to eat bad things because of resentment over deprivation

(or whatever exactly is going on there) but it's not going to magically

turn bad foods healthy.

BTW, I find being tapped annoying and distracting as all get-out, even when

I'm the one doing the tapping, so I just sort of press on or gently massage

the acupressure points when using EFT, and that seems to work fine. Dunno

whether that'll be true for you, though.

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,

I don't know if you were aware that Craig has a free EFT manual at his

site that you can download.

As with any other healing modality, EFT works great for some people, well

for others, and negligibly for others. says there's aout an 85% success

rate -- quite high, I think.

is very clear that if you eat foods to which you are allergic, it can

nullify the positive effects of EFT.

Your take on simply pressing the points is right on. There is a newer

technique, based on EFT, called PEAT. I forget what the acronym stands for.

The developer of PEAT is quite clear that he got much of the data from

but he has refined it and made it into what I think is an even quicker and

more effective modality. One of the changes is that he incorporates

breathing in and out when you are touching the point. This eliminates the

need for tapping. I didn't mention PEAT initially when I brought up the

meridian tapping procedures because I don't have as much info on this as on

EFT.

However, there is still much to be gained by going to an EFT workshop. There

are reports that people in the audience have clearings simply by *watching*

someone else do an EFT session. You may want to experiment with the

breathing and add that to your repertoire.

I look forward to your report on the workshop.

Best,

Nenah

[Guest guest]

Hi Neneh,

> Your take on simply pressing the points is right on. There is a newer

> technique, based on EFT, called PEAT. I forget what the

> acronym stands for.

> The developer of PEAT is quite clear that he got much of the

> data from

> but he has refined it and made it into what I think is an

> even quicker and

> more effective modality.

PEAT stands for Psycho Energetic Aural Technology and was created by Zivorad

Mihajlovic Slavinski who lives in Belgrade, Serbia. I took the first PEAT

class that Zivorad taught here in the US back in 2000, IIRC. I recognized

the power of the process immediately and followed Zivorad out to Chicago the

next week to do some private work with him while he was between workshops.

Later that year I set up and taught a very successful 3 day workshop on PEAT

in Los Angeles to 15 people -- some of them very experienced processors.

The process is very powerful but what I have found is that it creates

instability. Particularly in people who are new to Energy Psych. Most of

those of us who were in the original classes went a little wacky after

processing this way. I would suggest being very careful with PEAT, making

sure that whoever you work with shows signs of being successful in life and

only embarking on the process if you are going to keep doing it for an

extended period so you can handle all of the things that your original

sessions will open up to you.

There are many routes into the mind. I have experimented with some of them

and have found that you can put yourself in a bad place if you don't get in

front of the right person when you are getting help or if you use techniques

that dig too much information out in the wrong order. This is why I stand

by EFT -- it seems to be very powerful but yet benign. I don't know anyone

who has crashed from having EFT sessions. At worst they get no observable

result. At best their lives are transformed. It is a safe process as best

I can tell.

Finally -- Zivorad is a brilliant guy but he has a guru complex. We had a

falling out after he behaved badly for a while I called him on it. I'm now

on his enemies list. Not sure if you want to get involved in a practice

that has an enemies list. And, FWIW, I tried to contact him later and

re-connect because I value his skill and I actually happen to like him

personally but he chose to stay aloof. Oh well.

> One of the changes is that he incorporates

> breathing in and out when you are touching the point. This

> eliminates the

> need for tapping. I didn't mention PEAT initially when I

> brought up the

> meridian tapping procedures because I don't have as much info

> on this as on

> EFT.

Yes, in PEAT you just touch and hold the point. Unlike , though, I

always felt like that was less effective for some reason. LOL. It didn't

seem to make any difference in the way that the process ran, though.

>

> However, there is still much to be gained by going to an EFT

> workshop. There

> are reports that people in the audience have clearings simply

> by *watching*

> someone else do an EFT session.

This is the primary reason that I'm going to the workshop. About a year ago

realized that the people who were giving EFT were actually getting

gains in handling their own issues even though they were not consciously

working on them. He did some experimenting and coined the term " Borrowing

Benefits " for the phenomena that happens when someone either delivers EFT or

taps along with an EFT session that is in progress. If you set yourself up

properly before the session begins you can get gains as big as or greater

than the gains you might get when being the EFT client. I expect the live

sessions that is doing to be very powerful in this regard.

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Ron