Re: help with primary dysmenorrhea

[Guest guest]

tmail wrote:

>

> I have had primary dysmenorrhea since I started menstruating. Has

> anybody found an effective way of reducing the pain, apart from OTC

> painkillers and hot water bottles? I need to take naproxen at double the

> label dose in order to function on the worst day or two. I would like to

> reduce my reliance on painkillers.

I've never had this problem, but from email lists and what I've read

there seem to have been 2 main solutions:

1. High doses of cal/mag and maybe some B vitamins.

2. Going grain-free.

Both solutions take about 5 weeks to go into effect. I would expect good

fats etc. to help too. There seem to be a number of " female " problems

that have to do with calcium absorption. Gluten intolerance interferes

with calcium absorption, but a lot of people may not absorb it for other

reasons (lack of Vit D maybe?). Taking CLO might help? Getting out in

the sun might help too, and exercise. This time of year, most Americans

are very Vit D deficient.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

From: tmail <<I have had primary dysmenorrhea since I started menstruating. Has

anybody found an effective way of reducing the pain, apart from OTC painkillers

and hot water bottles?>>

,

A friend had a similar problem incl. fainting as a result of severe menstrual

pain/cramps... she was helped by taking progesterone... she follows NT too... I

believe she got some good info from Dr. Reiss -- http://www.uzzireissmd.com/ --

Also see - http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/health/4183549.stm

<< Drinking camomile tea can fight a cold and banish menstrual cramps...

drinking tea caused levels of both glycine, which can ease muscle spasms, and

the anti-inflammatory hippurate in the urine to go up... camomile infused oil

could be massaged over the pubic area as a remedy for menstrual spasms.>>

HTH

Dedy

[Guest guest]

Rundle wrote:

> she was helped by taking progesterone... she follows NT too... I

> believe she got some good info from Dr. Reiss --

> http://www.uzzireissmd.com/ --

>

> Also see - http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/health/4183549.stm

> << Drinking camomile tea can fight a cold and banish menstrual

> cramps... drinking tea caused levels of both glycine,

Thank you, I have tried progesterone, read Dr. Lee's book, and have

tried chamomile tea by the gallon.

Nada : -)

Best,

[Guest guest]

Heidi wrote:

>

>

> 1. High doses of cal/mag and maybe some B vitamins.

>

> 2. Going grain-free.

>

Thank you, Heidi;

I have gone grain free, for 6 months doing the Atkins thing. Didn't help.

What sort of doses on the Calcium/ Magnesium? I have supplemented both

in the past, to the tune of 1500 mg Calcium a day (in addition to

dietary calcium, bone broths etc) and 600 mg magnesium per day, in

addition to dietary magnesium. At these levels, my cramps weren't

affected. I am aware that calcium deficiency is associated with some

menstrual disorders.

But if my supplementation levels are too low, I would like to know. I am

afraid to go much higher without some sort of reference, as my mother

had kidney stones, ouch!

Thank you,

[Guest guest]

tmail wrote:

> Heidi wrote:

> >

> Thank you, Heidi;

>

> I have gone grain free, for 6 months doing the Atkins thing. Didn't help.

>

> What sort of doses on the Calcium/ Magnesium? I have supplemented both

> in the past, to the tune of 1500 mg Calcium a day (in addition to

> dietary calcium, bone broths etc) and 600 mg magnesium per day, in

> addition to dietary magnesium. At these levels, my cramps weren't

> affected. I am aware that calcium deficiency is associated with some

> menstrual disorders.

> But if my supplementation levels are too low, I would like to know. I am

> afraid to go much higher without some sort of reference, as my mother

> had kidney stones, ouch!

>

> Thank you,

>

>

Try Googling on PMS Calcium. It DID help me with migraines, which are

kind of similar. But I also had problems after my first kid was born,

and used birth control pills, which worked great, so the progesterone

idea is an easy one.

But here is one article on it:

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/25/calcium.pms/

As for kidney stones, I think there is something else going on in folks

who get those. Our ancestors got a LOT of calcium: there were whole

bones and feathers etc. in their feces. Kidney stones form, for example,

in folks who don't have the oxalate-eating bacteria in their guts, which

has nothing to do with how much calcium they are actually eating.

Good luck!

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

> Try Googling on PMS Calcium. It DID help me with migraines, which are

> kind of similar.

Thank you, Heidi; looks like the Google concensus is 1200 mg a day for

reduction of PMS, and 1500 mg a day didn't help me. Oh well.

I won't go on the pill; it severely affected my mood when I tried it

when I was younger.

Best,

[Guest guest]

I have been thinking on your Email and had a few things you might want to

research. First of all, this is pure theories on my part, I haven't done any

clinical research for this.

What you are describing does sound a lot like classic endometriosis symptoms. I

know you said you had been evaluated by GYNs for this, but how so? Physical

exams, ultrasounds, or laparoscopy? I worked for a specialty group of GYNs for

several years, and what you're describing sounds like many patients they

treated. Patients that had been wrongly undiagnosed/untreated by other

physicians. Endometriosis can exist not just in large, palpable nodules, but

even in microscopic amounts/sizes, and still cause severe pain and dysfunction.

I think endometriosis can often be caused by a overwhelmed or negative immune

response, similar to Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia. Immune responses which

are caused by toxic levels of chemical or allergen exposure. Subsequently, they

create imbalances in insulin levels and other hormones (like PCOS, which often

goes with endometriosis). They can also create severe digestive problems

resulting in candidiasis, Crohn's, Celiac, and other conditions. Like Heidi and

others have posted, this can often be to gluten grains, or casein, or other such

food sources. Or, it can chemically caused by mercury, lead, etc. Often after

removing the influx of toxins/food allergen, it takes months, or years for the

body to completely remove these substances from the body and the tissue to

repair from the damage that was caused. Have you been checked for any of these

things by a practitioner knowledgable in naturopathic therapy?

You said you had been on an NT style diet. Can you be more specific about what

you consume on a regular basis? Give a typical example of sample meals

throughout your day? I'm curious as to what ratios your consuming of protein,

fat, carbs, etc. What sources for your foods? All biodynamic/organic? Raw or

cooked preparation methods? How long have you been consuming this diet? After

going NT, any changes in other systems of your body? What supplements do you

take, and from what sources?

Just curious and wanting to help,

Rebekah

help with primary dysmenorrhea

Hi All;

I have had primary dysmenorrhea since I started menstruating. Has

anybody found an effective way of reducing the pain, apart from OTC

painkillers and hot water bottles? I need to take naproxen at double

the label dose in order to function on the worst day or two. I would

like to reduce my reliance on painkillers.

The latter part of this paragraph is me:

" Most women describe their menstrual cramps as a dull aching or a

pressure low in the abdomen. *The pains may wax and wane, remain

constant, or be so severe that they cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea,

backache, sweating, and an achiness that spreads to the hips, lower

back, and thighs.* "

(taken from: http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/CONSUMER/CON00004.html)

Add to the above spending 8 hours or more in bed curled up almost

fainting from waves of pain, which are much stronger than dull or

aching, that occur with cyclical cramps. Naproxen at double the

recommended dose makes it bearable, but again, I don't want to

continue to abuse it by taking more than the recommended dosage.

I should add that I am on an NT diet, no sugar, no caffeine, for

grains only homemade whole grain bread or brown rice (not much of

either anyway), and supplement with cod liver oil. I have been on many

diets in my life, and none have had an effect on this. I have had my

diet analysed by a nutritionalist, and passed with flying colors. My

gyns through the years have found no abnormalities of my uterus, no

fibroids, it is not endometriosis.

If anybody has had any success in reducing this type and severity of

pain please do let me know.

Thank you,

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