RE: Re: Gluten free, low glycemic, for my mom?

[Guest guest]

Doesn't matter how low it is, it's still gluten, and that might be enough to

stop her getting better. Pop over to GFCGNN, Christie, there's lots of info

there.

GFCFNN/

Deb

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How about spelt flour? Spelt is extremely low in gluten.

Gayle

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>> Pop over to GFCGNN, Christie, there's lots of info

there. <<

OK, this is the problem. My mom really can't tolerate and/or won't even try

fermented veggies, nor a lot of fat in her diet. So I'm not thinking that a

diet based on healthy fats and fermented veggies is going to go over big

with her. <G> Also, she's not online so an email list or website is going to

be hard for her. What would be wonderful is a book - she is an avid reader.

What she likes is breads, oatmeal, fresh raw fruit, applesauce, almost all

meat and fish except pork, eggs, rice, and potatoes. What seems to massively

upset her digestion is almost all vegetables, especially raw but even well

cooked, nuts, berries other than strawberries, and fat, including really

good raw fat from grassfed cows, above a certain base level of fat that she

does fine on. She can eat a small amount of raw cream, sour cream, a TINY

amount of cheese (almost none, really), butter. She loves V-8 Juice... well,

I don't mean actual V-8, I mean, the health food store version. She likes

other fruit juices but they are way too disruptive to her blood sugar. She

has a sweet tooth but doesn't like chocolate (hard to believe she's related

to me). She is not adventerous in her eating habits.

Now, I have certain opinions and I'm sure a lot of you do too, but within

the confines of what she likes and will eat, is there ANY book that might

spell out a way she can try eating that will support healthy blood sugar and

gluten-free, without requiring her to eat things she hates or is disinclined

toward or can't currently tolerate? It's taken me years to get her to be

ready to go off gluten and she's really relying on me to hand her a book and

say here, this is what you should eat.

I'm wondering if I wouldn't be better off having her try something like

maybe the Schwartzbein Principle but gluten free?

I feel like I finally got her to agree to try, but I don't know exactly what

to tell her to try! Where oh where is the Glutenator?

Christie

[Guest guest]

HJ usually comes online a bit later than this, but she just posted to

GFCFNN, so she may be on her way.....

In the meantime, what's her typical day? If she has found what works for her

blood sugar wise, it might be easier to just give her a bunch of recipes

from the GFCF archives to replace her current stuff with. Like the

glutenator's GF white bread (would she eat eggs in bread?). " Porridge " made

with quinoa. Does she eat much processed stuff that might have hidden

gluten?

Can she eat veggies if they're made into soup and pureed? Otherwise, for

now, continuing to eat small amounts of fruit would probably be OK.

Has she tried, or would she try, some digestive enzymes?

Deb

PS. Doesn't like chocolate???? Hard to believe that such people exist

<G>....

-----Original Message-----

OK, this is the problem. My mom really can't tolerate and/or won't even

try

fermented veggies, nor a lot of fat in her diet. So I'm not thinking that

a

diet based on healthy fats and fermented veggies is going to go over big

with her. <G> Also, she's not online so an email list or website is going

to

be hard for her. What would be wonderful is a book - she is an avid

reader.

What she likes is breads, oatmeal, fresh raw fruit, applesauce, almost all

meat and fish except pork, eggs, rice, and potatoes. What seems to

massively

upset her digestion is almost all vegetables, especially raw but even well

cooked, nuts, berries other than strawberries, and fat, including really

good raw fat from grassfed cows, above a certain base level of fat that

she

does fine on. She can eat a small amount of raw cream, sour cream, a TINY

amount of cheese (almost none, really), butter. She loves V-8 Juice...

well,

I don't mean actual V-8, I mean, the health food store version. She likes

other fruit juices but they are way too disruptive to her blood sugar. She

has a sweet tooth but doesn't like chocolate (hard to believe she's

related

to me). She is not adventerous in her eating habits.

Now, I have certain opinions and I'm sure a lot of you do too, but within

the confines of what she likes and will eat, is there ANY book that might

spell out a way she can try eating that will support healthy blood sugar

and

gluten-free, without requiring her to eat things she hates or is

disinclined

toward or can't currently tolerate? It's taken me years to get her to be

ready to go off gluten and she's really relying on me to hand her a book

and

say here, this is what you should eat.

I'm wondering if I wouldn't be better off having her try something like

maybe the Schwartzbein Principle but gluten free?

I feel like I finally got her to agree to try, but I don't know exactly

what

to tell her to try! Where oh where is the Glutenator?

Christie

[Guest guest]

At 09:47 PM 5/10/2005, you wrote:

>I'm wondering if I wouldn't be better off having her try something like

>maybe the Schwartzbein Principle but gluten free?

>

>I feel like I finally got her to agree to try, but I don't know exactly what

>to tell her to try! Where oh where is the Glutenator?

>

>Christie

Oh, I'm right here! I don't really know the " popular " books though.

ALL of them are fairly GF these days, though they don't do it

on purpose. Reacting to vegies though, that one throws me! Seems

like she really needs enzymes or HCL.

Or clay, which I've been experimenting with. The guy I'm experimenting " on "

has issues with fiber, which is a new one for me. Anything fibrous gives

him pain. I gave him some Pascalite because it's the only thing I could think

of, and he's ok now. I don't know what the underlying issue is/was, but

Pascalite cures it.

As for blood sugar ... I suffered with blood sugar issues for years. My

Mom used to follow me around the house til I ate breakfast (really!)

because otherwise I'd pass out. Going GF and doing the WD finally

cured it. But eating gluten or casein brings it back. I have to restrict

my starches in general to the evening, and avoid my allergens, AND

mostly not eat during the day, to be ok. She might be ok on the WD ...

or the " Carbohydrate addicts " diet ... eat meat/salad/fruit during

the day and whatever starches she wants (potato, rice, oatmeal) at night.

Oatmeal is rather iffy since most of it is contaminated with gluten,

but my family eats and does ok.

Hmmm. Actually the Carbohydrate Addicts diet sounds pretty good for

her. I haven't read it, but it's a lot like the WD only easier and less macho.

Also, on the CA diet she could have tacos (tortillas) at night, and not

get the pricey " low carb " ones that are full of gluten. I get the

tapioca or rice " wrappers " too, at the Asian stores, which make

great rolls, and yam noodles and Tinkyada noodles which taste

just like the gluten ones. If she restricts her starches to one meal,

likely her blood sugar will be ok, esp. if she is GF (a lot of the " carb "

symptoms are really allergy symptoms, since the allergy causes

cortisol/insulin imbalance for reasons other than sugar).

Also, starches in the form of noodles or wraps hit the blood

a lot slower than baked goods. Quinoa is great too ... I love it,

esp. as tabboleh salad, but it seems to be fine on the blood sugar

side of things, and it's super easy to cook.

Getting sunlight and exercise is also very important for

blood sugar control!

Heidi Jean

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The only book I can think of is Garden of Eating. They have their own

website to order from. It's mostly a paleo diet, but everything is spelled

out to the T, from cookware, prep methods and then explanation for

everything. It is no grain at all and no dairy at all. I haven't looked at

it in a while, but i really like it. They have some great tips on how to

make all this food stuff easier. The only downside is it is big on lots of

veggies. But maybe she can play around with the ratios to suit her. Do you

think gluten is what makes her sleepy? Or just carbs in general? I commend

your mom for even being open to change. My mom once declared that diet had

nothing to do with health, then on another visit remarked how her heartburn

clears up whenever she visits and eats my cooking. I've even got her taking

HCl and digestive enzymes now.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

>> Do you

think gluten is what makes her sleepy? Or just carbs in general? <<

I always assumed it was the carbs, but I don't know.

It's funny, I don't think I'm gluten intolerant, but I don't eat ANY gluten

at all, and I'm pretty sure my mom IS, but she's sort of addicted to it,

even on a low carb diet. But based on what Heidi has said about gluten, I'm

fairly sure that's a sign that she has a problem with gluten!

My mom is a great person and very open to all kinds of new ideas and change.

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

http://www.caberfeidh.com

http://doggedblog.com

[Guest guest]

>> Reacting to vegies though, that one throws me! Seems

like she really needs enzymes or HCL. <<

Yes, I think so too, and she's used some enzyme and HCL supplements without

much longterm success. She did the Pepto thing too. I long ago formed the

opinion that she wasn't going to solve this problem until she went gluten

free. It's taken her a while to get there, though.

I thought your suggestion of CAD was interesting and I've ordered a copy of

the book for her. Maybe a gluten free version of that would work for her.

I want to thank everyone who had suggestions! Some of them won't work for my

mom but the input is very, very much appreciated by me!

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

http://www.caberfeidh.com

http://doggedblog.com

[Guest guest]

>> Doesn't like chocolate???? Hard to believe that such people exist

<<

Yeah, it does make you wonder if she's some kind of alien. <G>

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

http://www.caberfeidh.com

http://doggedblog.com

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Chrisite,

I just wanted to say that whatever you do, please keep at her about gluten.

If she doesn't seem to be able to keep to a gluten-free diet, maybe she'd

bee willing to get tested? I will be taking the Enterolab test myself in a

few weeks. You can just order that by mail - their stool test apparently is

one of, if not THE most sensitive tests available. Also, someone on the

GFCFNN list just posted about a fantastic experience with a GI specialist in

the Bay area who's researching gluten intolerance and seems to really know a

lot about it.

In any case, due to her age it becomes more of a concern, I think, as the

damage is cumulative and often silent until something really serious

manifests. Del Eaton was probably around your mom's age (65, I think?) and

we lost her two days ago. She had abdominal cancer and was convinced it was

a result of her intolerance to gluten.

Sadly, someone on this list told her in 2003 that her blood type was prone

to stomach cancer (she'd been complaining about stomach problems on the list

around that time) and she replied that maybe she'd better get herself

checked. It seems like she didn't follow through with that thought,

otherwise perhaps she'd still be with us.

I worry about my parents too and suspect both may be gluten intolerant. My

dad recently developed an autoimmune disease. Dr. Fine has found that about

79% of folks with autoimmune diseases have antigliadin antibodies. But I've

had a hard time convincing him to get tested for gluten sensitivity. If my

test shows I have the genes though, that might stimulate him to get tested

(well, I hope!) since it's hereditary.

In any case, I think it's important to do whatever is necessary to get the

people we love (especially older ones!) to either get tested or go

gluten-free if we suspect they are intolerant of it.

BTW, I'm very sorry to say this, but casein intolerance often goes

hand-in-hand with gluten intolerance :-(

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

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Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

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[Guest guest]

,

LOL-gluten issues have been discussed here ad nauseam! In fact, one

of our list members (Heidi Jean) is also know as " The Glutenator. "

Definitely do a search on http://onibasu.com/ (in case you don't know,

this is where you should search our archives as the search

engine leaves much to be desired).

A good book on the subject is " Dangerous Grains. "

in NYC

On 5/12/05, laurainnewjersey <laurabusse@...> wrote:

> Suze,

>

> has this topic been pretty well covered here? should i look in the

> archives?

>

> i have a friend who's a chapter leader and she said there was a

> discussion there that pretty much said no one should ever consume

> gluten...what you said, that the damage is cumulative and can be

> silent.

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> Sadly, someone on this list told her in 2003 that her blood type was prone

> to stomach cancer (she'd been complaining about stomach problems on the

> list

> around that time) and she replied that maybe she'd better get herself

> checked. It seems like she didn't follow through with that thought,

> otherwise perhaps she'd still be with us.

Suze,

So sad to hear of Del. Was really getting concerned when she was saying she

couldn't eat anything without trouble recently. Know I've mentioned blood

type A and higher incidence of stomach cancer here. Celiac info sites all

say the same. That's been said here also. Almost remember Del saying she had

some Native American ancestry like me. Was no wheat or dairy in any diet on

this entire continent until 500 years ago. If it's true what an

anthropologist on NPR said recently, that no one's DNA has changed more than

0.02% since agriculture began, then gluten isn't good for anyone as he also

said.

Wanita