Re: General Question...Heidi

[Guest guest]

HI Heidi,

> I had IBS, brain fog, migraines, joint pain, gut problems, Sjogren's,

> fatigue, skin problems and a mess of other issues which I did resolve

> with diet. But for me the issue was mainly removing gluten from my diet

> ... gluten intolerance is at the root of an amazing amount of the ill

> health in this country. It's genetically linked, and Northern Europeans

> are just really at risk. I had to end up giving up dairy too (even raw),

> but it's been worth it.

>

> A lot of people who see great results on a " raw foods " diet turn out to

> be reacting to grains though, so trying a grain-free diet for awhile

> might be worth it. Allergies and candida are often related to gut

> problems, which are very often triggered by grains, primarily the

> wheat/barley/rye ones. Fructose is also bad, though for different

> reasons (the fructose in fruit isn't enough to be a bad issue for most

> folks, but in our culture we ingest a lot of " high fructose corn syrup "

> which is nasty stuff).

How come you ended up giving up dairy?

Being on the SCD diet eliminates ALL grains of any kind (but kefir is allowed I

believe) and I

don't miss grains at all. The thing is that I've been off all grains for 7 and

1/2 months,

and my health seems to be worse now, sigh. The whole point of the SCD is to

kill off the

bad bacteria in our guts, and put in the good. My doc says that nature will not

allow a

vacuum, and if I kill out the bad stuff I must put in the good. Problem is that

I can't eat

sauerkraut or kimchi or any raw fruits or veggies yet. I've tried the kraut and

kimchi, and

couldn't eat 'em. I'm eating the yogurt, but I wonder how much actual

probiotics I'm

getting from it since the milk is processed to begin with. I'm going to try

making my

yogurt with raw milk next time. (After writes and tells me how, lol)

I'd also like to try kefir. I'm just discouraged that all these months have

gone by, and my

allergies seem to be worse, and my gut is bloating up again. I don't have

hardly any fruit

so it isn't a sugar thing either. I agree with you about the " high fructose

corn syrup " ugh.

I'm so glad that you were able to get well. And especially from that horrid

Sjogrens, brrrrr.

How long did it take you to feel better going without grains? I just really

thought I'd be

doing better by now.

Thanks Heidi for all your help. I appreciate it so much.

'

[Guest guest]

reborn1000 wrote:

>

> How come you ended up giving up dairy?

After a year of being GF, I was still getting migraines, and got them

more when I had more cream, and I tended to get diarrhea when I had a

lot of butter. As it turns out, I had tested high for IgA anti-casein

.... but I kinda blocked that out at the time. Anyway, I gave up casein

as an experiment, last February, and haven't had a migraine since.

Before that I had 5 a month (I kept a log).

>

> I'd also like to try kefir. I'm just discouraged that all these months

> have gone by, and my

> allergies seem to be worse, and my gut is bloating up again. I don't

> have hardly any fruit

> so it isn't a sugar thing either. I agree with you about the " high

> fructose corn syrup " ugh.

In the gluten intolerance group, kefir seems to be THE BEST probiotic.

It works great for me! Mind you I can't take milk kefir, so I make

" kefir beer " (or kefir pop for the non-alcoholic folks).

A LOT of people who react to gluten also react to casein though, for

reasons I don't understand. My dh also reacts to peanuts and sorghum. So

you just have to figure out YOU. Also, taking Pepto Bismol for a week

or two (Dr. Fine's recipe was 8 pills a day) might settle your gut,

which will make diagnosing the allergens easier.

> I'm so glad that you were able to get well. And especially from that

> horrid Sjogrens, brrrrr.

> How long did it take you to feel better going without grains? I just

> really thought I'd be

> doing better by now.

Hee hee. I'm STILL getting better! So far I feel 10 years younger than I

did a few years ago. At this rate I'll be down to a teenager by the time

I'm 60 ...

-- Heidi JEan

[Guest guest]

Alese wrote:

> Both my boys are gluten AND casein intolerant (among other things) too. The

> do seem to run together although not sure why. Soy intolerance also seems

> to be popular in people who are casein intolerant (especially in autism)

> because it's structured similarly to casein. Both my boys are also soy

> intolerant.

>

>

>

> Alese

>

I have not experimented with soy, mainly because it's not interesting to

me as a food and soy sauce usually has wheat in it anyway. But corn

seems to affect a lot of people too. I find when I overdo it, my finger

joints have problems, though not nearly to the extent that wheat cause

problems.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Both my boys are gluten AND casein intolerant (among other things) too. The

do seem to run together although not sure why. Soy intolerance also seems

to be popular in people who are casein intolerant (especially in autism)

because it's structured similarly to casein. Both my boys are also soy

intolerant.

Alese

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From: Heidi [mailto:heidis@...]

Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:26 PM

Subject: Re: General Question...Heidi

reborn1000 wrote:

>

> How come you ended up giving up dairy?

After a year of being GF, I was still getting migraines, and got them

more when I had more cream, and I tended to get diarrhea when I had a

lot of butter. As it turns out, I had tested high for IgA anti-casein

.... but I kinda blocked that out at the time. Anyway, I gave up casein

as an experiment, last February, and haven't had a migraine since.

Before that I had 5 a month (I kept a log).

>

> I'd also like to try kefir. I'm just discouraged that all these months

> have gone by, and my

> allergies seem to be worse, and my gut is bloating up again. I don't

> have hardly any fruit

> so it isn't a sugar thing either. I agree with you about the " high

> fructose corn syrup " ugh.

In the gluten intolerance group, kefir seems to be THE BEST probiotic.

It works great for me! Mind you I can't take milk kefir, so I make

" kefir beer " (or kefir pop for the non-alcoholic folks).

A LOT of people who react to gluten also react to casein though, for

reasons I don't understand. My dh also reacts to peanuts and sorghum. So

you just have to figure out YOU. Also, taking Pepto Bismol for a week

or two (Dr. Fine's recipe was 8 pills a day) might settle your gut,

which will make diagnosing the allergens easier.

> I'm so glad that you were able to get well. And especially from that

> horrid Sjogrens, brrrrr.

> How long did it take you to feel better going without grains? I just

> really thought I'd be

> doing better by now.

Hee hee. I'm STILL getting better! So far I feel 10 years younger than I

did a few years ago. At this rate I'll be down to a teenager by the time

I'm 60 ...

-- Heidi JEan

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My older son is intolerant to corn too - it makes him very hyperactive and

aggressive.

BTW, we found wheat free tamari at our health food store before we realized

the boys were intolerant to soy - my husband and I still use it in stir

fries after the boys' portions are pulled out and it tastes great to us.

Just an FYI.

Alese

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From: Heidi [mailto:heidis@...]

Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:49 PM

Subject: Re: General Question...Heidi

Alese wrote:

> Both my boys are gluten AND casein intolerant (among other things) too.

The

> do seem to run together although not sure why. Soy intolerance also seems

> to be popular in people who are casein intolerant (especially in autism)

> because it's structured similarly to casein. Both my boys are also soy

> intolerant.

>

>

>

> Alese

>

I have not experimented with soy, mainly because it's not interesting to

me as a food and soy sauce usually has wheat in it anyway. But corn

seems to affect a lot of people too. I find when I overdo it, my finger

joints have problems, though not nearly to the extent that wheat cause

problems.

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Hi Heidi,

> After a year of being GF, I was still getting migraines, and got them

> more when I had more cream, and I tended to get diarrhea when I had a

> lot of butter. As it turns out, I had tested high for IgA anti-casein

> ... but I kinda blocked that out at the time. Anyway, I gave up casein

> as an experiment, last February, and haven't had a migraine since.

> Before that I had 5 a month (I kept a log).

I'm keeping a log also. What do you use in place of butter? I like butter

mixed up with my

cooked squash, lol. My problem is, with these allergy tests, that I'm pretty

much allergic

to everything. If I eat anything, I'll test positive to it. So I try to

rotate, but I have to eat

something.

> In the gluten intolerance group, kefir seems to be THE BEST probiotic.

> It works great for me! Mind you I can't take milk kefir, so I make

> " kefir beer " (or kefir pop for the non-alcoholic folks).

I've not been able to tolerate gluten ALL MY LIFE! And I was born with all

these allergies

and asthma. I have no desire to even have grains again, and corn is one of my

main

killers, ugh. Kefir beer/pop? Is it just as healthful as the milk kefir? I've

been to Dom's

site (thanks to all for the links) and I see that he really Stresses getting the

right kefir to

start with. All this is so new. Kefir beer? I haven't drank any alcohol in

ages so I wonder if

this stuff would send me spinning. I can just see me (wandering around in the

street out

front with a bottle of kefir beer, wrapped in brown paper) now........ " Honust,

off'cer (hic) I

wuz jus tryin ta git (hic) ta muh mailbox, hic. " LOL I guess kefir beer isn't

the same as the

pop? How does one make these, and which one should I start with? My husband

wants to

try this also. I'd also like to know how to make it with raw goat milk. I

found a couple of

raw goat milk sources near me! Do any of you folks have kefir I could get from

you? I

want to be sure I get the real thing. Sorry for all the beginner questions, but

my gut &

allergies are driving me nuts. And the Spring is coming when I am ALWAYS at my

worse,

allergy-wise. So I'd like to start on this now. Heidi, and others, please tell

me more about

the kefir beer/pop.

> A LOT of people who react to gluten also react to casein though, for

> reasons I don't understand. My dh also reacts to peanuts and sorghum. So

> you just have to figure out YOU. Also, taking Pepto Bismol for a week

> or two (Dr. Fine's recipe was 8 pills a day) might settle your gut,

> which will make diagnosing the allergens easier.

I hear ya about the casein. That is why I'm going to try to see if raw goat

yogurt would be

better for me, and kefir beer or pop. I'd better go easy or not at all on the

casein. I'll try

the Pepto too. I had a GI once tell me that they actually use that to kill off

certain bugs in

their patient's guts.

> Hee hee. I'm STILL getting better! So far I feel 10 years younger than I

> did a few years ago. At this rate I'll be down to a teenager by the time

> I'm 60 ...

Oh, I hope that I can do that. Right now, if you're only as old as you feel,

I'm 148. Cause I

sure don't feel like the 48 that I am, sigh.

Thanks for the help with this.

'

[Guest guest]

My kids have squash all the time and I mix it up with olive oil, salt and

pepper. I toss in honey every once in a while to mix things up, but my

younger son just about rips my hand off trying to get it from me. I also

take 4 eggs, 1 cup of pureed squash, 1tsp cinnamon, 1 tsp vanilla and 2tsp

coconut oil and make a batter and then cook as little pancakes. Those are a

huge hit in this house. I don't just use squash in the pancakes -

applesauce, pear sauce, peach sauce, roasted sweet potatoes, etc. Granted

it's food for children, but my mom commented today on how good the pancakes

sounded. Maybe worth a try.

Good luck

Alese

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From: reborn1000 [mailto:reborn1000@...]

Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: General Question...Heidi

I'm keeping a log also. What do you use in place of butter? I like butter

mixed up with my

cooked squash, lol. My problem is, with these allergy tests, that I'm

pretty much allergic

to everything. If I eat anything, I'll test positive to it. So I try to

rotate, but I have to eat

something.

[Guest guest]

reborn1000 wrote:

>

> I'm keeping a log also. What do you use in place of butter? I like

> butter mixed up with my

> cooked squash, lol. My problem is, with these allergy tests, that I'm

> pretty much allergic

> to everything. If I eat anything, I'll test positive to it. So I try

> to rotate, but I have to eat

> something.

Sounds like you have leaky gut ... when the gut heals, often the

" allergic to everything " part goes away. They have found though, that

after a person goes GF, the gut gets MORE leaky as the villi heal, for a

bit. Then after it heals things are better.

As for butter ... I was using olive oil and coconut oil instead even

before I went CF, mainly because I keep the butter in the fridge and

it's too hard (and I'm lazy). I keep olive oil in a little shaker bottle

.... my favorite is hard hard toast (biscotti) rubbed with garlic, a

little salt, and olive oil. But coconut oil mixed with a little salt

melts like butter and mainly tastes like butter, on most things (I get

the expeller pressed, so it doesn't taste like coconuts).

> I've not been able to tolerate gluten ALL MY LIFE! And I was born with

> all these allergies

> and asthma. I have no desire to even have grains again, and corn is one

> of my main

> killers, ugh.

Sorry to hear it, though it's good to hear they caught it early. I don't

think grains and humans mix very well, at least for some genotypes. I

have to watch corn myself or I get joint pain. I don't have the IgE

allergies much at all (the asthma type) so I don't have any experience

with them.

Kefir beer/pop? Is it just as healthful as the milk

> kefir? I've been to Dom's

> site (thanks to all for the links) and I see that he really Stresses

> getting the right kefir to

> start with.

It works for me, and has for other people. There is a PDF writup in the

FILES section. If you want less alcohol, just ferment it for less time:

experiment. Fruit juice kefir beer has very little alcohol in any case.

I call it " beer " because I DO miss " real " beer, but the less-fermented

versions are more like kefir pop, and people give it to their kids.

Lacto-fermented juice (cider) was a big deal in the pioneer days,

everyone drank it including the kids. " An apple a day keeps the doctor

away " likely refers to cider ...

I'd love to send some grains but I'm already behind on the LAST batch

I'm supposed to send (lots of stuff went wrong here lately!). I'm sure

there are folks who can though, and maybe I'll clear off my plate here.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

My youngest son (21 months) has severe leaky gut and malabsorption - he

doesn't tolerate any foods. Some foods he tolerates better than others so

we stick to those and give him enzymes. His chiropractor is also ordering

some homeopathic remedies (no clue which ones) in order to heal the gut and

he's on a whole host of supplements in order to heal the gut damage and

oxidative damage that popped up on his tests. So far we've found that

gluten, casein, soy, tomatoes, vinegars, citrus, and tree nuts will cause

his stool to become such that it chemically burns his skin along with nasty

diarrhea and a resurgence of his reflux. We mostly stick to eggs, meats,

honey, pureed fruits and pureed vegetables.

My older son (4) also has leaky gut (no gluten, casein, soy, corn or

bananas) but doesn't have the malabsorption issues my younger one has.

It's nasty, nasty stuff, to be sure.

Alese

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From: Heidi [mailto:heidis@...]

Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:36 AM

Subject: Re: General Question...Heidi

Sounds like you have leaky gut ... when the gut heals, often the

" allergic to everything " part goes away. They have found though, that

after a person goes GF, the gut gets MORE leaky as the villi heal, for a

bit. Then after it heals things are better.

[Guest guest]

Never heard of it - but I will definitely put those books on my " To Read "

list. My son is currently under the care of an alternative doctor, but I'm

always looking for new information on natural living/healing. I work very

closely with my sons' doctor and we are always tossing ideas back and forth.

I'm also in school for holistic nutrition and naturopathy so these will fit

into my studies nicely.

Thanks for the heads up!

Alese

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From: April Myers [mailto:myers_45@...]

Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:03 PM

Subject: Re: General Question...Heidi

Dear Alese,

Have you read Rubin's story. He was dying of Chrons Disease at

age 19 and through years of searching eventually healed himself. He wrote

" Patient Heal Thyself. " He developed what is called the makers-diet, which

coincides well with Weston Price organization ( and Sally Fallon's book

" Nourishing Traditions). He talks a lot about allergies and digestive

health in his other book called, " The maker's diet. "

One of the products he developed is called " Primal Defense " I guess it has

special micro-organisms that are commonly found in soil. any way it might

be of great value to research this. There is a group called the

makers diet. And his websites include

www.gardenoflifeusa.com<http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/> and

www.MakersDiet.com<http://www.makersdiet.com/>

April

Re: General Question...Heidi

Sounds like you have leaky gut ... when the gut heals, often the

" allergic to everything " part goes away. They have found though, that

after a person goes GF, the gut gets MORE leaky as the villi heal, for a

bit. Then after it heals things are better.

[Guest guest]

Hi Heidi,

> Sounds like you have leaky gut ... when the gut heals, often the

> " allergic to everything " part goes away. They have found though, that

> after a person goes GF, the gut gets MORE leaky as the villi heal, for a

> bit. Then after it heals things are better.

Yep, leaky gut for sure. And when my gut is all irritated I have foods I can't

eat. When my

gut is happier, I can then eat those same foods. So what you say makes perfect

sense to

me. UGH, MORE leaky as the villi heal? I sure hope that that is what is

happening to me

right now.

> It works for me, and has for other people. There is a PDF writup in the

> FILES section. If you want less alcohol, just ferment it for less time:

> experiment. Fruit juice kefir beer has very little alcohol in any case.

> I call it " beer " because I DO miss " real " beer, but the less-fermented

> versions are more like kefir pop, and people give it to their kids.

> Lacto-fermented juice (cider) was a big deal in the pioneer days,

> everyone drank it including the kids. " An apple a day keeps the doctor

> away " likely refers to cider ...

I'll check that PDF out thanks. Actually, I would probably enjoy " old fashioned

ale " but the

typical beers sold today are dull. A.B. has their world headquarters here, and

so most

everyone drinks their beer, Busch, etc. I think I'm gonna try to make the kefir

out of raw

goat's milk first. Dom's site has tips to get rid of most of the lactose in it.

BUT if I can

handle that, then I'd love to try the " apple cider beer or pop " .

> I'd love to send some grains but I'm already behind on the LAST batch

> I'm supposed to send (lots of stuff went wrong here lately!). I'm sure

> there are folks who can though, and maybe I'll clear off my plate here.

Thanks for the thought anyway. If no one here has any to part with I will email

Dom and

see if he can find me some. I wouldn't be concerned about some from him, or

anyone

here, but these days, well, I'd just like to know that it isn't coming to me

laced with

something else. :-\

'

[Guest guest]

Dear Alese,

Have you read Rubin's story. He was dying of Chrons Disease at age

19 and through years of searching eventually healed himself. He wrote " Patient

Heal Thyself. " He developed what is called the makers-diet, which coincides

well with Weston Price organization ( and Sally Fallon's book " Nourishing

Traditions). He talks a lot about allergies and digestive health in his other

book called, " The maker's diet. "

One of the products he developed is called " Primal Defense " I guess it has

special micro-organisms that are commonly found in soil. any way it might be of

great value to research this. There is a group called the makers diet.

And his websites include

www.gardenoflifeusa.com<http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/> and

www.MakersDiet.com<http://www.makersdiet.com/>

April

Re: General Question...Heidi

Sounds like you have leaky gut ... when the gut heals, often the

" allergic to everything " part goes away. They have found though, that

after a person goes GF, the gut gets MORE leaky as the villi heal, for a

bit. Then after it heals things are better.

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

That was a great post. You cleared up several things that were confusing me

-- all at the same time.

Thanks for putting yourself out there. You never know who you help on

public lists like these.

Ron

> reborn1000 wrote:

> >

> > I'm keeping a log also. What do you use in place of

> butter? I like

> > butter mixed up with my

> > cooked squash, lol. My problem is, with these allergy

> tests, that I'm

> > pretty much allergic

> > to everything. If I eat anything, I'll test positive to

> it. So I try

> > to rotate, but I have to eat

> > something.

>

> Sounds like you have leaky gut ... when the gut heals, often the

> " allergic to everything " part goes away. They have found though, that

> after a person goes GF, the gut gets MORE leaky as the villi

> heal, for a

> bit. Then after it heals things are better.

>

> As for butter ... I was using olive oil and coconut oil instead even

> before I went CF, mainly because I keep the butter in the fridge and

> it's too hard (and I'm lazy). I keep olive oil in a little

> shaker bottle

> ... my favorite is hard hard toast (biscotti) rubbed with garlic, a

> little salt, and olive oil. But coconut oil mixed with a little salt

> melts like butter and mainly tastes like butter, on most

> things (I get

> the expeller pressed, so it doesn't taste like coconuts).

>

>

> > I've not been able to tolerate gluten ALL MY LIFE! And I

> was born with

> > all these allergies

> > and asthma. I have no desire to even have grains again,

> and corn is one

> > of my main

> > killers, ugh.

>

> Sorry to hear it, though it's good to hear they caught it

> early. I don't

> think grains and humans mix very well, at least for some genotypes. I

> have to watch corn myself or I get joint pain. I don't have the IgE

> allergies much at all (the asthma type) so I don't have any

> experience

> with them.

>

>

>

> Kefir beer/pop? Is it just as healthful as the milk

> > kefir? I've been to Dom's

> > site (thanks to all for the links) and I see that he really

> Stresses

> > getting the right kefir to

> > start with.

>

> It works for me, and has for other people. There is a PDF

> writup in the

> FILES section. If you want less alcohol, just ferment it for

> less time:

> experiment. Fruit juice kefir beer has very little alcohol in

> any case.

> I call it " beer " because I DO miss " real " beer, but the

> less-fermented

> versions are more like kefir pop, and people give it to their kids.

> Lacto-fermented juice (cider) was a big deal in the pioneer days,

> everyone drank it including the kids. " An apple a day keeps

> the doctor

> away " likely refers to cider ...

>

> I'd love to send some grains but I'm already behind on the LAST batch

> I'm supposed to send (lots of stuff went wrong here lately!).

> I'm sure

> there are folks who can though, and maybe I'll clear off my

> plate here.

>

> -- Heidi Jean

>

[Guest guest]

RBJR wrote:

> Heidi,

>

> That was a great post. You cleared up several things that were confusing me

> -- all at the same time.

>

> Thanks for putting yourself out there. You never know who you help on

> public lists like these.

>

> Ron

Well, thanks, that's what makes it worth it. What's really funny is I

meet someone and they give me some great advice and I ask where they

learned it and they say " oh, from you, a few years ago! " Now if I could

only REMEMBER this stuff ...

-- Heidi Jean