Re: General Question...

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> I follow the SCD too, and there's no incompatibility between 24-hour

> fermentation and raw. If your raw milk and cream are grass-fed and fresh

> enough, you can successfully make yoghurt without first heating the

> dairy. You could also make kefir, which isn't technically SCD-legal but

> which successfully eliminates virtually all lactose if you ferment it long

> enough.

" No imcompatibility between 24hr fermentation and raw? " Do you mean that a

scd'er can

drink raw dairy okay or do you mean we can use raw dairy for the yogurt or both,

lol? I

am really enjoying the scd, and am new to eating healthy. I haven't yet found

anyone in

my area (St. Louis suburb) who has raw (grass-fed) milk available to me so I've

been

ordering my raw butter from Organic Pastures Dairy on line. They sell grass fed

dairy, and

even better, they have Cream (I make my yogurt with half 'n half) but I don't

know how

fresh the stuff would be by the time it got into my hands. Would I just take

their cream or

milk and mix the " yogurt starter " into it, and start fermenting it as is? I

read on the

Organic Pastures Dairy site that raw milk already has lots of good bacteria in

it. So would

the existing bacteria interfere with the yogurt starter? Does it still ferment

for 24 hours if

we didn't boil it first?

I've got a yogormet from Lucy, and I make great half n half yogurt in it. My

husband is

also on the scd, and the yogurt is his favorite part, lol. Both of us used to

dislike dairy

(dairy as in......margarine, kraft american cheese slices, reg. store milk, gag)

but he is

interested in trying raw milk too.

, thanks for sharing. As far as eating healthy goes, I'm ashamed to say

that I feel like

I've been " living asleep " for most of my life, sigh. I just had no idea! But,

hopefully, an old

dog can indeed learn new tricks, LOL.

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scd 7 months

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> Hi ,

> First I wanted to say that I replied to an email you sent me off-list

> several weeks ago, but I have a feeling that you didn't receive it.

> I wanted you to know that I tried!

Oh gosh, I'm really sorry about that. I found out a while back that I wasn't

getting all my

emails, and one friend even got her emails bouncing back to her.

said it was

a temporary glitch of some kind, and it is hopefully resolved now.

> I can't eat dairy (casein allergy and lactose intolerance), but a few

> years ago I tried raw goat milk kefir. I had problems (gas) with it

> because all of the lactose wasn't gone. I plan to try raw goat milk

> yogurt (long ferment) in the near future to see if I can tolerate it.

I sure hope that you can. I love the 24 hour yogurt I eat.

> However, I did the kefir for 2 months. Most of the time, I had raw

> milk, but sometimes I wouldn't and I'd have to buy pasteurized goat

> milk from the HFS. It was *amazing* to me how much better the kefir

> grains fared in the raw milk. They grew better, the fermenting

> process just went better in general. When I'd keep the grains in

> pasteurized milk in the fridge for a few days, the milk would go bad

> and get gross. When I kept the grains in raw milk in the fridge for

> a few days, they'd stay happy and so would the milk!

Amazing! Brrrrr, that just makes me want to do my yogurt in the raw milk all

the more.

I'd find it hard to eat the dead milk after seeing what you saw, lol.

> Interestingly, even though I had gas the 2 months I did the raw milk

> kefir, I also felt really good during those 2 months. I've got CFS.

> I don't know if it was a mere coincidence or because of good things

> in the raw milk.

Ya know, I wonder if the gas would've gone away after a bit? Before starting

the SCD I was

always bloated like a woman 9 months pregnant, and for 4 months (after starting

the SCD)

I remained that way. Then my bloating went away until my 7th month on the diet,

and

now it is somewhat back. I know the bloating and gas isn't any fun, sigh.

There is a list of

parents who have their autistic kids on the SCD, and one lady put her child on

kefir, and

got incredible results. I'm wanting to try kefir, and I'll use the raw milk.

Hopefully you'll

be able to try it again too. What is CFS? I should've googled it, but didn't

think about it

until now. Brain fog just ain't no fun.

> Currently, 8 of my friends and their children drink raw milk or raw

> kefir daily. They all love it and have no problems with it. My dad

> also spent his childhood summers at his grandparents farm and always

> drank raw milk.

>

> I know that it seems crazy at first because it's the opposite of what

> we've been taught, but if your raw milk comes from good cows on grass

> who are milked in a hygienic environment, it is much better for you

> than pasteurized milk. Perhaps reading Ron Schmid's book on the

> history of milk might calm your fears? Also, remember that it's been

> sold in CA stores for many years with zero incidences of food-borne

> illnesses.

Thanks for all your help . Just talking about it with you and the others

here has really

helped a lot today. I'm getting excited to give it a try. And will be hoping

that you'll be

able to go back to the kefir soon also. But DO give the goat yogurt a try.

I've also got milk

allergies, but I've been able to tolerate the 24 hour yogurt.

love,

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> Try making kefir with your (raw) milk. It is similar to yogurt in that

> it cultures the milk with live organisms. You can ferment the kefir

> until it is sour like plain yogurt.

> For more info and cultures see:

> kefir_making/

Thanks for the link. I don't know anything about kefir yet, but I'm wanting to

learn.

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[Guest guest]

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> Ya know, I wonder if the gas would've gone away after a bit?

Before starting the SCD I was

> always bloated like a woman 9 months pregnant, and for 4 months

(after starting the SCD)

> I remained that way. Then my bloating went away until my 7th month

on the diet, and

> now it is somewhat back. I know the bloating and gas isn't any

fun, sigh. There is a list of

> parents who have their autistic kids on the SCD, and one lady put

her child on kefir, and

> got incredible results. I'm wanting to try kefir, and I'll use the

raw milk. Hopefully you'll

> be able to try it again too.

I'm susceptible to even tiny amounts of lactose, so I don't know if

the gas would go away as long as I consumed any. Maybe one day!

Kefir is great, though. I didn't like it at first, but I wasn't fond

of any sour milk product at that time. I kept drinking it out of

discipline and ended up loving/craving it! I had 2 friends who also

didn't like it at first and I encouraged them to keep drinking a

little every day. They love it now as well.

>What is CFS? I should've googled it, but didn't think about it

> until now. Brain fog just ain't no fun.

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I've had it for almost 12 years, but I've

been improving lately.

> Thanks for all your help . Just talking about it with you and

the others here has really

> helped a lot today.

You're welcome. I find listening to others' stories is a great

encouragement/inspiration/education!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> I'm susceptible to even tiny amounts of lactose, so I don't know if

> the gas would go away as long as I consumed any. Maybe one day!

> Kefir is great, though. I didn't like it at first, but I wasn't fond

> of any sour milk product at that time. I kept drinking it out of

> discipline and ended up loving/craving it! I had 2 friends who also

> didn't like it at first and I encouraged them to keep drinking a

> little every day. They love it now as well.

Have you tried having that Kefir " pop " stuff that Heidi drinks? I'm going to

ask her more

about that in a minute. I've been diagnosed as having glutten (and corn)

allergies PLUS

casein too, but I've ignored the casein and just eaten the dairy anyway. But

since I seem to

be getting even MORE allergic these days, perhaps I'd better try a dairy free

kefir or a kefir

out of raw goat milk.

You can make kefir out of coconut milk too, but I'm afraid that I might be

allergic to that

as well.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ',

> Have you tried having that Kefir " pop " stuff that Heidi drinks?

Yes, I make kefir " pop " w/apple juice. I haven't noticed any

beneficial health changes from drinking it, but I like the taste! Is

juice allowed on SCD, though? I don't remember.

You asked about butter in another post. I use ghee liberally and

love it. (I like butter better, but it's not an option for me since

I've got the casein/lactose problems.) Purity Farms ghee is great --

you should be able to get it at a HFS. No casein, no lactose & can

store at room temp.

For some reason I have a strong negative visceral reaction to coconut

oil, so I avoid that currently in spite of its benefits. I'll try

again one day.

Also, if no one here has kefir grains for you, you can purchase good

ones from GEM Cultures. That's where I got mine originally. I think

NT might list their address/phone.

[Guest guest]

HI ,

> Yes, I make kefir " pop " w/apple juice. I haven't noticed any

> beneficial health changes from drinking it, but I like the taste! Is

> juice allowed on SCD, though? I don't remember.

Yep, one can have juices on the SCD. I'm going to try making kefir with raw

goat milk I

think. And then I wanna try the beer and pop. Sounds so yummy.

> You asked about butter in another post. I use ghee liberally and

> love it. (I like butter better, but it's not an option for me since

> I've got the casein/lactose problems.) Purity Farms ghee is great --

> you should be able to get it at a HFS. No casein, no lactose & can

> store at room temp.

Ghee? I forgot about that, lol. I thought that real butter was basically 100%

fat so the

lactose and protein are pretty much gone???

> Also, if no one here has kefir grains for you, you can purchase good

> ones from GEM Cultures. That's where I got mine originally. I think

> NT might list their address/phone.

Thanks for this tip. Do you know if raw goat milk has to be heating and cooled

before I

can use it to make the kefir?

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[Guest guest]

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> Ghee? I forgot about that, lol. I thought that real butter was

basically 100% fat so the

> lactose and protein are pretty much gone???

My understanding is that butter is about 80% fat. I'd guess that

actual percentage varies. Ghee is 100% fat. I guess it depends how

sensitive you are; some people can tolerate butter, but I still have

problems with it. No problem w/ghee.

> Thanks for this tip. Do you know if raw goat milk has to be

heating and cooled before I

> can use it to make the kefir?

Nope, no need to heat/cool milk when making kefir. Just plop the

grains in the fresh milk! It couldn't be easier.

[Guest guest]

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> " No imcompatibility between 24hr fermentation and raw? " Do you mean that

>a scd'er can

>drink raw dairy okay or do you mean we can use raw dairy for the yogurt or

>both, lol?

Raw grass-fed dairy can, if it's fresh and clean, be made into 24-hour

yoghurt without first heating it. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

>Would I just take their cream or

>milk and mix the " yogurt starter " into it, and start fermenting it as

>is? I read on the

>Organic Pastures Dairy site that raw milk already has lots of good

>bacteria in it. So would

>the existing bacteria interfere with the yogurt starter? Does it still

>ferment for 24 hours if

>we didn't boil it first?

It depends on how clean and fresh the dairy is. Raw dairy does have

bacteria in it, and if it sits around long enough, even under

refrigeration, those bacteria will multiply enough to compete with the

yoghurt starter bacteria.

>, thanks for sharing. As far as eating healthy goes, I'm ashamed to

>say that I feel like

>I've been " living asleep " for most of my life, sigh. I just had no

>idea! But, hopefully, an old

>dog can indeed learn new tricks, LOL.

Yeah, it is kind of like Carpenter's movie " They Live " . One day you

put on some glasses, and bang-o, the world's completely different from what

you thought it was!

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