Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I feel like I've read, in some of the past posts here on this site, that some folks have improved or (dare I say it?) cured their PSSD by going back on a very low dose of SSRIs... I can't recall where I read it, but I know someone on here mentioned that. Does anyone recall any information regarding this? Why would this be helpful for some people? Just curious... Thanks! Happy New Year everyone! May 2010 bring us all the dramatic improvements in our health (sexual, physical, and mental) that we're all hoping for! -M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 my libido killer was seroxat, i was fine when i was on it but when i came off it libido was nil. when i went onto a similiar dose of duloxetine my libido was back. I'm off it again now and libido has hit the floor again. (i know you are asking about smaller doses but i thought I'd mention this anyway) > > I feel like I've read, in some of the past posts here on this site, that some folks have improved or (dare I say it?) cured their PSSD by going back on a very low dose of SSRIs... I can't recall where I read it, but I know someone on here mentioned that. > > Does anyone recall any information regarding this? Why would this be helpful for some people? > > Just curious... > > Thanks! > > Happy New Year everyone! May 2010 bring us all the dramatic improvements in our health (sexual, physical, and mental) that we're all hoping for! > > -M > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I'm just curious, if your libido came back on duloxetine/seroxat, why not just stay on one of those meds? Why go off it your libido is nil when you're not on the meds? I know there's many people on this site who would strongly disagree with me, but if these meds are working for you, why stop them? Just curious. Best, -M > > > > I feel like I've read, in some of the past posts here on this site, that some folks have improved or (dare I say it?) cured their PSSD by going back on a very low dose of SSRIs... I can't recall where I read it, but I know someone on here mentioned that. > > > > Does anyone recall any information regarding this? Why would this be helpful for some people? > > > > Just curious... > > > > Thanks! > > > > Happy New Year everyone! May 2010 bring us all the dramatic improvements in our health (sexual, physical, and mental) that we're all hoping for! > > > > -M > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hi,Isn't that in a way that when you take seroxat and quit you lose libido but when you take it for long time you lose it anyway...So no point to take too long just to have libido as it's temporary.As for other than SSRI drugs I see it in this way:>Seroxat is typical SSRI so it plays with your serotonin reuptake only. It inhibits it. Wikipedia says that:....pure SSRIs having only weak affinity for the noradrenalin> and dopamine transporter....The question is which are pure. So, additionally it has influence on dopamine and noradrenalin (weak??? what does it mean?).Anyway, after quitting SSRI you have your serotonin reuptake screwed up. It has influence on everything in a body e.g. dopamine and noradrenalinand more since the human body is too much complicated for doctors than they think.If you take duloxetine you start playing with other than serotonin neurotransmitters. This medicine is serotonin-norepinephrine reuptakeinhibitor (norepinephrine = noradrenalin).Sometimes people are prescribed wellbutrin. This one is a strong norepinephrine and weak dopamine reuptake inhibitor. So again you'replaying with other neurotransmitters instead of curing the reason of PSSD.The doctors will give you literally ANYTHING just to change your condition (PSSD), get back your libido at least for a moment. They don't want to get deep into the source of problem.In my opinion the PSSD is the problem of reuptake mechanism which introduces the imbalance in the whole body i.e. serotonin transport is affected andit influences the dopamine, noradrenalin etc etc... Taking SNRI to cure PSSD causedby SSRI is not a good idea in my opinion.Aga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 i have thought about it and i dont rule out going back on them, but i am still coming to terms with the damage they've done.i didn't go on the duloxetine to fix my libido, i went on it to fix a bout of depression.i am coping with the depression at the moment, hence coming off duloxetine.i was also quite aggressive on duloxetine, that was another reason to stop using it.it's only since coming off duloxetine that i discovered that my low sex drive is probably to do with pssri rather than depressionTo: SSRIsex Sent: Wed, 13 January, 2010 3:56:03Subject: Re: low dose SSRI I'm just curious, if your libido came back on duloxetine/seroxat, why not just stay on one of those meds? Why go off it your libido is nil when you're not on the meds? I know there's many people on this site who would strongly disagree with me, but if these meds are working for you, why stop them? Just curious. Best, -M > > > > I feel like I've read, in some of the past posts here on this site, that some folks have improved or (dare I say it?) cured their PSSD by going back on a very low dose of SSRIs... I can't recall where I read it, but I know someone on here mentioned that. > > > > Does anyone recall any information regarding this? Why would this be helpful for some people? > > > > Just curious... > > > > Thanks! > > > > Happy New Year everyone! May 2010 bring us all the dramatic improvements in our health (sexual, physical, and mental) that we're all hoping for! > > > > -M > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I totally agree. Anyone who plays about with antidepressant drugs after they have destroyed their sex drive has 'nerves of steel' in my oppinion. I'm literally petrified of how dangerous and toxic to the brain these drugs actually are. My approach is to stay well away from these dreadful medicines and hope my brain eventually recovers. Also, antidepressant drugs can actually make depression worse in large amounts of people: An immense number of patients get worse from new antidepressant drugs, says Vice President of The Swedish Psychiatric Association ''Speaking on antidepressants the Vice President of The Swedish Psychiatric Association, Dr. Spjut, said Sunday that "an immense number of persons get worse from this". She said that many persons take these drugs for years "where the antidepressant drugs make them continue to be depressed". http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/view_press_release.php?rID=20858 Antidepressants are no more effctive than active placebos. And if they do help some people it is not statistically significant and is certainly less than one in a hundred. We all took a massive risks and sustained terrible injuries for something no more effective than a suger pill. Kavy >> Hi,> > Isn't that in a way that when you take seroxat and quit> you lose libido but when you take it for long time you lose it anyway...> So no point to take too long just to have libido as it's temporary.> > As for other than SSRI drugs I see it in this way:> >> Seroxat is typical SSRI so it plays with your serotoninreuptake only. It inhibits it. Wikipediasays that:> .....pure SSRIs having only weak affinity for the noradrenalin> > and dopamine transporter....> The question is which are pure. > So, additionally it has influence on dopamine and noradrenalin (weak??? what does it mean?).> Anyway, after quitting SSRI you have your serotonin reuptakescrewed up. It has influence on everything in a body e.g. dopamine and noradrenalin> and more since the human bodyis too much complicated for doctors than theythink.> If you take duloxetine you start playing with other thanserotonin neurotransmitters. This medicine is serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake> inhibitor (norepinephrine = noradrenalin).> Sometimes people are prescribed wellbutrin. This one is astrong norepinephrine and weak dopamine reuptake inhibitor. So again you're> playing with other neurotransmitters instead of curing the reason of PSSD.> The doctors will give you literally ANYTHING just to changeyour condition (PSSD), get back your libido at least for a moment. They don't want to get deep into the source of problem.> In my opinion the PSSD is the problem of reuptake mechanism whichintroduces the imbalance in the whole body i.e. serotonin transport is affected and> it influences the dopamine, noradrenalin etc etc... Taking SNRI to cure PSSD caused> by SSRI is not a good idea in my opinion.> Aga> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 You have a right to your opinion but many people on this site disagree. We still don't really know what is wrong other than our sexual function being impaired. All we have are theories. Obviously I wish that I hadn't taken SSRI's in the first place. But I also think that if we all just sit around " hoping " for our libidos to come back or for some guaranteed magic pill to turn things around, we're going to be waiting a long time. I think some people do regain their libidos when they go back on SSRI's. I may try it myself, but not before I try other things. My libido couldn't get any worse and I'm not just going to sit around waiting for it to get better. Warren > > > > Hi, > > > > Isn't that in a way that when you take seroxat and quit > > you lose libido but when you take it for long time you lose it > anyway... > > So no point to take too long just to have libido as it's temporary. > > > > As for other than SSRI drugs I see it in this way: > > > > > Seroxat is typical SSRI so it plays with your serotoninreuptake only. > It inhibits it. Wikipediasays that: > > .....pure SSRIs having only weak affinity for the noradrenalin > > > and dopamine transporter.... > > The question is which are pure. > > So, additionally it has influence on dopamine and noradrenalin > (weak??? what does it mean?). > > Anyway, after quitting SSRI you have your serotonin reuptakescrewed > up. It has influence on everything in a body e.g. dopamine and > noradrenalin > > and more since the human bodyis too much complicated for doctors than > theythink. > > If you take duloxetine you start playing with other thanserotonin > neurotransmitters. This medicine is serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake > > inhibitor (norepinephrine = noradrenalin). > > Sometimes people are prescribed wellbutrin. This one is astrong > norepinephrine and weak dopamine reuptake inhibitor. So again you're > > playing with other neurotransmitters instead of curing the reason of > PSSD. > > The doctors will give you literally ANYTHING just to changeyour > condition (PSSD), get back your libido at least for a moment. They don't > want to get deep into the source of problem. > > In my opinion the PSSD is the problem of reuptake mechanism > whichintroduces the imbalance in the whole body i.e. serotonin transport > is affected and > > it influences the dopamine, noradrenalin etc etc... Taking SNRI to > cure PSSD caused > > by SSRI is not a good idea in my opinion. > > Aga > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Like many people on this site, my sex life has been fairly destroyed by SSRIs. For that I'm angry beyond words, and truly desperate to find a solution to my problem. However, I'm trying not to let my anger overpower every other emotion. I take issue with the idea that SSRIs are no more effective than a sugar pill. Really? Come on... Let's get real here. SSRIs may not work for many people, but they are very effective for millions of people out there. Look online at numerous sites and you'll see thousands (if not millions) of people whose lives have been dramatically improved by modern medicine. Yes, for many of us these meds have had a profoundly destructive role in our lives. I for one don't doubt that - it's why I'm on this site. But are we all so angry about what's happened to us that that overpowers any good that these drugs have done or may do in anyone else's life? I certainly believe that everyone should know what they're getting into - and that these companies or doctors should find a way to cure those of us who've been adversely affected by these meds. But I for one would not completely rule them out and call them poison. There are thousands of drugs out there that solve one problem and unfortunately cause another - SSRIs are not unique in this manner. And there are many people for whom these drugs are a life saver. I for one wouldn't stand in the way of someone else possibly getting help. -M > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Isn't that in a way that when you take seroxat and quit > > > you lose libido but when you take it for long time you lose it > > anyway... > > > So no point to take too long just to have libido as it's temporary. > > > > > > As for other than SSRI drugs I see it in this way: > > > > > > > Seroxat is typical SSRI so it plays with your serotoninreuptake only. > > It inhibits it. Wikipediasays that: > > > .....pure SSRIs having only weak affinity for the noradrenalin > > > > and dopamine transporter.... > > > The question is which are pure. > > > So, additionally it has influence on dopamine and noradrenalin > > (weak??? what does it mean?). > > > Anyway, after quitting SSRI you have your serotonin reuptakescrewed > > up. It has influence on everything in a body e.g. dopamine and > > noradrenalin > > > and more since the human bodyis too much complicated for doctors than > > theythink. > > > If you take duloxetine you start playing with other thanserotonin > > neurotransmitters. This medicine is serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake > > > inhibitor (norepinephrine = noradrenalin). > > > Sometimes people are prescribed wellbutrin. This one is astrong > > norepinephrine and weak dopamine reuptake inhibitor. So again you're > > > playing with other neurotransmitters instead of curing the reason of > > PSSD. > > > The doctors will give you literally ANYTHING just to changeyour > > condition (PSSD), get back your libido at least for a moment. They don't > > want to get deep into the source of problem. > > > In my opinion the PSSD is the problem of reuptake mechanism > > whichintroduces the imbalance in the whole body i.e. serotonin transport > > is affected and > > > it influences the dopamine, noradrenalin etc etc... Taking SNRI to > > cure PSSD caused > > > by SSRI is not a good idea in my opinion. > > > Aga > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 'SSRIs may not work for many people, but they are very effective for millions of people out there. Look online at numerous sites and you'll see thousands (if not millions) of people whose lives have been dramatically improved by modern medicine.' The problem is, if you give these people an active placebo, a real drug with side effects but is not an antidepressant, just as many people get well as those treated with antidepressants. To this day the drug companies still can't prove that these drugs actually work. Dr Irvin Kisrch, an expert on placebos, worked with these drug companies as a hired consultant for a while but he was unable to get any satisfactory results and so the drug companies gave up. The Dirty Little Secret. Irvin Kisrch has had many psychiatrists, scientists, and researchers who work for drug companies secretly say to him that these drugs don't work and this is known within the trade as the 'Dirty Little Secret'. But It Gets Worse. All psychiatrists know that people who are treated with antidepressants are far more likely to relapse after the first year when they come off them than those that haven't been treated - about 80 times more I have read. These drugs, it seems, are much more likely to make depression worse in the long run. And 30% of people taking antidepressants will find that they stop working within the first year and so they will need a higher dose which also peters out eventually. Who knows what is happening to the brains of these people. These are some of the reasons why I think you must be mad to take these medicines. There are more effective and safer ways to treat depression. But if your depression is 'treatment resistant' then that's another story, although I would never have taken these drugs if I had known what I know now. Kavy > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Isn't that in a way that when you take seroxat and quit > > > > you lose libido but when you take it for long time you lose it > > > anyway... > > > > So no point to take too long just to have libido as it's temporary. > > > > > > > > As for other than SSRI drugs I see it in this way: > > > > > > > > > Seroxat is typical SSRI so it plays with your serotoninreuptake only. > > > It inhibits it. Wikipediasays that: > > > > .....pure SSRIs having only weak affinity for the noradrenalin > > > > > and dopamine transporter.... > > > > The question is which are pure. > > > > So, additionally it has influence on dopamine and noradrenalin > > > (weak??? what does it mean?). > > > > Anyway, after quitting SSRI you have your serotonin reuptakescrewed > > > up. It has influence on everything in a body e.g. dopamine and > > > noradrenalin > > > > and more since the human bodyis too much complicated for doctors than > > > theythink. > > > > If you take duloxetine you start playing with other thanserotonin > > > neurotransmitters. This medicine is serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake > > > > inhibitor (norepinephrine = noradrenalin). > > > > Sometimes people are prescribed wellbutrin. This one is astrong > > > norepinephrine and weak dopamine reuptake inhibitor. So again you're > > > > playing with other neurotransmitters instead of curing the reason of > > > PSSD. > > > > The doctors will give you literally ANYTHING just to changeyour > > > condition (PSSD), get back your libido at least for a moment. They don't > > > want to get deep into the source of problem. > > > > In my opinion the PSSD is the problem of reuptake mechanism > > > whichintroduces the imbalance in the whole body i.e. serotonin transport > > > is affected and > > > > it influences the dopamine, noradrenalin etc etc... Taking SNRI to > > > cure PSSD caused > > > > by SSRI is not a good idea in my opinion. > > > > Aga > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I suspect that part of those success-stories at internet forums are written by fake patients who are paid by certain large pharma companies. These paid persons may falsely impersonate great numbers of 'cured' patients. Several pharmaceutical companies are convicted for their aggressive marketing, fraudulent research and political bribery. You can find proof of that on the web. They may also write on this PSSD group as members. > 'SSRIs may not work for many people, but they are very effective for millions of people out there. Look online at numerous sites and you'll see thousands (if not millions) of people whose lives have been dramatically improved by modern medicine.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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