Re: A Business Opportunity?

[Guest guest]

We would have to know how to cure PSSD first, wouldn't we?

Ann

>

> Hi MJ and others,

>

> Millions upon millions of people have been taking these SSRIs for

quite a long

> time now. We know that they often work at first, but in the long-run

they make

> things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people getting on these

things

> for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are just now

coming to

> that realization. This number is going to explode over the next 10-20

years as

> people hit the end of the good effects and realize that they are

hooked. But

> when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are dependent, or

(2) They

> have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if there is an

opportunity

> to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs and/or

treatment of

> PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a Betty Ford

clinic, or

> detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or heroin, or like a

weight

> loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point. It could have

resident

> psychiatrists that would assist them in working through these issues

and support

> groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not a

psychiatrist, but I

> have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have tried to keep

up on it,

> but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have mentioned

elsewhere here,

> I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have lived in

Hong Kong

> since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to help people

get their

> lives back and make some money at the same time.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great idea-- making money off of PSSD sufferers. It shouldn't be too difficult.

We don't really need a cure, just a diagnosis that the insurance companies will

pay $1000 a day to " treat " . I imagine a suitable diagnosis would be some new

manifestation of a " conversion disorder " or " somatoform disorder " --these are

diagnoses used when emotional problems are thought to be the actual cause of

physical symptoms--fashionable back in Freudian times, such as with hysterical

blindness or glove anesthesia. In the case of PSSD, it would mean

conceptualizing individuals treated with SSRIs who claim PSSD to have the false

belief that the medications caused genital numbing and voila! the treatment is

helping them to see the error of their ways and at the same time making a mint

off of them. As soon as they have insight about their willful genital numbing

and neurotic wish to avoid sex, they will be on the road to recovery. Those who

are not cured in this way are " treatment resistant " cases who will need to take

stronger medications such as Abilify or other neuroleptics. It can't go wrong!

>

> Hi MJ and others,

>

> Millions upon millions of people have been taking these SSRIs for quite a long

> time now. We know that they often work at first, but in the long-run they

make

> things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people getting on these things

> for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are just now coming to

> that realization. This number is going to explode over the next 10-20 years

as

> people hit the end of the good effects and realize that they are hooked. But

> when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are dependent, or (2) They

> have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if there is an

opportunity

> to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs and/or treatment of

> PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a Betty Ford clinic, or

> detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or heroin, or like a weight

> loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point. It could have

resident

> psychiatrists that would assist them in working through these issues and

support

> groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not a psychiatrist, but

I

> have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have tried to keep up on it,

> but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have mentioned elsewhere

here,

> I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have lived in Hong Kong

> since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to help people get

their

> lives back and make some money at the same time.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think it would be better to invest your money in research for a cure of PSSD,

which can be patented and than sold to a pharma company to make profit.

>

> Hi MJ and others,

>

> Millions upon millions of people have been taking these SSRIs for quite a long

> time now. We know that they often work at first, but in the long-run they

make

> things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people getting on these things

> for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are just now coming to

> that realization. This number is going to explode over the next 10-20 years

as

> people hit the end of the good effects and realize that they are hooked. But

> when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are dependent, or (2) They

> have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if there is an

opportunity

> to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs and/or treatment of

> PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a Betty Ford clinic, or

> detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or heroin, or like a weight

> loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point. It could have

resident

> psychiatrists that would assist them in working through these issues and

support

> groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not a psychiatrist, but

I

> have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have tried to keep up on it,

> but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have mentioned elsewhere

here,

> I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have lived in Hong Kong

> since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to help people get

their

> lives back and make some money at the same time.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't seen anything here over the last few months that makes me

think this is a vehicle for big pharma. True, some people mention the

names of things they've tried, but I think this is more to try to help

other people out. No one product or technique has been emphasized

enough to warrant suspicion that we're just a mouthpiece here.

As for modification of posts, I have encountered some of my posts not

making it to my inbox with no explanation, several have been rejected

(except for one, this hasn't happened in a while, so I can't remember

what Vornan's reasons were) and I am very irritated at Vornan's

sometimes picayune reasons for rejecting some of my posts (e.g. he

doesn't like bold or color), and don't really know what to do about such

micromanagement. Apparently we're under his thumb so we have to do it

his way.

One way not to irritate Vornan is to reply by choosing one of the ways

at the bottom of each post rather than by hitting " Reply " in your mail.

Apparently some alchemical thing happened to one of my e-mail replies

that turned everything I said into bold lettering. Vornan jumped on

that in an irritating manner. I didn't mean for it to turn bold. I

don't know what happens to a post if it's sent by Reply from your

e-mailer, but it wasn't my fault, which he tried to make me think.

I would suggest that Vornan learn some manners and also learn to accept

people's font choices. Sometimes you need italics (which for some

reason come through the software as bold) or bold to emphasize

something, and sometimes I've used color to distinguish my remarks from

others' if I weave them into their post, or to emphasize parts of a

quote. I feel like I'm being controlled by someone who has a case of

OCD.

So, Vornan, will you or will you not allow this to post? It doesn't

violate any of your preferences, unless one of your preferences is that

we never complain about Vornan.

Ann

> >

> > Hi MJ and others,

> >

> > Millions upon millions of people have been taking these SSRIs for

quite a long

> > time now. We know that they often work at first, but in the long-run

they make

> > things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people getting on

these things

> > for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are just now

coming to

> > that realization. This number is going to explode over the next

10-20 years as

> > people hit the end of the good effects and realize that they are

hooked. But

> > when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are dependent, or

(2) They

> > have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if there is an

opportunity

> > to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs and/or

treatment of

> > PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a Betty Ford

clinic, or

> > detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or heroin, or like

a weight

> > loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point. It could

have resident

> > psychiatrists that would assist them in working through these issues

and support

> > groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not a

psychiatrist, but I

> > have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have tried to keep

up on it,

> > but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have mentioned

elsewhere here,

> > I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have lived in

Hong Kong

> > since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to help people

get their

> > lives back and make some money at the same time.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ann, you can complain about me as much as you want, but that doesn't mean I have

to tolerate it. Personally I find your manner extremely condescending, and

considering the fact that you don't even have PSSD, I wonder what your agenda

is.

Vornan

> > >

> > > Hi MJ and others,

> > >

> > > Millions upon millions of people have been taking these SSRIs for

> quite a long

> > > time now. We know that they often work at first, but in the long-run

> they make

> > > things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people getting on

> these things

> > > for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are just now

> coming to

> > > that realization. This number is going to explode over the next

> 10-20 years as

> > > people hit the end of the good effects and realize that they are

> hooked. But

> > > when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are dependent, or

> (2) They

> > > have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if there is an

> opportunity

> > > to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs and/or

> treatment of

> > > PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a Betty Ford

> clinic, or

> > > detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or heroin, or like

> a weight

> > > loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point. It could

> have resident

> > > psychiatrists that would assist them in working through these issues

> and support

> > > groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not a

> psychiatrist, but I

> > > have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have tried to keep

> up on it,

> > > but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have mentioned

> elsewhere here,

> > > I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have lived in

> Hong Kong

> > > since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to help people

> get their

> > > lives back and make some money at the same time.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This is something I noticed too vornan. it's not the first time ann has been

patronising and acted like a general bitch here. I was going to reply to your

last post ann that you responded to me last week, but I thought better of

wasting my time explaining myself to someone who has't even got pssd. Your

hypocrisy is astounding and I didnt appreciate your comment that I should get

help with anger as if you know me when here you are going ballistic with vornan

because one of your posts was filtered because of the lettering.

I dont know maybe you think being here and talking down to people makes you some

kind of radical free thinking liberal. Your frustration should be directed to

bob who is accusing people here who are trying to help provide a platform for

people suffering from this condition to come together as big pharma white coats.

His posts are filled with scare mongering and downright pessimism which only

serves to bring others down to a perpetual state of hopelessness. I'm glad

vornan is filtering most of the crap he's spouting because it's a difficult

battle dealing with this, and I hate seeing messages on here of just sheer

illogical rubbish filled with negativity. So now bob has come out his room and

found that neurons can't be cured. Even though it's a fact the brain can and

does heal through neuroplasticity

Anyway can you explain why you are even on these boards ann because I'm getting

really fed up of reading your patronising shit here.

> > > >

> > > > Hi MJ and others,

> > > >

> > > > Millions upon millions of people have been taking these SSRIs for

> > quite a long

> > > > time now. We know that they often work at first, but in the long-run

> > they make

> > > > things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people getting on

> > these things

> > > > for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are just now

> > coming to

> > > > that realization. This number is going to explode over the next

> > 10-20 years as

> > > > people hit the end of the good effects and realize that they are

> > hooked. But

> > > > when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are dependent, or

> > (2) They

> > > > have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if there is an

> > opportunity

> > > > to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs and/or

> > treatment of

> > > > PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a Betty Ford

> > clinic, or

> > > > detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or heroin, or like

> > a weight

> > > > loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point. It could

> > have resident

> > > > psychiatrists that would assist them in working through these issues

> > and support

> > > > groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not a

> > psychiatrist, but I

> > > > have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have tried to keep

> > up on it,

> > > > but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have mentioned

> > elsewhere here,

> > > > I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have lived in

> > Hong Kong

> > > > since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to help people

> > get their

> > > > lives back and make some money at the same time.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My agenda is that PSSD is a horrible thing and, since I'm retired and

have time, I want to try to figure out what causes it and what can be

done about it. Or at least make a contribution.

Do you find my manner extremely condescending all the time?

Ann

> > > >

> > > > Hi MJ and others,

> > > >

> > > > Millions upon millions of people have been taking these SSRIs

for

> > quite a long

> > > > time now. We know that they often work at first, but in the

long-run

> > they make

> > > > things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people getting on

> > these things

> > > > for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are just

now

> > coming to

> > > > that realization. This number is going to explode over the next

> > 10-20 years as

> > > > people hit the end of the good effects and realize that they are

> > hooked. But

> > > > when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are

dependent, or

> > (2) They

> > > > have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if there is

an

> > opportunity

> > > > to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs

and/or

> > treatment of

> > > > PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a Betty

Ford

> > clinic, or

> > > > detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or heroin, or

like

> > a weight

> > > > loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point. It

could

> > have resident

> > > > psychiatrists that would assist them in working through these

issues

> > and support

> > > > groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not a

> > psychiatrist, but I

> > > > have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have tried to

keep

> > up on it,

> > > > but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have mentioned

> > elsewhere here,

> > > > I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have lived

in

> > Hong Kong

> > > > since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to help

people

> > get their

> > > > lives back and make some money at the same time.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It's good that you want to help people, but generally you come across as

condescending and bossy. You may well have good intentions, but your overall

tone creates the opposite impression.

V

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi MJ and others,

> > > > >

> > > > > Millions upon millions of people have been taking these SSRIs

> for

> > > quite a long

> > > > > time now. We know that they often work at first, but in the

> long-run

> > > they make

> > > > > things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people getting on

> > > these things

> > > > > for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are just

> now

> > > coming to

> > > > > that realization. This number is going to explode over the next

> > > 10-20 years as

> > > > > people hit the end of the good effects and realize that they are

> > > hooked. But

> > > > > when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are

> dependent, or

> > > (2) They

> > > > > have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if there is

> an

> > > opportunity

> > > > > to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs

> and/or

> > > treatment of

> > > > > PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a Betty

> Ford

> > > clinic, or

> > > > > detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or heroin, or

> like

> > > a weight

> > > > > loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point. It

> could

> > > have resident

> > > > > psychiatrists that would assist them in working through these

> issues

> > > and support

> > > > > groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not a

> > > psychiatrist, but I

> > > > > have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have tried to

> keep

> > > up on it,

> > > > > but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have mentioned

> > > elsewhere here,

> > > > > I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have lived

> in

> > > Hong Kong

> > > > > since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to help

> people

> > > get their

> > > > > lives back and make some money at the same time.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry. I don't mean to patronize. I don't have the right to, since I'm not an expert on anything except my own experiences, which wouldn't apply to anyone else.

I'd like to know what you found hypocritical.

When I suggested that you get help with anger, I genuinely felt that you express yourself with a lot of unnecessary anger, for example referring to me as a bitch in your post below. I do understand feeling a lot of anger. I do that myself. And sometimes I may make a post that reflects that. In fact, when I feel that someone is too angry for the situation, I may shoot back, in anger. So I guess that's hypocritical. Thanks for pointing that out. I would like to think that I'm not a bitch, though. That implies that I purposely go around insulting people and that's not true. I do attack attackers, though, sometimes.

I really don't want to offend people here. Most of you are suffering more than enough already. I just have a lot of time, the problem (PSSD) interests me, I'm aghast that the medical community is ignoring it. I'd like to offer ideas, if I have any, for making this thing more public, and I have offered some. I've received a couple of posts from people here complimenting me on my posts, so I know not everyone here thinks I'm a total asshole.

I did counter Bob's accusation, although I think I did it without expressing anger.

I'm here because when I thought that Effexor was diluting my sexual abilities and decided to go off it, I searched under SSRI & found this group, which is not called PSSD . It took a couple of weeks for me to get that everyone here was discussing PSSD, which, as I said, I'd never heard of before. I also thought that it was legitimate to discuss any negative aspect of SSRI's, at least those having to do with sex, because of the name of the group. When I found out about PSSD, I was horrified and wanted to know more. And I personally am not out of the woods yet. It's only been 2 months since my last 1/4 pill. From reading posts here, I now know that I could be struck by PSSD at any time. I want to find out as much as I can about it, research the Web, try to get information to help (which may not help, but I can't know that beforehand), not only for myself but for the people here, and hopefully people who have PSSD but haven't found out about this group yet. I hope through our efforts that we can change the medical community even though we're small and they're huge.

If you found the above to be patronizing shit, please let me know.

Ann

> > > > >> > > > > Hi MJ and others,> > > > >> > > > > Millions upon millions of people have been taking these SSRIs for> > > quite a long> > > > > time now. We know that they often work at first, but in the long-run> > > they make> > > > > things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people getting on> > > these things> > > > > for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are just now> > > coming to> > > > > that realization. This number is going to explode over the next> > > 10-20 years as> > > > > people hit the end of the good effects and realize that they are> > > hooked. But> > > > > when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are dependent, or> > > (2) They> > > > > have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if there is an> > > opportunity> > > > > to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs and/or> > > treatment of> > > > > PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a Betty Ford> > > clinic, or> > > > > detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or heroin, or like> > > a weight> > > > > loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point. It could> > > have resident> > > > > psychiatrists that would assist them in working through these issues> > > and support> > > > > groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not a> > > psychiatrist, but I> > > > > have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have tried to keep> > > up on it,> > > > > but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have mentioned> > > elsewhere here,> > > > > I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have lived in> > > Hong Kong> > > > > since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to help people> > > get their> > > > > lives back and make some money at the same time.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry. I'll try to stop that. It would really be helpful if you

could give me some examples of when I sounded " bossy " , but I realize

there are probably too many posts for you to sift through them.

There is one thing, though. If I'm attacked unfairly, I'll at least be

sarcastic back. I see nothing wrong with that. I think there are other

people here who sometimes shoot without thinking about how they sound.

I understand you're all very angry. You have the right to be. But I

think it would be better all around if we all thought about how we sound

before posting.

Ann

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi MJ and others,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Millions upon millions of people have been taking these

SSRIs

> > for

> > > > quite a long

> > > > > > time now. We know that they often work at first, but in the

> > long-run

> > > > they make

> > > > > > things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people

getting on

> > > > these things

> > > > > > for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are

just

> > now

> > > > coming to

> > > > > > that realization. This number is going to explode over the

next

> > > > 10-20 years as

> > > > > > people hit the end of the good effects and realize that they

are

> > > > hooked. But

> > > > > > when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are

> > dependent, or

> > > > (2) They

> > > > > > have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if

there is

> > an

> > > > opportunity

> > > > > > to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs

> > and/or

> > > > treatment of

> > > > > > PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a Betty

> > Ford

> > > > clinic, or

> > > > > > detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or heroin,

or

> > like

> > > > a weight

> > > > > > loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point. It

> > could

> > > > have resident

> > > > > > psychiatrists that would assist them in working through

these

> > issues

> > > > and support

> > > > > > groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not a

> > > > psychiatrist, but I

> > > > > > have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have tried

to

> > keep

> > > > up on it,

> > > > > > but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have

mentioned

> > > > elsewhere here,

> > > > > > I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have

lived

> > in

> > > > Hong Kong

> > > > > > since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to

help

> > people

> > > > get their

> > > > > > lives back and make some money at the same time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Apology accepted. And I'm sorry for calling you a bitch Ann. What i found

hypocritical was you trying to suggest I need help because of angry issues and

pretending you know what will make me happy. Then you go off on a tangant

towards vornan just because you couldnt keep your posts with simple lettering.

And no I didnt find your current post patronising although there was hint of

sarcasm towards the end but you're entitled to how you present your point of

view

I'm glad you are concered about this issue and are here to help and want to make

a difference. However what concerns me is you seem to always counter bobs

offensive comments with the usual belly rubbing and then lash out at the people

who are trying to do good ehre. You attack voronan who if it wasn't for him, you

and me wouldnt be having this discussion.

It's like me going on a forum for people who are paralysed even though there's

nothing wrong with me and telling them they need therapy because they get angry

with another poster telling everyone on that forum that they should give up on

life. And then start attacking the moderators for not allowing me to use caps

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi MJ and others,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Millions upon millions of people have been taking these SSRIs

> for

> > > > quite a long

> > > > > > time now. We know that they often work at first, but in the

> long-run

> > > > they make

> > > > > > things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people getting

> on

> > > > these things

> > > > > > for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are just

> now

> > > > coming to

> > > > > > that realization. This number is going to explode over the

> next

> > > > 10-20 years as

> > > > > > people hit the end of the good effects and realize that they

> are

> > > > hooked. But

> > > > > > when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are

> dependent, or

> > > > (2) They

> > > > > > have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if there

> is an

> > > > opportunity

> > > > > > to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs

> and/or

> > > > treatment of

> > > > > > PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a Betty

> Ford

> > > > clinic, or

> > > > > > detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or heroin,

> or like

> > > > a weight

> > > > > > loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point. It

> could

> > > > have resident

> > > > > > psychiatrists that would assist them in working through these

> issues

> > > > and support

> > > > > > groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not a

> > > > psychiatrist, but I

> > > > > > have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have tried

> to keep

> > > > up on it,

> > > > > > but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have mentioned

> > > > elsewhere here,

> > > > > > I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have

> lived in

> > > > Hong Kong

> > > > > > since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to help

> people

> > > > get their

> > > > > > lives back and make some money at the same time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I also stayed on because I was hoping to get help for my anorgasmic

friend.

Ann

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi MJ and others,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Millions upon millions of people have been taking these

SSRIs

> > for

> > > > > quite a long

> > > > > > > time now. We know that they often work at first, but in

the

> > long-run

> > > > > they make

> > > > > > > things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people

getting

> > on

> > > > > these things

> > > > > > > for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are

just

> > now

> > > > > coming to

> > > > > > > that realization. This number is going to explode over the

> > next

> > > > > 10-20 years as

> > > > > > > people hit the end of the good effects and realize that

they

> > are

> > > > > hooked. But

> > > > > > > when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are

> > dependent, or

> > > > > (2) They

> > > > > > > have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if

there

> > is an

> > > > > opportunity

> > > > > > > to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs

> > and/or

> > > > > treatment of

> > > > > > > PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a

Betty

> > Ford

> > > > > clinic, or

> > > > > > > detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or

heroin,

> > or like

> > > > > a weight

> > > > > > > loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point.

It

> > could

> > > > > have resident

> > > > > > > psychiatrists that would assist them in working through

these

> > issues

> > > > > and support

> > > > > > > groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not

a

> > > > > psychiatrist, but I

> > > > > > > have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have

tried

> > to keep

> > > > > up on it,

> > > > > > > but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have

mentioned

> > > > > elsewhere here,

> > > > > > > I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have

> > lived in

> > > > > Hong Kong

> > > > > > > since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to

help

> > people

> > > > > get their

> > > > > > > lives back and make some money at the same time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

To be honest with you all psychiatrists ought to be trained to help people get

off the meds in a safe manner. Its a shame that they are not. Perhaps you

should contact Stuart Shipko, maybe he would be interested in setting up such a

center and helping raise this possibility to other psychiatrists, I don't know.

>

> Hi MJ and others,

>

> Millions upon millions of people have been taking these SSRIs for quite a long

> time now. We know that they often work at first, but in the long-run they

make

> things worse. As there has been a huge wave of people getting on these things

> for the past 10-20 years, they, like many of us here, are just now coming to

> that realization. This number is going to explode over the next 10-20 years

as

> people hit the end of the good effects and realize that they are hooked. But

> when they try to get off, either (1) The find they are dependent, or (2) They

> have PSSD or other lingering effects. I am wondering if there is an

opportunity

> to set up a clinic for combination of getting off of SSRIs and/or treatment of

> PSSD or other side effects. This could be modeled on a Betty Ford clinic, or

> detox center that helps people to get off of Meth or heroin, or like a weight

> loss clinic - I am just thinking out loud at this point. It could have

resident

> psychiatrists that would assist them in working through these issues and

support

> groups to keep them from going back on the meds. I am not a psychiatrist, but

I

> have been taking these meds for over 13 years and have tried to keep up on it,

> but it is difficult with my busy schedule. As I have mentioned elsewhere

here,

> I am a business professor. I was born in the US, but have lived in Hong Kong

> since 1999. What do you guys think? It might be a way to help people get

their

> lives back and make some money at the same time.

>

>

>