Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 That reminds me, hops are in the same family as marijuana--the family Cannabaceae consists of two genera: Cannabis (of which marijuana is a member) and Humulus (of which hop is a member). Just trivia for y'all. Tom Connie wrote: > According to some book I read quite some time ago, hops are > supposesd to make you sleepy and were first put into beer (which > used to use all kinds of herbs including marijuana) by the European > Christian monks - this would promote sleeping and not horniness or > the munchies I guess. I mean, what would you do with a bunch of > adolescent males in a group? > > In the meanwhile - what is the nutritional and/or aesthetic (sp?) > difference between kefir beer and kombucha tea? Which is better for > the GF gut? Is there a limit (other than how cheap a drunk I am) > for either? > > Thanks!! > Connie H. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Connie H. >According to some book I read quite some time ago, hops are >supposesd to make you sleepy and were first put into beer (which >used to use all kinds of herbs including marijuana) by the European >Christian monks - this would promote sleeping and not horniness or >the munchies I guess. I mean, what would you do with a bunch of >adolescent males in a group? Eh, that was the PUBLIC spin! Hops make beer have more alcohol, no doubt about it! Suppressing the bacteria, you get more yeast! Also it doesn't go sour so fast. As for horny monks ... personally I think at least some of those orders were closet gays, and the " celibacy " thing was a way of making themselves look socially acceptable (this isn't monk-bashing ... some of the so called " nunnaries " were really brothels ...) >In the meanwhile - what is the nutritional and/or aesthetic (sp?) >difference between kefir beer and kombucha tea? Which is better for >the GF gut? Is there a limit (other than how cheap a drunk I am) >for either? I do both ( " two fisted drinker " ?). Kefir beer has more booze, no doubt about it. Kombucha tastes darn good though. So do kombucha for lunch, kefir beer for dinner. Kefir beer is better for the gut, in my experience, but kombucha seems to help the liver, according to research. It is really hard to overdo either though. They are naturally filling, unlike wine or distilled booze. > Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Tom: So has anyone here experimented with hops? Just curious. *************************************************** I have made hop tea, using just hops to try and get a taste for it on its own as well as experience its action. I did find it mildly sedative, but the taste (on its own) was very bitter. I love the bitter taste in beer, but found it a little overpowering on its own, and could only drink small quantities of the tea. I have also found that the dried hops seem to lose their color faster than other dried. Heidi's idea of freezing them fresh is a good one to try, I think. Best, Vivian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 It's not just a " good " idea, it's absolutely required. I once got hold of some hops kept at room temp too long, and I tell you, I have NEVER smelt anything so deadly in my life. I had to keep them in a sealed jar, and I couldn't for the life of me figure out why ANYONE would add them to beer! Years later I figured out they had " gone bad " . They spoil rapidly. Apparently this health food store did not know that. Heidi Jean Were they dried hops, or fresh ones just left at room temp? The dried ones I bought seemed OK at first, but they faded a lot faster than any other of my dried herbs. Usually a loss in color also signifies a loss in other properties. I had just used a small amount for tea, never tried beer since it seemed so involved. But now that that has changed... Vivian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 At 04:59 PM 1/8/05 -0500, you wrote: >human fertility has declined dramatically > >- I know many people that would consider that to be a good thing. Population control is population control. MFJ Once, poets were magicians. Poets were strong, stronger than warriors or kings - stronger than old hapless gods. And they will be strong once again. ~Greg Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Hmm, interesting. I definitely prefer beers that are not too hoppy. I can't stand a bitter beer. Good to know about the phytoestrogen content. I would speculate that some amount of it is eliminated by the fermentation but I wonder how much remains. What does " CW type " mean? Tom Idol wrote: > Tom- > > > Hops also contain a powerful phytoestrogen, 8-prenylnaringenin. The > conventional wisdom seems to be that not enough 8-prenylnaringenin makes > its way into beer to be a problem, but I'm a touch skeptical, since the > conventional wisdom is that phytoestrogens are good things for everyone, so > who knows how much 8-prenylnaringenin it would take for CW types to start > worrying. > > > > > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Tom- >Good to know about the phytoestrogen content. I would speculate that some >amount of it is eliminated by the fermentation but I wonder how much remains. I wouldn't count on that. AFAIK genuine fermented soy sauce, for example, and miso, have phytoestrogens in abundance. >What does " CW type " mean? Conventional wisdom. I was just abbreviating what I'd typed earlier, but I guess that was sloppy on my part. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 - >I know many people that would consider that to be a good thing. >Population control is population control. I can't agree there. Grossly insufficient population control as one side effect of rampant pollution and virtually universal ill health and malnutrition -- ill health and malnutrition of such magnitude that they contribute greatly to crime, conflict, social unrest, and the intractability of the world's major problems -- is no kind of good solution. At least not for us. Maybe if the human race kills itself off the biosphere will recover and some future perspective will regard it as a good thing, but that's not how I want to go. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 At 06:41 PM 1/8/05 -0500, you wrote: > >- > >>I know many people that would consider that to be a good thing. >>Population control is population control. > >I can't agree there. Grossly insufficient population control as one side >effect of rampant pollution and virtually universal ill health and >malnutrition -- ill health and malnutrition of such magnitude that they >contribute greatly to crime, conflict, social unrest, and the >intractability of the world's major problems -- is no kind of good >solution. At least not for us. Maybe if the human race kills itself off >the biosphere will recover and some future perspective will regard it as a >good thing, but that's not how I want to go. Neither do I, but it certainly would be effective for planetary/biosphere health/recovery. Which is their point. Sort of. Overly simplified. On the oversimplification scale, I agree - serves " us " right. MFJ Once, poets were magicians. Poets were strong, stronger than warriors or kings - stronger than old hapless gods. And they will be strong once again. ~Greg Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 >Is there *any* actual sound science in favor of phytoestrogens? Given the >horrible effects of soy, I'd rather just avoid them all. Perhaps it's less >important for women, but soy didn't seem to spare either sex, so I'd be >cautious if I were you. Sometimes the damage doesn't show up for a long >time, and I'd imagine that would be more true for women. > >- I don't know, I haven't studied them. Estrogens ARE all over the place ... and if a person is avoiding hormones, would raw milk be the place to start? I mean, cows are FULL of hormones when they are lactating. But raw milk seems to help people. Hops are drugs ... all drugs have up sides and down sides. Hoppy beer relaxes me and feels good, and that's worth a lot to me! As for cancer ... when I was eating gluten I was at a super-high cancer risk, because gluten intolerant folks often secrete too much prolactin, which is a potent hormone that way. And because the gluten intolerance wipes out the immune system so it can't fight cancer. I've wiped out most of the bad stuff from my diet, and added a lot of good stuff (antioxidants) .. and hops just don't seem to cause anything bad. But beer isn't a huge part of my diet, and hops aren't something I'd eat a LOT of ... drugs are drugs ... Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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