Coconut Water

[Guest guest]

I've never bought coconut water before, but would like to order some.

WFN is out-of-stock with all their coconut water products. What is a

good place to get coconut water, besides them?

I didn't see whether WFN's was pasteurized, but www.cocowater.com

sells pasteurized coconut water.

Is the pasteurized stuff still a good deal? I was going to kefir it.

It's pretty low in protein and apparently the proteins are not

" complex, " whatever that means, so maybe it shouldn't be a problem?

Chris

[Guest guest]

> > http://store./saltoflife/coconutwater.html

> > ~Robin

>

> Thanks Robin. I found this one yesterday, but it doesn't say whether

> or not it is pasteurized. I emailed them to find out but they haven't

> gotten back...

It's pasteurized. It's a processed food. They're all pasteurized

unless you buy the young coconuts.

B.

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On 7/27/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> It's pasteurized. It's a processed food. They're all pasteurized

> unless you buy the young coconuts.

So to get 264 oz. of young coconut water (a large case worth), how

many coconuts would you have to buy and roughly how would the cost

compare?

My concern is that I want to do a fast with the coconut water and some

VCO, but not the coconut meat, which I'll have no use for. I'd rather

have unpasteurized, but I'm wondering whether it will be inefficient

to get it from young coconuts myself.

Chris

[Guest guest]

> My concern is that I want to do a fast with the coconut water and some

> VCO, but not the coconut meat, which I'll have no use for. I'd rather

> have unpasteurized, but I'm wondering whether it will be inefficient

> to get it from young coconuts myself.

I think I get up to a pint from any given young coconut. Of course,

some of them are going to be spoiled or otherwise unusable. I don't

know what you pay per case.

Either way you go, it's inefficient; packaging and shipping are major

considerations. I, for one, prefer not to use the foods of commerce,

but I do get tempted by the convenience sometimes for clients and

their kids. I've never bought them, but MFJ is familiar with both

modes of delivery, heh.

It's nothing to poke a hole in the coconut and tip upside-down over a

Ball jar and let drain, then chuck it out if you don't want the meat.

Or use a straw. And the packageing is certainly more

environmentally friendly.

I can't see that the meat wouldn't fit into your protocol if you'll

be eating vco anyway, but that's neither here nor there.

B.

[Guest guest]

The young coconuts are so expensive for what you get. BTW, I can't remember

-- what's wrong with the milk from older coconuts?

I use my coconut water to make coconut kefir with the milk kefir grains..

~Robin

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--- In , Robin Ann <grainwreck@g...>

wrote:

> The young coconuts are so expensive for what you get. BTW, I can't

remember

Well, it depends on location. We don't know what the going rate is in

Chris' market. Probably high.

My secret concern is that the processed water has been commercially

manipulated--standardized--to a human-determined sugar profile.

There, I've said it.

> -- what's wrong with the milk from older coconuts?

Nothing wrong with it, but it's not sweet. It's the young coconut

water that is famous for it's nutritive and tasty goodness.

There is also the not-insignificant fact that the young cocos have

been treated with potent fungicides and are weeks-old.

'Round-and-'round we go...

B.

[Guest guest]

Hi

> So to get 264 oz. of young coconut water (a large case worth), how

> many coconuts would you have to buy and roughly how would the cost

> compare?

I get anywhere from a half gallon to a gallon of liquid from a case of 9

young coconuts. I've truly had that much variation. Last batch was

disappointing at 1/2 gallon and that was with no bad ones. Cost of the case

was $18.

>

> My concern is that I want to do a fast with the coconut water and some

> VCO, but not the coconut meat, which I'll have no use for. I'd rather

> have unpasteurized, but I'm wondering whether it will be inefficient

> to get it from young coconuts myself.

Very little meat in the coconuts. I drill a couple holes in each one and

drain them through a strainer into a jug. Takes about 20 minutes from start

to end of cleanup.

I ferment mine with whey starter until it's no longer sweet. Yum.

Ron

[Guest guest]

> BTW, I

> can't remember

> -- what's wrong with the milk from older coconuts?

Nothing. There's just not very much of it.

Ron

[Guest guest]

On 7/27/05, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> On 7/27/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

> > It's pasteurized. It's a processed food. They're all pasteurized

> > unless you buy the young coconuts.

>

> So to get 264 oz. of young coconut water (a large case worth), how

> many coconuts would you have to buy and roughly how would the cost

> compare?

>

> My concern is that I want to do a fast with the coconut water and some

> VCO, but not the coconut meat, which I'll have no use for. I'd rather

> have unpasteurized, but I'm wondering whether it will be inefficient

> to get it from young coconuts myself.

>

> Chris

Well it certainly won't be as convenient but unfortunately right now,

while apparently the technology exists, as noted all coconut

water on the market is pasteurized, AFAIK

When I was using coconut water I was able to get a case of young

coconuts for $7.65 or something like that from Central Market, which I

doubt they have in your neck of the woods. I would drink 4 a day along

with the other liquids I was drinking (usually lemon water - 6 oz

lemon to 36 oz water).

So at .85 a coconut you are looking at $3.40 cents a day for 4 or

$5.25 for 5. The big pain in the butt is just opening the things, but

if you are not going to eat the meat you can just poke a hole in the

coconut and drink it with a straw. However, you might consider juicing

the meat if you have a good juicer. You might also consider turning

the meat into milk. It is a better way to get the oil in my opinion.

If you are going to fast in this manner I would definitely suggest

some herbal support while doing so, especially given some of the

issues you have laid out on the list. If that is of interest to you

you can contact me offline.

[Guest guest]

On 7/27/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> My secret concern is that the processed water has been commercially

> manipulated--standardized--to a human-determined sugar profile.

> There, I've said it.

Yup, it most certainly has. And IIRC in that process a lot of the

nutritional goodies are removed.

> > -- what's wrong with the milk from older coconuts?

>

> Nothing wrong with it, but it's not sweet. It's the young coconut

> water that is famous for it's nutritive and tasty goodness.

>

> There is also the not-insignificant fact that the young cocos have

> been treated with potent fungicides and are weeks-old.

> 'Round-and-'round we go...

> B.

Yup, another problem with imported foods, even organic ones. The

question is, given the shell, how significant is this?

[Guest guest]

On 7/27/05, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

> So at .85 a coconut you are looking at $3.40 cents a day for 4 or

> $5.25 for 5. The big pain in the butt is just opening the things, but

> if you are not going to eat the meat you can just poke a hole in the

> coconut and drink it with a straw. However, you might consider juicing

> the meat if you have a good juicer. You might also consider turning

> the meat into milk. It is a better way to get the oil in my opinion.

I meant to add that I found a way to open my young coconuts very

quickly using a pretty sturdy knife. There is also a video on the web

showing how to do it. If you want I can dig it up.

[Guest guest]

This is the reply I got from TGASS:

" Our coconut water is flash pasteurized in order that it may be sold

in the US. This pasteurization process does not effect in anyway the

nutritional benefits of this product. "

Any thoughts?

I think that young coconuts are, from what I have seen, somewhat

unavailable and very expensive in my area. It sounds like a complete

PITA to deal with them too.

Any thoughts on the relative difference in health value between the

two forms? If the flash-pasteurized coconut water is *harmful* I

certainly don't want it, but if it is something like 70% decreased in

value it would be worth it to me to go with the convenience.

Chris

[Guest guest]

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>Now

>they have it labeled " low temp. pasteurized " but I would bet a million

>dollars that " low " is a regulatory standard which most of us would

>consider " high " .

Definitely. Also, regulatorily speaking, the lower the pasteurization

temperature, the longer it has to be maintained. It's probably still

better than high and short, but " flash " strikes me as likely to be very

high and very short.

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[Guest guest]

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>The PD'ers call it coco cream. AV seems to think that coco cream vs.

>coco oil vs. coco milk has differing effects on the body. I don't know

>from personal experience. I would guess it would be similar to the

>milk except you are getting less volume obviously because there is no

>added water, and it is simpler to make. But you do need a good juicer

>and the meat needs to be fairly warm for good results. It is quite

>tasty.

Well, I broke down and ordered an Omega 8003, since juicing ginger has

apparently become a necessary part of my life. Presumably that's good

enough to handle coconut?

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On 7/27/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Well, I broke down and ordered an Omega 8003, since juicing ginger has

> apparently become a necessary part of my life. Presumably that's good

> enough to handle coconut?

I think the PDers are partial to the Green Life (Star?) juicer. I use

a Champion. Since I juice so infrequently I couldn't see investing in

a new one.

I know diddly about the Omega but I can find out some info for you in

terms of how it holds up juicing coconut meat.

[Guest guest]

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>I know diddly about the Omega but I can find out some info for you in

>terms of how it holds up juicing coconut meat.

I'd appreciate it. I still have plenty of time, apparently, to cancel the

order.

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[Guest guest]

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> >I know diddly about the Omega but I can find out some info for you in

> >terms of how it holds up juicing coconut meat.

,

I have a Green Star and running mature coconut meat through it, while

possible, is taxing and would surely shorten its lifespan. Juicing

young coconut meat would be no effort at all. I don't know why one

would bother, though, it's so easy to eat and seems very low in fiber.

Clarification: one could make plenty of coconut cream with mature

coconut meat on a regular basis but I think it would shorten the motor

life from, say, umpteen years to several/many years.

I did juice sugarcane in it once and that was a chore.

B.

[Guest guest]

I have this one. Acutally it is called the samson but it is made by the

same manufacturer (i beleive). It is very comparable to the Champion. It

does all the same things and has basically the same parts . I have had

mine for about 3 years and juice atleast 3 times a week. I love it. I make

nut butters, juice veggies, wheatgrass, sprouts, banana ice cream, etc.

Are you looking to do young coconuts or mature ones? I would think that

mature coconuts would be VERY hard on any non-commerical machine.

HTH

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>I know diddly about the Omega but I can find out some info for you in

>terms of how it holds up juicing coconut meat.

I'd appreciate it. I still have plenty of time, apparently, to cancel the

order.

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>Are you looking to do young coconuts or mature ones? I would think that

>mature coconuts would be VERY hard on any non-commerical machine.

I'm mainly just curious. I can't imagine going to the effort of breaking

open mature coconuts, at least, and maybe young ones too (though I've never

actually gotten one) on a regular basis. My primary intent is to juice

ginger, which is just too ridiculously hard with my craptastic Krups

juicer. Nut butters might be nice too from time to time.

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[Guest guest]

> Well, I broke down and ordered an Omega 8003, since juicing ginger has

> apparently become a necessary part of my life. Presumably that's good

> enough to handle coconut?

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I had an Omega 8003! It has a single gear and was very productive. I'm

certain mature coconut meat on any kind of steady basis would bring on

untimely death. The Green Star is much stauncher but it all depends

how much juicing you'll be doing.

B.

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Ron-

>Juiceman II. Not the nasty Junior version. Lightning fast and really quick

>cleanup. I've been using mine for almost 10 years now although the shredder

>basket is pretty dull at this point. It does a beautiful job on ginger.

I believe the Krups I have is supposed to be a slightly improved version of

that, though at this point I wouldn't swear to it. At any rate, juicing

ginger is an agonizingly slow process, and there's also the possibility

that it's damaging the juice.

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[Guest guest]

I have a Green Power juicer. http://www.discountjuicers.com/greenpower.html

Got it used on eBay for a song.. It's great! I use it for all sorts of

things especially making crackers from vegetable pulp and almonds. I

also make a lot of celery juice when I crave something salty and

fresh. The dual gear mechanism preserves the enzymes and you get a lot

more juice. The centrifugal ones aren't nearly as good in the long

run..

BTW, I use a lot of ginger but never thought to juice it. Maybe I

missed something but what do you use the ginger juice for? ~Robin

[Guest guest]

Could we have the recipe for vegetable crackers using the pulp?

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I have a Green Power juicer. http://www.discountjuicers.com/greenpower.html

Got it used on eBay for a song.. It's great! I use it for all sorts of

things especially making crackers from vegetable pulp and almonds. I

also make a lot of celery juice when I crave something salty and

fresh. The dual gear mechanism preserves the enzymes and you get a lot

more juice. The centrifugal ones aren't nearly as good in the long

run..

[Guest guest]

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>I had an Omega 8003! It has a single gear and was very productive. I'm

>certain mature coconut meat on any kind of steady basis would bring on

>untimely death. The Green Star is much stauncher but it all depends

>how much juicing you'll be doing.

The Green Star looks better, but the Green Star is twice the price, so I

think I'll have to pass on it. I doubt I'm going to become an obsessive

juicer, and obviously I'll just avoid juicing mature coconut meat, so it

sounds like the Omega should be fine, unless ginger itself is hard enough

to cause a problem.

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[Guest guest]

Robin-

>BTW, I use a lot of ginger but never thought to juice it. Maybe I

>missed something but what do you use the ginger juice for?

Digestion. In particular, reflux induced by supplemental pepsin.

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