Re: At Last! A Responce

[Guest guest]

I hope you're right. It would be great if it turnerd out that

schizophrenics and bipolar people act the way they do because they

haven't learned the right coping mechanisms to deal with whatever

happened to them. My father was manic-depressive (as you've probably

read here 5 times), but if you look at his mother, you could hypothesize

that he wasn't mentally ill. How about this: He was 7 & had night

terrors, so his mother took him to the doctor, who said it was because

he wasn't circumcised & proceeded to cut off his foreskin. At 7, you

could easily fear that the doctor was going to cut off your penis, and

at 7 he'd probably been playing with it regularly and valued it, and if

his mother knew about that, she was probably smiling during the

circumcision, which would have made him feel betrayed.

Ann

>

> I probably know more about psychiatry than anyone in this group.

> I've thousands of hours scouring scientific and other databases

looking for the so-called " research " that psychiatrists claim to prove

the existence of mental illness. They state that schizophrenia is caused

by genetics, and even go so far as to name four specific genes, I don't

remember the names offhand. DrOfMind had a video about it on youtube. He

has since disappeared from there, he was probably shut down for

spreading so much BS they didn't want him around anymore. I do not take

things at face value. Just because some so-called " expert " says that the

moon is made of cheese, that doesn't make it so. I've searched the

databases for the schizophrenia genetic proof, and every single one of

them has been thoroughly dis-proven, and raised ethical issues about the

researchers, drug companies, and exposed blatant flaws in the research

methodology.

> I'm not going to agree with someone that has done absolutely nothing

but cave into the propaganda, and never bothered to do their own

research on the subject.

> I have " visited " a mental hospital years ago. And if there was

anything to learn, it's the fact that the establishment is run by

degenerate scumbags who violate human rights, and make-up phony

diagnosis as they go along. They like to hide the diagnosis from you,

and then treat you like a criminal when you practice your legal right to

get a copy of their phony balanced made up 'medical' records.

> Consider this yet another way. If you were diagnosed with a real

disease/injury i.e. cancer, broken bones etc.. would it be normal for

the physician to hide from you the fact that you had a serious injury or

deadly disease? Of course not. That is the reality of the criminal

psychiatric establishment.

> Or consider this another way. If psychiatry is so scientific, were is

the medical test for the diagnosis? Where is the medical test that finds

something broken in your brain? Where is the medical test that says what

drug you need? Where is medical test that says what dose you need? Where

is medical test to show if the drug is working or not?

> And all these pharm-payola cronies just want to tell all of us that

the drugs are completely side effect free, and all of our post

psych-drug physical problems are just our imagination.

> Please don't tell me again that psychiatry is scientific. It is a

religion created by and for the yuppy control freak money robbing scum,

that do not give a damn about your rights, your health or your family.

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting. Similar thing happened to me. But I refused and I still have a

foreskin. Who knows what it did to my emotional development.

Vornan

> >

> > I probably know more about psychiatry than anyone in this group.

> > I've thousands of hours scouring scientific and other databases

> looking for the so-called " research " that psychiatrists claim to prove

> the existence of mental illness. They state that schizophrenia is caused

> by genetics, and even go so far as to name four specific genes, I don't

> remember the names offhand. DrOfMind had a video about it on youtube. He

> has since disappeared from there, he was probably shut down for

> spreading so much BS they didn't want him around anymore. I do not take

> things at face value. Just because some so-called " expert " says that the

> moon is made of cheese, that doesn't make it so. I've searched the

> databases for the schizophrenia genetic proof, and every single one of

> them has been thoroughly dis-proven, and raised ethical issues about the

> researchers, drug companies, and exposed blatant flaws in the research

> methodology.

> > I'm not going to agree with someone that has done absolutely nothing

> but cave into the propaganda, and never bothered to do their own

> research on the subject.

> > I have " visited " a mental hospital years ago. And if there was

> anything to learn, it's the fact that the establishment is run by

> degenerate scumbags who violate human rights, and make-up phony

> diagnosis as they go along. They like to hide the diagnosis from you,

> and then treat you like a criminal when you practice your legal right to

> get a copy of their phony balanced made up 'medical' records.

> > Consider this yet another way. If you were diagnosed with a real

> disease/injury i.e. cancer, broken bones etc.. would it be normal for

> the physician to hide from you the fact that you had a serious injury or

> deadly disease? Of course not. That is the reality of the criminal

> psychiatric establishment.

> > Or consider this another way. If psychiatry is so scientific, were is

> the medical test for the diagnosis? Where is the medical test that finds

> something broken in your brain? Where is the medical test that says what

> drug you need? Where is medical test that says what dose you need? Where

> is medical test to show if the drug is working or not?

> > And all these pharm-payola cronies just want to tell all of us that

> the drugs are completely side effect free, and all of our post

> psych-drug physical problems are just our imagination.

> > Please don't tell me again that psychiatry is scientific. It is a

> religion created by and for the yuppy control freak money robbing scum,

> that do not give a damn about your rights, your health or your family.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann,

Rufus May is an English psychologist who helps to scizophrenics to regain their emotional health. He had a psychotic break himself once but he kept away from doctors, took no meds, and recovered. You might find this newpaper article interesting:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-mad-doctor-the-extraordinary-story-of-dr-rufus-may-the-former-psychiatric-patient-440381.html

You can also watch a documentary on his work in the next link. You will see that his work is time consuming and that he is very earnest and really wants to help people. Many people on this site might find this film interesting too. I loved it, and if only I had found someone to give me such compassion when I had a bad depression things might have been so different today. All I ever wanted was therapy but was never given any, all I was offered was drugs. Alas, in the end I succumbed and now things are worse than ever.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?gl=GB & hl=en-GB & p=5B6D685236A79C41

Kaivey

> >> > I probably know more about psychiatry than anyone in this group.> > I've thousands of hours scouring scientific and other databases> looking for the so-called "research" that psychiatrists claim to prove> the existence of mental illness. They state that schizophrenia is caused> by genetics, and even go so far as to name four specific genes, I don't> remember the names offhand. DrOfMind had a video about it on youtube. He> has since disappeared from there, he was probably shut down for> spreading so much BS they didn't want him around anymore. I do not take> things at face value. Just because some so-called "expert" says that the> moon is made of cheese, that doesn't make it so. I've searched the> databases for the schizophrenia genetic proof, and every single one of> them has been thoroughly dis-proven, and raised ethical issues about the> researchers, drug companies, and exposed blatant flaws in the research> methodology.> > I'm not going to agree with someone that has done absolutely nothing> but cave into the propaganda, and never bothered to do their own> research on the subject.> > I have "visited" a mental hospital years ago. And if there was> anything to learn, it's the fact that the establishment is run by> degenerate scumbags who violate human rights, and make-up phony> diagnosis as they go along. They like to hide the diagnosis from you,> and then treat you like a criminal when you practice your legal right to> get a copy of their phony balanced made up 'medical' records.> > Consider this yet another way. If you were diagnosed with a real> disease/injury i.e. cancer, broken bones etc.. would it be normal for> the physician to hide from you the fact that you had a serious injury or> deadly disease? Of course not. That is the reality of the criminal> psychiatric establishment.> > Or consider this another way. If psychiatry is so scientific, were is> the medical test for the diagnosis? Where is the medical test that finds> something broken in your brain? Where is the medical test that says what> drug you need? Where is medical test that says what dose you need? Where> is medical test to show if the drug is working or not?> > And all these pharm-payola cronies just want to tell all of us that> the drugs are completely side effect free, and all of our post> psych-drug physical problems are just our imagination.> > Please don't tell me again that psychiatry is scientific. It is a> religion created by and for the yuppy control freak money robbing scum,> that do not give a damn about your rights, your health or your family.> >>

[Guest guest]

I was diagnosed with Scitzophenria although I have suffered with ocd all my life and anxiety and depression, I believe all my problems were bought on by bottling up hurt feelings and emotions.

I too cannot understand how they came up with this diagnosis by asking me about five questions to which I replied I am fine too them all. I believe these docters say anything just to make up numbers in there hospital or something, if the ward had been full they proberly would have sent me home with no diagnosis. No I was not given SSRI but anti pychotic medication which gave me all of the same symtoms as the people on here. I have had some recovery of feelings though and I started to get this after I took up areobics, just recently I have not been doing the areobics and my feelings have started to decline again, I do intend to take it up again and see if it helps.

Thanks for the link.

Im sorry to hear about your mother Iv had very similar problems with how my parents have treated me during my childhood and they are still causing me a major amount of stress in my life at present as I live at home and cannot afford to buy a place of my own.

Thank you so much for the email address.

Mel

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To: SSRIsex Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 3:40:27 AMSubject: Re: At Last! A Responce

I believe that a lot of people are wrongly diagnosed as being mentally ill when all that's wrong is things like what you said -- bottling up feelings, loneliness (I know this one very well -- and prisons use it as punishment, driving some people "crazy"), rejection or betrayal by someone important, abuse, domestic problems, etc. I do believe there's something biologically wrong with real schizophrenics and people who are actually manic-depressive. But I think a lot of people are diagnosed as schizophrenic or M-D who aren't. My father was definitely M-D, but my friend & former lover whom I've mentioned here several times, was diagnosed as M-D and he's not. He just had a lot of bad things happen all at once. I was seeing a shrink once who decided that I was M-D based on the fact that my father had been, and -- ready? -- my hairdo, which was, she said, wild. So my hairdo meant

that I was mentally ill. I think I laughed in her face. I hope so.

Some people are more sensitive to their environment than others (see any two babies, kittens, puppies, etc.). There are differences between us in how well we handle stress. A stressful childhood could result in one sibling developing a coping mechanism, and one unable to. But the latter isn't mentally ill.

I can tell that you were mistreated, both before you went to the hospital and while you were there, and now you have to add that to what you were already trying to deal with.

I hope you're feeling better now. I assume putting you on an SSRI was part of your "treatment", so now you have the consequences from that added to the above. A person can only take so much. But that doesn't mean they're mentally ill.

I majored in psychlogy (a LONG time ago -- what I learned then is probably all useless today). People caught in a mess of other people's makings grab my heart & I want to do something.

I discovered a gizmo the other day that I think might help everyone in a stressful culture like ours. I want to make it clear that (a) I have nothing whatsoever to do with this company, don't even know anyone who works there, and ( I haven't tried this myself. But I ordered their gizmo (yesterday) because if it does work correctly, it should teach me the proper way to breathe (I catch myself not breathing a lot), lower my tension, and maybe get me off my BP meds, which are fucking with my kidneys. I think it's pretty well known that breathing techniques can be very helpful in making one's life better. The gizmo is at http://www.resperate.com/us/shop/product.aspx?product=95. That's a refurb, and costs $200. There's a 30-day guarantee, which I don't think is long enough because very

stressed people don't like to take time out to relax & it might take a whole month for a person to just get to that point, so there'd really be no chance to test the thing & see if it really lowers your BP (in my case) or gives you a more positive outlook on life (I could also use this). I'm going to write the company about this short guarantee.

Anyways, it sounds like you need some non-medical help, and some emotional support. I know what it's like to need support & not have any. If you'd like to write me offline, I at least have a comfortable shoulder. I can't remember whether e-mail addresses automatically show up in posts, so here's mine: ruby2zdy@....

Ann

PS: Like you(?), I used to have a voice in my head (my mother hatefully spitting out my name as if she were on the verge of hitting me because I'd done something sinful -- if Ithink about how that voice made me feel -- and that was in the '60s -- it still makes me want to cry). I knew it wasn't real, but if I'd had more of a tendency to panic, I could have thought it was real, and then there I'd be -- "schizophrenic" and heavily medicated.

> >> > There is no such thing as mental illness. And to beleive in the myth is to > >support the brutal inhumane actions of the criminals that assaulted us with > >thier lies, coersion, and piosons.>

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I'll look him up. It never occurred to me before this discussion that "psychotic" people might be curable. I only accepted 2 diagnoses (schizoph. and M-D) as "psychotic" & thought they were due to wiring, but if there's hope for people with these diagnoses, that will make me very happy.

I met a young man (early 30's) once who had been diagnosed as schizophrenic. He seemed normal to me. Since he didn't seem to mind telling me he was schizophrenic, I asked if he'd mind telling me about one of his episodes. He believed (only during this episode) that aliens were taking over people's minds. His father & he had previously agreed that if his father thought he should go to a mental hospital till the episode went away, he would. The admitting dr. wanted him to sign a paper saying he was there voluntarily, but he knew that if he signed on the line, he'd be committing his mind to the aliens, so he signed in the margin, thus foiling the aliens and probably amusing the doctor. I realized that given his assumptions, his behavior was perfectly reasonable, and even quite clever. I told him this & he was so pleased. It made him feel less crazy.

The more I read here about people's SSRI side effects, the more angry I become that doctors Rx them as if they're handing out candy (but try getting oxycodone to take as needed for pain when you can't take NSAIDS because you're in stage 3 kidney failure). My son is now tapering off Prozac (or something) because of the sexual side effects. He's only 39 (how did he get to be 39? I'm quite sure I'm only 45), no kids, and he & his wife should be spending a lot of time in bed. I just hope he doesn't have PSSD. As for myself, after a week and a half off Effexor, I can't tell whether I have PSSD or not. I've had some really bizarre orgasms. But that was while masturbating. Maybe if I had a lover it would be more normal. Unfortunately, my only potential lover right now is on Prozac & can't have orgasms. (He's 750 miles away, or I'd work with him, try nitric oxide (from L-arginine) on his penis. See if that would help.) My understanding is that orgasm is caused by a sudden release of norepinephrine, so just increasing the circulation in his penis might not help. But it's worth a try. Pretty much anything is worth a try.

Ann>> > Hi Ann,> > Rufus May is an English psychologist who helps to scizophrenics to> regain their emotional health. He had a psychotic break himself once but> he kept away from doctors, took no meds, and recovered. You might find> this newpaper article interesting:> > http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/\> the-mad-doctor-the-extraordinary-story-of-dr-rufus-may-the-former-psychi\> atric-patient-440381.html> <http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news\> /the-mad-doctor-the-extraordinary-story-of-dr-rufus-may-the-former-psych\> iatric-patient-440381.html>> > You can also watch a documentary on his work in the next link. You will> see that his work is time consuming and that he is very earnest and> really wants to help people. Many people on this site might find this> film interesting too. I loved it, and if only I had found someone to> give me such compassion when I had a bad depression things might have> been so different today. All I ever wanted was therapy but was never> given any, all I was offered was drugs. Alas, in the end I succumbed and> now things are worse than ever.> > http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?gl=GB & hl=en-GB & p=5B6D685236A79C41> <http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?gl=GB & hl=en-GB & p=5B6D685236A79C41\> >> > Kaivey>