Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 The pro's behind soy fed chicken...the chickens grow much faster and bigger...the reason being, soy is a growth hormone. Consequently, companies can advertise no growth hormones added by feeding their chickens high quantities of soy. Several years ago Tyson announced they had successfully reduced the number of days required for a chicken to reach maturity by increasing the soy in their feed. Their chickens reach maturity in 38 days. My no soy chickens reach maturity in 110 days. Granted those are BIG birds and my chickens are totally free range and burn off a ton of calories moving from point A to point B in search of bugs, worms, etc. Anyone that thinks chickens are vegetarians hasn't hung around a chicken coop for very long. The tastiest morsel a chicken can hope to snag is a worm. Next best is a bug swirming through the soil. Given a pile of worms versus a pile of lettuce, the chickens will devour the worms first then wash them down with a leaf or two of lettuce. In fact, one of the most entertaining sights is to watch a group of chickens fight over one worm. It's like the NFL of the game keepaway! So why do farmers feed their chickens soy...first off, most of you are operating on a budget and if chicken was two or three times the price it is now you would all be complaining. How many of you are willing to take the risk and support a farmer that takes on the challenge of raising chickens without soy. The first few batches are a bit dicey...you are up nights monitoring the chickens for any deficiencies, trying to get the feed mix right. You have to supplement with alternative protein sources that aren't subsidized by the US government. The growth hormones in soy do transfer through to the egg yolks and into the meat of the bird, however, the next time you find yourself complaining about soy fed chicken take a real careful look at just how much you are willing to pay for chicken and will you stand by your farmer if a batch fails or would you just switch to another source? For now the best thing you have is a local farmer that is feeding the standard pasture poultry mix. Support him and encourage him to do the best he can given the parameters he has to work within. Then bless your food before you eat it! If you want soy free chickens, then take a very careful look at what you are willing to pay and what you are willing to give up in order to have that bird on your kitchen table! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 I know in my neck of the woods a few farmers are going the extra mile to provide soy-free chickens and eggs. Soy is common in poultry feed and many find organic feed cost-prohibitive, so you're talking GMO soy. I don't know if it affect *you* in the end but i wouldn't be surprised. I have a friend who is extremely sensitive to grains and gets sick if she eats grain-fed beef, but not grass-fed. If you happen to live in Oregon I can point you in the right direction. Elaine > > Can any one inform me if the soy-fed chicken is O.K.? Being a vegan for a long > time, I found " Nurishing Traditions " very thought-provoking. Due to fatigue > and mood swing, I thought I will try the chicken broth. Standing in the meat > department is a real challenge! I found some " natural " trukey and chicken. > They are free-ranged and soy-fed. I am not sure about the soy-fed part. Any > information? Thank you very much! > > Best wishes, > Beatrice > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 > Can any one inform me if the soy-fed chicken is O.K.? Being a vegan for a long time, I found " Nourishing Traditions " very thought-provoking. Due to fatigue and mood swing, I thought I will try the chicken broth. Standing in the meat department is a real challenge! I found some " natural " turkey and chicken. They are free-ranged and soy-fed. I am not sure about the soy-fed part. Any information? Thank you very much! > > Best wishes, > Beatrice Beatrice- If you can find a Whole Foods Market or a " natural " market near where you live you may find chicken called " Rocky Jr. " and " Rosie. " Both these brands are free range and " hormone free. " Most people go for the more expensive " organic " Rosie chicken but after some research I found that (supposedly) the Rosies are fed organic soy feed but the less expensive Rockies are fed corn. Well, the corn is probably GMO and not organic but I figure at least I'm not assaulting my body with hormones. Just my 2 cents... good luck. Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Isn't 80% of the soy on the market GMO and the reason why New Zealand won't allow it in their country for people? If there's only 20% non GMO available, what's the chance it goes into livestock feed ? Putting soy fed and hormone free together is a ridiculous interpretation. Allowed just because hormones aren't added separately to feed or injected. Doesn't matter they're naturally in an ingredient Good point, corn is hormone free. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 At 7:03 PM +0000 5/2/05, wrote: >Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 22:56:08 -0700 > From: " Burkhard Meier " <bbmeier@...> >Subject: soy-fed chicken ? > >Can any one inform me if the soy-fed chicken is O.K.? Being a vegan >for a long time, I found " Nurishing Traditions " very >thought-provoking. Due to fatigue and mood swing, I thought I will >try the chicken broth. Standing in the meat department is a real >challenge! I found some " natural " trukey and chicken. They are >free-ranged and soy-fed. I am not sure about the soy-fed part. Any >information? Thank you very much! I don't worry about it. On a soy diet, the lipid profile won't be optimal. But it will certainly be healthier for you than your vegan diet. I suspect that any meat-type Cornish-cross type bird is going to need some supplemental protein; that's what they were bred for. This means in practice either soy or tankage (animal byproducts including poultry), either of which might be problematic. Short of finding scrawny chickens, this is about the best that you'll do. At least they got range, and are probably cleaner than factory birds. -- Quick, USUM (ret.) www.en.com/users/jaquick " Every people deserves the regime it is willing to endure. " --the White Rose, leaflet #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 > > From: " Lenz Kim, Charlie and Riley " <lenz3@...> >Subject: Re: soy-fed chicken ? > >Beatrice- >If you can find a Whole Foods Market or a " natural " market near where you >live you may find chicken called " Rocky Jr. " and " Rosie. " Both these brands >are free range and " hormone free. " Most people go for the more expensive > " organic " Rosie chicken but after some research I found that (supposedly) >the Rosies are fed organic soy feed but the less expensive Rockies are fed >corn. Well, the corn is probably GMO and not organic but I figure at least I'm not assaulting my body with hormones. Do any of the phytoestrogens from the soy accumulate in the chicken's body? This doesn't seem likely to me, but I really don't know. -- Quick, USUM (ret.) www.en.com/users/jaquick " Every people deserves the regime it is willing to endure. " --the White Rose, leaflet #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 If soy fed chicken is to be avoided, it is most likely because the soy is gmo. I read an article a couple years back where Enig seemed to be saying that chickens are one animal that can be fed soy and its still okay for humans. " This is what is meant by " sacrifice " , literally, the " making sacred " of an animal consumed for dinner. Yet sacrifice, because it dwells on the death, is a concept often shocking to the secular modern Western mind - to people who calmly organize daily hecatombs of beasts, and who are among the most death-dealing carnivores the world has ever seen. " Margaret Visser: The Rituals of Dinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 >> I read an article a couple years back where Enig seemed to be saying that chickens are one animal that can be fed soy and its still okay for humans. << Maybe so, but I have to say.... when I get the organic Rosie chickens, which are fed high amounts of soy, they don't taste anywhere near as good to me as the non-organic " Rocky Range " chickens. I'm not a huge fan of either but they're local so the easiest for me to find around here. Christie Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986 http://www.caberfeidh.com http://doggedblog.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 On Tue, 3 May 2005 15:57:27 -0700 " Christie " <christiekeith@...> wrote: > >> I read an article a couple years back where Enig seemed to > be saying that chickens are one animal that can be fed soy and its still > okay for humans. << > > Maybe so, but I have to say.... when I get the organic Rosie chickens, which > are fed high amounts of soy, they don't taste anywhere near as good to me as > the non-organic " Rocky Range " chickens. > Yup, I agree with you, the Rocky Rangers taste better than the Rosies, and cheaper too, at least in my neck of the woods. Fortunately we have some locally pastured chicken that is available seasonally but it is quite expensive. The best tasting chicken I have ever had is the kosher chicken that is sold here. " This is what is meant by " sacrifice " , literally, the " making sacred " of an animal consumed for dinner. Yet sacrifice, because it dwells on the death, is a concept often shocking to the secular modern Western mind - to people who calmly organize daily hecatombs of beasts, and who are among the most death-dealing carnivores the world has ever seen. " Margaret Visser: The Rituals of Dinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 >The best tasting chicken I have ever had is the kosher chicken that is >sold here. > > > The best chickens are those you raise yourself, knowing full well how they are treated, how many bugs they get to eat (talk about a good source of protein) and what their names are when they come to table. I wouldn't know about slaughter mind you, but I do know my little Silkie Bantam hen, Hazel, has eggs far superior and fresher than anything I have paid for, even if they are smaller. No soy meal for her! She prefers watermelon and crickets. Deanna, who will post the free rangers (chicks on their first outing today!) later on here: http://www.salvonix.com/HomeProject/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 So, I've already said Kerrygold (made in Ireland) is my favorite butter, and I can't believe how good the chicken is in Ireland. What's in the grass there that makes stuff taste so good? Christie Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986 http://www.caberfeidh.com http://doggedblog.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 , <The best tasting chicken I have ever had is the kosher chicken that is sold here.> Trader Joe's has two brands of organic, free range chicken, their own brand and a kosher brand called 's. 's is more expensive, but definitely the better tasting chicken. It even looks better in the package, the breasts being a deep pink instead of the more grayish pink you usually see. http://www.taichi4seniors.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 On Tue, 3 May 2005 17:05:56 -0700 " West " <clairewest@...> wrote: > , > > <The best tasting chicken I have ever had is the kosher chicken that is sold > here.> > > Trader Joe's has two brands of organic, free range chicken, their own brand > and a kosher brand called 's. 's is more expensive, but > definitely the better tasting chicken. It even looks better in the package, > the breasts being a deep pink instead of the more grayish pink you usually > see. Yup, thats the brand I was talking about. I have also had non-organic kosher chicken which was delicious. " This is what is meant by " sacrifice " , literally, the " making sacred " of an animal consumed for dinner. Yet sacrifice, because it dwells on the death, is a concept often shocking to the secular modern Western mind - to people who calmly organize daily hecatombs of beasts, and who are among the most death-dealing carnivores the world has ever seen. " Margaret Visser: The Rituals of Dinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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