Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Tom- >I don't know if there is any live culture remaining in them or not... I'm pretty sure there's not. The Grain & Salt Society sells Ohsawa brand Nama Shoyu soy sauce, which is unpasteurized and aged for 4 years, but unfortunately it's not tamari -- it has wheat. I think I saw it in Whole Foods too, but I was in a rush so I didn't look more closely. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 At 11:54 AM 1/21/05 -0500, you wrote: >>I don't know if there is any live culture remaining in them or not... > >I'm pretty sure there's not. The Grain & Salt Society sells Ohsawa brand >Nama Shoyu soy sauce, which is unpasteurized and aged for 4 years, but >unfortunately it's not tamari -- it has wheat. I think I saw it in Whole >Foods too, but I was in a rush so I didn't look more closely. > WAPF recommends San-J. What do you know about that one? MFJ Once, poets were magicians. Poets were strong, stronger than warriors or kings - stronger than old hapless gods. And they will be strong once again. ~Greg Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 - >WAPF recommends San-J. What do you know about that one? I'm a little puzzled by their recommendation. Here's San-J's blurb: >San-J Premium Tamari Soy Sauce is different than ordinary soy sauce >because it is made with more soybeans giving it a richer, smoother, more >complex taste. Ordinary soy sauce contains 40-60% wheat. Tamari is a >versatile seasoning that can be used for much more than stir-fry dishes. >Tamari is an excellent flavor enhancer, marinade or table condiment. Add >some to your favorite recipe today and Taste the San-J Tamari Difference! > >San-J Tamari is naturally brewed for up to six months. During Tamari's >fermentation process, complex amino acid chains are formed giving Tamari >hundreds of distinct flavor components. Tamari has 37% more soy protein >than soy sauce which also adds to its complex flavor profile. I'd rather use Eden's organic tamari myself. I believe it's fermented for 2 years, and it's organic, for whatever that's worth. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 >I'd rather use Eden's organic tamari myself. I believe it's fermented for >2 years, and it's organic, for whatever that's worth. Well, at a minimum, that means that there are NO GMOs, which may turn out to be very important down the road. Virtually all of the soy on earth is GMO at this point, so, a source for non-GMO soy (if you've gotta have your soy!) is very important. Also, in my experience, EDEN is one of the very most reputable whole food companies. They were the only major whole food company that stood up agains the USDAs desire to add GMOs, HUMAN SHIT, and irradiation to the allowed list of the USDA organics program. All the others? Gave responses like " OK, just so we know what the law says! " Eden Foods was developed BY food-for-health people and they've kept their integrity. Bad-Drives_out-Good seems to be the American way. I know that Eden is on the ropes because their good cost more to produce than most (this does not apply to artisan foods, of course) and they are really losing their market share due to the failure of most consumers to actually look into what they are buying. -Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Allan- >Well, at a minimum, that means that there are NO GMOs, which may turn >out to be very important down the road. Virtually all of the soy on >earth is GMO at this point, so, a source for non-GMO soy (if you've >gotta have your soy!) is very important. Good point, though since GMO contamination seems to be very common, it's possible that there's a little GMO soy in even Eden's organic tamari. >Also, in my experience, EDEN is one of the very most reputable whole >food companies. They were the only major whole food company that >stood up agains the USDAs desire to add GMOs, HUMAN SHIT, and >irradiation to the allowed list of the USDA organics program. All the >others? Gave responses like " OK, just so we know what the law says! " >Eden Foods was developed BY food-for-health people and they've kept >their integrity. Is Eden independently owned? I've always liked their products, but I'm not up on their current status, and a lot of previously-independent organic companies have been snapped up by Big Agro. >I know that Eden is >on the ropes because their good cost more to produce than most (this >does not apply to artisan foods, of course) and they are really >losing their market share due to the failure of most consumers to >actually look into what they are buying. Really? How sad. I guess it figures -- now that big business has bought into the organic sector, they're going nuts cutting costs, realizing economies of scale and taking advantage of their marketing power. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Good thoughts, . See comments below. >Is Eden independently owned? I've always liked their products, but I'm not >up on their current status, and a lot of previously-independent organic >companies have been snapped up by Big Agro. Eden is independently owned. As you probably know, they grew out of the original macrobiotic movement and became more independent with the broadening market for high integrity organic whole foods that thrived for a while in the 80's and was soon filled with 'replica' foods. Eden was/is creates products for authentic needs; their competitors chiefly came into existence solely for the need to fill one need: money for their investors. Get ahold of Eden's main product catalog. For fermenters and others, they import or contract grow an incredible number of hard-to-find ingredients. Also, they have generously donated food to every one of our biodynamic food and farming conferences. Again, places like Whole Foods have no interest in working with the grassroots groups. (I know this from personal experience.) Also, most of Edens flours (pasta/udon/etc) are grown by Fred K. in the Dakotas and are certified biodynamic. This is not on the label as there is the potential for supply issues, so they provide the quality THEY demand but market as a lower value product. (So the pkging doesn't have to be changed if they use all of Fred's BD grains during the season.) Good folks, sorely neglected nowadays. -Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Allan- >Get ahold of Eden's main product catalog. For fermenters and others, >they import or contract grow an incredible number of hard-to-find >ingredients. Does the catalog have stuff not listed on their website? >Again, places like Whole >Foods have no interest in working with the grassroots groups. (I know >this from personal experience.) Well, Whole Foods is big business, so I'm not surprised. At least it has a decent selection of products, including a fair amount of Eden stuff. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 >Does the catalog have stuff not listed on their website? Probably not. I can't think of a 'test' product right off, but, I think you are right. Web is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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