Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I'm not too optimistic about filabanserin. It works like an antidepressant and takes weeks to be effective and this is where the danger lies. The brain is constantly fighting anything that tries to change its chemistry and if this keeps up for weeks, or months, eventually permanent, or semi-permnaent, changes to the brain can take place . The brain is very neuroplastic and so what goes up must come down as any addict will tell you. Filabanserin raises dopamine and it is my fear is that any increase in sex drive that this causes will be short lived. Now if it was like Viagara, in that it worked stright away, then that would be safer because you could do it a couple of times week and then let the brain have a rest. Below is a link warning about the dangers of filabanserin, I have also taken out an extract from it. Yet in the long run, too much dopamine can cause dopamine dysregulation and distressing mood swings—both highs and lows. That's right. Excess dopamine can lead to chronic low dopamine. The brain's reward circuitry is finely tuned and quite plastic. Addiction research reveals that if we flood it with dopamine (as cocaine users do), it begins to recalibrate itself to cope with excess. Just as you might close windows when a thunderstorm rolls in, your reward circuitry down-regulates the receptors for dopamine on key nerve cells after over-stimulation. Especially with repeated episodes, the reward circuitry assumes that another "storm" is on the way, so it may not return to its usual configuration right away. It becomes desensitized. (Parkinson's drugs also tend to lose their effectiveness over time.) The result of down-regulation? Normal levels of dopamine won't trigger those subtle feelings of optimism and anticipation that make arising in the morning an attractive proposition. Such sluggishness is a hangover, but it's also withdrawal. It's normal to feel rotten while our brain recalibrates so it can, once again, respond normally to dopamine. Meanwhile, we can become so desperate to "feel right," that we may reach for any of the many stimulating activities and substances that goose dopamine: drugs, alcohol, impulsive spending, junk food, Internet porn, gambling, engaging in "forbidden" sex, and so forth. Alas, more stimulation can cause further down-regulation—and an even stronger urge for relief. In short, dopamine lows, just like dopamine highs, can drive compulsive behaviors. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/200911/supersize-orgasms Kavy > >> > I had an initial phone consultation with Dr.Goldstein couple of weeks ago and discussed my case with him (PSSD after using Sertraline for 3 months). Also, mentioned to him about our yahoo group through which I came to know about him. > > He said about 30/40 people came to him for treatment and he claimed to have successfully treated some of them. He said he could basically categorize these people into 3 groups: those who did not respond to treatment; those who continue taking the medication and see relief of PSSD symptoms and those, who after using the medication for sometime, were able to keep the gains from the treatment and hence no longer need the meds. > > I know that there have atleast been 3/4 people in the last 3 months or so that started his treatment and started getting better. Have there been cases that successfully recovered from his treatment and no longer need the meds? Just the other day, someone wrote about how he was able to get better from pssd by going back on Prozac plus Buspar. Its been 1yr for me since the onset of PSSD and I'm getting desperate.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I think our brains had changed already. What do you think we should do? Wait and drink tee? Then I'd rather kill myself.. > > > I'm not too optimistic about filabanserin. It works like an > antidepressant and takes weeks to be effective and this is where the > danger lies. The brain is constantly fighting anything that tries to > change its chemistry and if this keeps up for weeks, or months, > eventually permanent, or semi-permnaent, changes to the brain can take > place . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Don't give up. Some of us have been dealing with this for years now (four years myself), and we just don't know what will happen in each of our cases. I've been on the 'Goldstein Protocol' for several months now, and I can honestly say, things are getting better. Slowly. Whether it's the passage of time or the drugs or the placebo effect or the circumstances in my life or or or - who can say? But things are getting better. My libido is back to a fairly healthy level, I am back to having nocturnal erections and erotic dreams, I can get and maintain erections, my sensation is improving, my orgasmic experience is improving, I'm beginning to have physiological responses to visual stimuli...But all of this is rather unpredictable. There are times when I have relatively little sensation or physiological response. All I can say is that healing does not appear to be a linear path...So try to hold on and be patient. I KNOW how frustrating and hopeless it can seem. Believe me, I have wanted to end it all many, many, many times. I'm a gay man - relatively young - 32 years old. I spent all of my high school years avoiding sexuality while my peers were experimenting and dating etc...throughout my twenties, I struggled to reconcile my religious upbringing with my emerging and at the time shameful desires for other men. I was in 'reparative' therapy to become straight punishing myself at every turn for what came as naturally to me as breath. I was a very conflicted, depressed young man. Most of my youth, when I was at my most attractive and energetic, I was walking in circles trying to be something I was not - trying to fix myself. Sabotaging potential relationships and running from any opportunity for sexual fulfillment. When I finally got it all sorted out and accepted myself for who I am, I went off my medications - only to have the sexuality I fought so hard for obliterated and made obsolete by a limp, numb, unresponsive dick, muted orgasm, and blunted libido. It's the height of existential cruelty - and has been very hard to extinguish my anger and resentment and rise above it. That the medications intended to rescue me from depression should make concrete a set of depressing circumstances is ironic to say the least! (Even now, I can imagine a contingent of individuals celebrating my PSSD as God's intervention in my homosexual perversion...and that's just sad.) The thought of suicide is an old, old...friend - well, maybe not a friend so much as a companion or familiar next-door neighbor who comes knocking to borrow sugar more often than is welcome. I've learned to keep a bag of sugar at the door and not chat long. As tempting as it has been to free myself of all this pain and frustration, I must believe that things will work out. I cling to the idea that when they do, that when it all comes together - I will have achieved a great personal victory against incredible odds. So - I would say that in the midst of your discouragement - pull it together. Remember that there are others who have gone before and who will come after - and many, many of us alongside you. And your charge is to live on and conjure hope in whatever way you can. I believe that hope itself - deliberate, disciplined optimism - is a critical factor in healing. Thinking defeat, feeling failure, nurturing anger and resentment, embracing hopelessness and despair - while completely justified, are all counter-productive. At root, each of these emotions is a neurochemical event and contributes to a personal neuropsychological culture which if persistently indulged is a prescription to solidify your current state - perhaps worsen it - rather than emerge from it in health and wholeness. Actively hoping, recognizing you are not alone, and having faith in your body's ability to heal itself in time are as important as fish oil, B-vitamins, testosterone, dostinex, filabanserin, or whatever the next trend in PSSD treatment might be. That's all I got. Hang in there. sam > > > > > > I'm not too optimistic about filabanserin. It works like an > > antidepressant and takes weeks to be effective and this is where the > > danger lies. The brain is constantly fighting anything that tries to > > change its chemistry and if this keeps up for weeks, or months, > > eventually permanent, or semi-permnaent, changes to the brain can take > > place . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I don't believe a word they say at webmd or psychology today. Webmd is a big pharma established drug ad. And here is the truth about psychology today. > > > > > > I had an initial phone consultation with Dr.Goldstein couple > of weeks ago and discussed my case with him (PSSD after using Sertraline > for 3 months). Also, mentioned to him about our yahoo group through > which I came to know about him. > > > He said about 30/40 people came to him for treatment > and he claimed to have successfully treated some of them. He said he > could basically categorize these people into 3 groups: those who did not > respond to treatment; those who continue taking the medication and see > relief of PSSD symptoms and those, who after using the medication for > sometime, were able to keep the gains from the treatment and hence no > longer need the meds. > > > I know that there have atleast been 3/4 people in the > last 3 months or so that started his treatment and started getting > better. Have there been cases that successfully recovered from his > treatment and no longer need the meds? Just the other day, someone wrote > about how he was able to get better from pssd by going back on Prozac > plus Buspar. Its been 1yr for me since the onset of PSSD and I'm getting > desperate. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Wow...this is very encouraging. Your story is very inspiring, Sam. I do believe we can get there. At the core of my belief lies the fact that at times, I'm almost normal. We have to surround ourselves with the right kind of environment to let the body repair itself, I guess. Since the last time I felt normal, I had been too busy at work, didn't get much exercise and I believe my condition actually got worse. Slowly getting into the grove again. We'll see. Subject: Re: Dr.Goldstein's treatmentTo: SSRIsex Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 4:15 PM Don't give up. Some of us have been dealing with this for years now (four years myself), and we just don't know what will happen in each of our cases. I've been on the 'Goldstein Protocol' for several months now, and I can honestly say, things are getting better. Slowly. Whether it's the passage of time or the drugs or the placebo effect or the circumstances in my life or or or - who can say? But things are getting better. My libido is back to a fairly healthy level, I am back to having nocturnal erections and erotic dreams, I can get and maintain erections, my sensation is improving, my orgasmic experience is improving, I'm beginning to have physiological responses to visual stimuli...But all of this is rather unpredictable. There are times when I have relatively little sensation or physiological response. All I can say is that healing does not appear to be a linear path...So try to hold on and be patient. I KNOW how frustrating and hopeless it can seem. Believe me, I have wanted to end it all many, many, many times. I'm a gay man - relatively young - 32 years old. I spent all of my high school years avoiding sexuality while my peers were experimenting and dating etc...throughout my twenties, I struggled to reconcile my religious upbringing with my emerging and at the time shameful desires for other men. I was in 'reparative' therapy to become straight punishing myself at every turn for what came as naturally to me as breath. I was a very conflicted, depressed young man. Most of my youth, when I was at my most attractive and energetic, I was walking in circles trying to be something I was not - trying to fix myself. Sabotaging potential relationships and running from any opportunity for sexual fulfillment. When I finally got it all sorted out and accepted myself for who I am, I went off my medications - only to have the sexuality I fought so hard for obliterated and made obsolete by a limp, numb, unresponsive dick, muted orgasm, and blunted libido. It's the height of existential cruelty - and has been very hard to extinguish my anger and resentment and rise above it. That the medications intended to rescue me from depression should make concrete a set of depressing circumstances is ironic to say the least! (Even now, I can imagine a contingent of individuals celebrating my PSSD as God's intervention in my homosexual perversion.. .and that's just sad.)The thought of suicide is an old, old...friend - well, maybe not a friend so much as a companion or familiar next-door neighbor who comes knocking to borrow sugar more often than is welcome. I've learned to keep a bag of sugar at the door and not chat long. As tempting as it has been to free myself of all this pain and frustration, I must believe that things will work out. I cling to the idea that when they do, that when it all comes together - I will have achieved a great personal victory against incredible odds.So - I would say that in the midst of your discouragement - pull it together. Remember that there are others who have gone before and who will come after - and many, many of us alongside you. And your charge is to live on and conjure hope in whatever way you can. I believe that hope itself - deliberate, disciplined optimism - is a critical factor in healing. Thinking defeat, feeling failure, nurturing anger and resentment, embracing hopelessness and despair - while completely justified, are all counter-productive. At root, each of these emotions is a neurochemical event and contributes to a personal neuropsychological culture which if persistently indulged is a prescription to solidify your current state - perhaps worsen it - rather than emerge from it in health and wholeness. Actively hoping, recognizing you are not alone, and having faith in your body's ability to heal itself in time are as important as fish oil, B-vitamins, testosterone, dostinex, filabanserin, or whatever the next trend in PSSD treatment might be.That's all I got. Hang in there.sam> >> > > > I'm not too optimistic about filabanserin. It works like an> > antidepressant and takes weeks to be effective and this is where the> > danger lies. The brain is constantly fighting anything that tries to> > change its chemistry and if this keeps up for weeks, or months,> > eventually permanent, or semi-permnaent, changes to the brain can take> > place .> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 thanks for the update. thats very interesting story. I think all of us are going through a hard time not just sexually but in our social life as well. I hope you continue to improve. I have good hopes about the filabanserin. I think it will sort out the question whether serotonin has anything to do with PSSD. > > > > > > > > > I'm not too optimistic about filabanserin. It works like an > > > antidepressant and takes weeks to be effective and this is where the > > > danger lies. The brain is constantly fighting anything that tries to > > > change its chemistry and if this keeps up for weeks, or months, > > > eventually permanent, or semi-permnaent, changes to the brain can take > > > place . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 @gwistik: Yes, thanks for your ancuoaring words and for sharing all these details. I'm not too desperate in the moment (suffer this horrible affliction for nearly four years too..). I would love to respond to your words a little more, but sadly my english is too broken. I think to keep calm is very important for all of us. > > > > > > > > > I'm not too optimistic about filabanserin. It works like an > > > antidepressant and takes weeks to be effective and this is where the > > > danger lies. The brain is constantly fighting anything that tries to > > > change its chemistry and if this keeps up for weeks, or months, > > > eventually permanent, or semi-permnaent, changes to the brain can take > > > place . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Gwistik, your post is so well-written, your voice so compelling, your story should be required reading for every prescriber of SSRIs and every consumer considering trying them. Best wishes for your continued recovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not too optimistic about filabanserin. It works like an > > > > antidepressant and takes weeks to be effective and this is where the > > > > danger lies. The brain is constantly fighting anything that tries to > > > > change its chemistry and if this keeps up for weeks, or months, > > > > eventually permanent, or semi-permnaent, changes to the brain can take > > > > place . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Glad to hear you're making progress after such a rough time. These stories of improvement give hope. What is the 'Goldstein Protocol'? Thanks > > > > > > > > > I'm not too optimistic about filabanserin. It works like an > > > antidepressant and takes weeks to be effective and this is where the > > > danger lies. The brain is constantly fighting anything that tries to > > > change its chemistry and if this keeps up for weeks, or months, > > > eventually permanent, or semi-permnaent, changes to the brain can take > > > place . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 hey gwistik, did you get back the connective feeling that you get between the penis and your head when you get aroused ? hope im making sense. It feels like I get turned on mentally but doesnt translate through my body like there is a disconnection between my head and penis. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not too optimistic about filabanserin. It works like an > > > > antidepressant and takes weeks to be effective and this is where the > > > > danger lies. The brain is constantly fighting anything that tries to > > > > change its chemistry and if this keeps up for weeks, or months, > > > > eventually permanent, or semi-permnaent, changes to the brain can take > > > > place . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Testosteroine and dopamine: http://videos.howstuffworks.com/discovery/35985-science-of-sex-appeal-testosterone-vs-dopamine-video.htm Testosterone, preoptic dopamine, and copulation in male rats Therefore, one means by which testosterone may promote copulation is by upregulating nitric oxide synthesis in the MPOA, which in turn enhances dopamine release. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9370196 Effects of testosterone on neuronal nitric oxide synthase and tyrosine hydroxylase Thus, one means by which testosterone promotes male sexual behavior may be by increasing production of NO in the MPOA, which increases local DA release. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10415408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 I think PSSD may be way more complicated than just dopamine and testosterone. If it was just due to low dopamine and testosterone, we should be all cured by now. > > > Testosteroine and dopamine: > > http://videos.howstuffworks.com/discovery/35985-science-of-sex-appeal-te\ > stosterone-vs-dopamine-video.htm > <http://videos.howstuffworks.com/discovery/35985-science-of-sex-appeal-t\ > estosterone-vs-dopamine-video.htm> > > > > Testosterone, preoptic dopamine, and copulation in male rats > > Therefore, one means by which testosterone may promote copulation is by > upregulating nitric oxide synthesis in the MPOA, which in turn enhances > dopamine release. > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9370196 > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9370196> > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10415408> > > > > Effects of testosterone on neuronal nitric oxide synthase and tyrosine > hydroxylase > > Thus, one means by which testosterone promotes male sexual behavior may > be by increasing production of NO in the MPOA, which increases local DA > release. > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10415408 > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10415408> > > > > <http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SSRIsex/message/13758> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I m sure that problem is more complicated - if we have so low dopamine and testosterone that it causes zero libido and impotence, we should also have a lot of other symptoms in mental and physical areas. But we dont know why some recover, some not, so maybe testosterone and dopamine can help some way in recovery process. Personaly i m pretty sure that we have messed up with some 5-HT receptors and in order to find the cure labs shold concentrate on testing 5-HT agonists and antagonists. Of course, as PSSD is not acknowledged by med businnes, we will wait some time for it. > > > > > > Testosteroine and dopamine: > > > > http://videos.howstuffworks.com/discovery/35985-science-of-sex-appeal-te\ > > stosterone-vs-dopamine-video.htm > > <http://videos.howstuffworks.com/discovery/35985-science-of-sex-appeal-t\ > > estosterone-vs-dopamine-video.htm> > > > > > > > > Testosterone, preoptic dopamine, and copulation in male rats > > > > Therefore, one means by which testosterone may promote copulation is by > > upregulating nitric oxide synthesis in the MPOA, which in turn enhances > > dopamine release. > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9370196 > > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9370196> > > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10415408> > > > > > > > > Effects of testosterone on neuronal nitric oxide synthase and tyrosine > > hydroxylase > > > > Thus, one means by which testosterone promotes male sexual behavior may > > be by increasing production of NO in the MPOA, which increases local DA > > release. > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10415408 > > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10415408> > > > > > > > > <http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SSRIsex/message/13758> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Any further improvement from those on the Goldstein Protocol? Any news? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > I'm not too optimistic about filabanserin. It works like an > > > antidepressant and takes weeks to be effective and this is where the > > > danger lies. The brain is constantly fighting anything that tries to > > > change its chemistry and if this keeps up for weeks, or months, > > > eventually permanent, or semi-permnaent, changes to the brain can take > > > place . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Sorry, I haven't been checking the group posts as regularly as I once did. Maybe that in itself is telling. As far as the 'Goldstein Protocol' I have to say it has helped. Has it been a cure? Not completely - not yet. But things are better. I don't know if it's the treatment or the passage of time that are the reason for my improvements - but there have been improvements. I took Dostinex for just over a year - I've stopped now, thinking I've given it sufficient time to improve dopaminergic tone - that and I've lost health insurance coverage through my former employer. I've been on Clomid for longer - a year and a half or so - and am still taking it. Though I think I may start to taper off that - and see what my T levels look like without it. I was also taking amantadine to potentiate the dostinex. I was following the group at the time the whole homeopathic feverfew thing hit the german list...and at about that time, someone on this list posted about how low doses of melatonin taken sporadically helped increase sensitivity. I found it interesting that feverfew is quite high in melatonin, so I thought there might be something to both accounts. I took some melatonin (.5mg) on one night, off the next for a few weeks, and I did in fact note dramatically improved sensitivity around that time. Again - I don't know if it can be fully attributed to the melatonin or the good sleep I got while on it or something else...all I know is that at about that same time, I noticed a real improvement in nocturnal erections, sexual dreams, sensitivity during masturbation and much improved quality of orgasm. I do believe that the year of dostinex, amantadine, clomid, and daily low-dose cialis helped to recondition my nervous system. While on them, I had a lot of interesting sensations in the nerves in my penis...sometimes like a shooting, electrical pain and totally uncomfortable - but definitely something happening to my nerves down there. My urologist - who has been incredibly supportive with all this - encouraged me saying that such sensations are typical of nerves that are repairing themselves. Who knows... Would I recommend people who have tried everything else and seen no improvement try this combination? Yes. I would. At this point - while things are not 100% and still a bit unpredictable...for the most part, sex is pleasant and worthwhile. I have some sensation - stronger at times, weaker at others, but not dull, flat, and numb like before. My orgasms vary - sometimes they are quite amazing like years ago before all this...and sometimes...they are just okay...but very very rarely are they so unsatisfactory that I wish I'd just gotten the extra half hour of sleep. It's been quite a few months now since I last felt really discouraged and hopeless with sex...that's a pretty big development, because for a long time, I was very much at the end of my rope with all of it - ready to end it. So - I wish I could say - yes - I've fully recovered and here's how: Step 1, Step 2, Step 3...but I can't. However I can say that I've got enough function and sensation back that life doesn't seem so hopeless and sex doesn't seem futile. I've also started to feel 'turned on' again. Mind you, I don't often get an erection from visual stimuli - but it has happened. And that alone is a big development. For what it's worth... > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not too optimistic about filabanserin. It works like an > > > > antidepressant and takes weeks to be effective and this is where > the > > > > danger lies. The brain is constantly fighting anything that tries > to > > > > change its chemistry and if this keeps up for weeks, or months, > > > > eventually permanent, or semi-permnaent, changes to the brain can > take > > > > place . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Many thanks for the update. It's always good and encouraging to read of improvements. I wish you continued improvement and recovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not too optimistic about filabanserin. It works like an > > > > > antidepressant and takes weeks to be effective and this is where > > the > > > > > danger lies. The brain is constantly fighting anything that tries > > to > > > > > change its chemistry and if this keeps up for weeks, or months, > > > > > eventually permanent, or semi-permnaent, changes to the brain can > > take > > > > > place . > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Okay - I just stumbled upon a post I never read because I was not keeping up with the board last February when it was posted. But reading it now I am once again struck by the many distinct & amazing voices there are here. I am bumping it up in case it inspires anybody else. Also, actually, who is Dr. Goldstein and is anybody still seeing him? I missed that chapter completely... > > Don't give up. > > Some of us have been dealing with this for years now (four years myself), and we just don't know what will happen in each of our cases. > > I've been on the 'Goldstein Protocol' for several months now, and I can honestly say, things are getting better. Slowly. Whether it's the passage of time or the drugs or the placebo effect or the circumstances in my life or or or - who can say? But things are getting better. My libido is back to a fairly healthy level, I am back to having nocturnal erections and erotic dreams, I can get and maintain erections, my sensation is improving, my orgasmic experience is improving, I'm beginning to have physiological responses to visual stimuli...But all of this is rather unpredictable. There are times when I have relatively little sensation or physiological response. All I can say is that healing does not appear to be a linear path...So try to hold on and be patient. > > I KNOW how frustrating and hopeless it can seem. Believe me, I have wanted to end it all many, many, many times. I'm a gay man - relatively young - 32 years old. I spent all of my high school years avoiding sexuality while my peers were experimenting and dating etc...throughout my twenties, I struggled to reconcile my religious upbringing with my emerging and at the time shameful desires for other men. > > I was in 'reparative' therapy to become straight punishing myself at every turn for what came as naturally to me as breath. I was a very conflicted, depressed young man. Most of my youth, when I was at my most attractive and energetic, I was walking in circles trying to be something I was not - trying to fix myself. Sabotaging potential relationships and running from any opportunity for sexual fulfillment. > > When I finally got it all sorted out and accepted myself for who I am, I went off my medications - only to have the sexuality I fought so hard for obliterated and made obsolete by a limp, numb, unresponsive dick, muted orgasm, and blunted libido. It's the height of existential cruelty - and has been very hard to extinguish my anger and resentment and rise above it. That the medications intended to rescue me from depression should make concrete a set of depressing circumstances is ironic to say the least! (Even now, I can imagine a contingent of individuals celebrating my PSSD as God's intervention in my homosexual perversion...and that's just sad.) > > The thought of suicide is an old, old...friend - well, maybe not a friend so much as a companion or familiar next-door neighbor who comes knocking to borrow sugar more often than is welcome. I've learned to keep a bag of sugar at the door and not chat long. As tempting as it has been to free myself of all this pain and frustration, I must believe that things will work out. I cling to the idea that when they do, that when it all comes together - I will have achieved a great personal victory against incredible odds. > > So - I would say that in the midst of your discouragement - pull it together. Remember that there are others who have gone before and who will come after - and many, many of us alongside you. And your charge is to live on and conjure hope in whatever way you can. > > I believe that hope itself - deliberate, disciplined optimism - is a critical factor in healing. Thinking defeat, feeling failure, nurturing anger and resentment, embracing hopelessness and despair - while completely justified, are all counter-productive. At root, each of these emotions is a neurochemical event and contributes to a personal neuropsychological culture which if persistently indulged is a prescription to solidify your current state - perhaps worsen it - rather than emerge from it in health and wholeness. > > Actively hoping, recognizing you are not alone, and having faith in your body's ability to heal itself in time are as important as fish oil, B-vitamins, testosterone, dostinex, filabanserin, or whatever the next trend in PSSD treatment might be. > > That's all I got. Hang in there. > > sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Dr. Goldstein is a leading medical doctor in sexual medicine in San Diego, California. He is quite expensive though but does believe in PSSD. http://www.sandiegosexualmedicine.com/ > > > > Don't give up. > > > > Some of us have been dealing with this for years now (four years myself), and we just don't know what will happen in each of our cases. > > > > I've been on the 'Goldstein Protocol' for several months now, and I can honestly say, things are getting better. Slowly. Whether it's the passage of time or the drugs or the placebo effect or the circumstances in my life or or or - who can say? But things are getting better. My libido is back to a fairly healthy level, I am back to having nocturnal erections and erotic dreams, I can get and maintain erections, my sensation is improving, my orgasmic experience is improving, I'm beginning to have physiological responses to visual stimuli...But all of this is rather unpredictable. There are times when I have relatively little sensation or physiological response. All I can say is that healing does not appear to be a linear path...So try to hold on and be patient. > > > > I KNOW how frustrating and hopeless it can seem. Believe me, I have wanted to end it all many, many, many times. I'm a gay man - relatively young - 32 years old. I spent all of my high school years avoiding sexuality while my peers were experimenting and dating etc...throughout my twenties, I struggled to reconcile my religious upbringing with my emerging and at the time shameful desires for other men. > > > > I was in 'reparative' therapy to become straight punishing myself at every turn for what came as naturally to me as breath. I was a very conflicted, depressed young man. Most of my youth, when I was at my most attractive and energetic, I was walking in circles trying to be something I was not - trying to fix myself. Sabotaging potential relationships and running from any opportunity for sexual fulfillment. > > > > When I finally got it all sorted out and accepted myself for who I am, I went off my medications - only to have the sexuality I fought so hard for obliterated and made obsolete by a limp, numb, unresponsive dick, muted orgasm, and blunted libido. It's the height of existential cruelty - and has been very hard to extinguish my anger and resentment and rise above it. That the medications intended to rescue me from depression should make concrete a set of depressing circumstances is ironic to say the least! (Even now, I can imagine a contingent of individuals celebrating my PSSD as God's intervention in my homosexual perversion...and that's just sad.) > > > > The thought of suicide is an old, old...friend - well, maybe not a friend so much as a companion or familiar next-door neighbor who comes knocking to borrow sugar more often than is welcome. I've learned to keep a bag of sugar at the door and not chat long. As tempting as it has been to free myself of all this pain and frustration, I must believe that things will work out. I cling to the idea that when they do, that when it all comes together - I will have achieved a great personal victory against incredible odds. > > > > So - I would say that in the midst of your discouragement - pull it together. Remember that there are others who have gone before and who will come after - and many, many of us alongside you. And your charge is to live on and conjure hope in whatever way you can. > > > > I believe that hope itself - deliberate, disciplined optimism - is a critical factor in healing. Thinking defeat, feeling failure, nurturing anger and resentment, embracing hopelessness and despair - while completely justified, are all counter-productive. At root, each of these emotions is a neurochemical event and contributes to a personal neuropsychological culture which if persistently indulged is a prescription to solidify your current state - perhaps worsen it - rather than emerge from it in health and wholeness. > > > > Actively hoping, recognizing you are not alone, and having faith in your body's ability to heal itself in time are as important as fish oil, B-vitamins, testosterone, dostinex, filabanserin, or whatever the next trend in PSSD treatment might be. > > > > That's all I got. Hang in there. > > > > sam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Do you know anybody that was CURED? Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®Sender: SSRIsex Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 08:38:50 -0000To: <SSRIsex >ReplyTo: SSRIsex Subject: Re: Dr.Goldstein's treatment Dr. Goldstein is a leading medical doctor in sexual medicine in San Diego, California. He is quite expensive though but does believe in PSSD. http://www.sandiegosexualmedicine.com/--- In SSRIsex , " ziggizoo " wrote:>> Okay - I just stumbled upon a post I never read because I was not keeping up with the board last February when it was posted.> > But reading it now I am once again struck by the many distinct & amazing voices there are here. I am bumping it up in case it inspires anybody else. > > Also, actually, who is Dr. Goldstein and is anybody still seeing him? I missed that chapter completely... > > > > >> > Don't give up. > > > > Some of us have been dealing with this for years now (four years myself), and we just don't know what will happen in each of our cases. > > > > I've been on the 'Goldstein Protocol' for several months now, and I can honestly say, things are getting better. Slowly. Whether it's the passage of time or the drugs or the placebo effect or the circumstances in my life or or or - who can say? But things are getting better. My libido is back to a fairly healthy level, I am back to having nocturnal erections and erotic dreams, I can get and maintain erections, my sensation is improving, my orgasmic experience is improving, I'm beginning to have physiological responses to visual stimuli...But all of this is rather unpredictable. There are times when I have relatively little sensation or physiological response. All I can say is that healing does not appear to be a linear path...So try to hold on and be patient. > > > > I KNOW how frustrating and hopeless it can seem. Believe me, I have wanted to end it all many, many, many times. I'm a gay man - relatively young - 32 years old. I spent all of my high school years avoiding sexuality while my peers were experimenting and dating etc...throughout my twenties, I struggled to reconcile my religious upbringing with my emerging and at the time shameful desires for other men. > > > > I was in 'reparative' therapy to become straight punishing myself at every turn for what came as naturally to me as breath. I was a very conflicted, depressed young man. Most of my youth, when I was at my most attractive and energetic, I was walking in circles trying to be something I was not - trying to fix myself. Sabotaging potential relationships and running from any opportunity for sexual fulfillment. > > > > When I finally got it all sorted out and accepted myself for who I am, I went off my medications - only to have the sexuality I fought so hard for obliterated and made obsolete by a limp, numb, unresponsive dick, muted orgasm, and blunted libido. It's the height of existential cruelty - and has been very hard to extinguish my anger and resentment and rise above it. That the medications intended to rescue me from depression should make concrete a set of depressing circumstances is ironic to say the least! (Even now, I can imagine a contingent of individuals celebrating my PSSD as God's intervention in my homosexual perversion...and that's just sad.)> > > > The thought of suicide is an old, old...friend - well, maybe not a friend so much as a companion or familiar next-door neighbor who comes knocking to borrow sugar more often than is welcome. I've learned to keep a bag of sugar at the door and not chat long. As tempting as it has been to free myself of all this pain and frustration, I must believe that things will work out. I cling to the idea that when they do, that when it all comes together - I will have achieved a great personal victory against incredible odds.> > > > So - I would say that in the midst of your discouragement - pull it together. Remember that there are others who have gone before and who will come after - and many, many of us alongside you. And your charge is to live on and conjure hope in whatever way you can. > > > > I believe that hope itself - deliberate, disciplined optimism - is a critical factor in healing. Thinking defeat, feeling failure, nurturing anger and resentment, embracing hopelessness and despair - while completely justified, are all counter-productive. At root, each of these emotions is a neurochemical event and contributes to a personal neuropsychological culture which if persistently indulged is a prescription to solidify your current state - perhaps worsen it - rather than emerge from it in health and wholeness. > > > > Actively hoping, recognizing you are not alone, and having faith in your body's ability to heal itself in time are as important as fish oil, B-vitamins, testosterone, dostinex, filabanserin, or whatever the next trend in PSSD treatment might be.> > > > That's all I got. Hang in there.> > > > sam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 where can ik read 'Goldstein Protocol'?? that can i give to my doct... > > > > > > Don't give up. > > > > > > Some of us have been dealing with this for years now (four years myself), and we just don't know what will happen in each of our cases. > > > > > > I've been on the 'Goldstein Protocol' for several months now, and I can honestly say, things are getting better. Slowly. Whether it's the passage of time or the drugs or the placebo effect or the circumstances in my life or or or - who can say? But things are getting better. My libido is back to a fairly healthy level, I am back to having nocturnal erections and erotic dreams, I can get and maintain erections, my sensation is improving, my orgasmic experience is improving, I'm beginning to have physiological responses to visual stimuli...But all of this is rather unpredictable. There are times when I have relatively little sensation or physiological response. All I can say is that healing does not appear to be a linear path...So try to hold on and be patient. > > > > > > I KNOW how frustrating and hopeless it can seem. Believe me, I have wanted to end it all many, many, many times. I'm a gay man - relatively young - 32 years old. I spent all of my high school years avoiding sexuality while my peers were experimenting and dating etc...throughout my twenties, I struggled to reconcile my religious upbringing with my emerging and at the time shameful desires for other men. > > > > > > I was in 'reparative' therapy to become straight punishing myself at every turn for what came as naturally to me as breath. I was a very conflicted, depressed young man. Most of my youth, when I was at my most attractive and energetic, I was walking in circles trying to be something I was not - trying to fix myself. Sabotaging potential relationships and running from any opportunity for sexual fulfillment. > > > > > > When I finally got it all sorted out and accepted myself for who I am, I went off my medications - only to have the sexuality I fought so hard for obliterated and made obsolete by a limp, numb, unresponsive dick, muted orgasm, and blunted libido. It's the height of existential cruelty - and has been very hard to extinguish my anger and resentment and rise above it. That the medications intended to rescue me from depression should make concrete a set of depressing circumstances is ironic to say the least! (Even now, I can imagine a contingent of individuals celebrating my PSSD as God's intervention in my homosexual perversion...and that's just sad.) > > > > > > The thought of suicide is an old, old...friend - well, maybe not a friend so much as a companion or familiar next-door neighbor who comes knocking to borrow sugar more often than is welcome. I've learned to keep a bag of sugar at the door and not chat long. As tempting as it has been to free myself of all this pain and frustration, I must believe that things will work out. I cling to the idea that when they do, that when it all comes together - I will have achieved a great personal victory against incredible odds. > > > > > > So - I would say that in the midst of your discouragement - pull it together. Remember that there are others who have gone before and who will come after - and many, many of us alongside you. And your charge is to live on and conjure hope in whatever way you can. > > > > > > I believe that hope itself - deliberate, disciplined optimism - is a critical factor in healing. Thinking defeat, feeling failure, nurturing anger and resentment, embracing hopelessness and despair - while completely justified, are all counter-productive. At root, each of these emotions is a neurochemical event and contributes to a personal neuropsychological culture which if persistently indulged is a prescription to solidify your current state - perhaps worsen it - rather than emerge from it in health and wholeness. > > > > > > Actively hoping, recognizing you are not alone, and having faith in your body's ability to heal itself in time are as important as fish oil, B-vitamins, testosterone, dostinex, filabanserin, or whatever the next trend in PSSD treatment might be. > > > > > > That's all I got. Hang in there. > > > > > > sam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 please someone? > > > > > > > > Don't give up. > > > > > > > > Some of us have been dealing with this for years now (four years myself), and we just don't know what will happen in each of our cases. > > > > > > > > I've been on the 'Goldstein Protocol' for several months now, and I can honestly say, things are getting better. Slowly. Whether it's the passage of time or the drugs or the placebo effect or the circumstances in my life or or or - who can say? But things are getting better. My libido is back to a fairly healthy level, I am back to having nocturnal erections and erotic dreams, I can get and maintain erections, my sensation is improving, my orgasmic experience is improving, I'm beginning to have physiological responses to visual stimuli...But all of this is rather unpredictable. There are times when I have relatively little sensation or physiological response. All I can say is that healing does not appear to be a linear path...So try to hold on and be patient. > > > > > > > > I KNOW how frustrating and hopeless it can seem. Believe me, I have wanted to end it all many, many, many times. I'm a gay man - relatively young - 32 years old. I spent all of my high school years avoiding sexuality while my peers were experimenting and dating etc...throughout my twenties, I struggled to reconcile my religious upbringing with my emerging and at the time shameful desires for other men. > > > > > > > > I was in 'reparative' therapy to become straight punishing myself at every turn for what came as naturally to me as breath. I was a very conflicted, depressed young man. Most of my youth, when I was at my most attractive and energetic, I was walking in circles trying to be something I was not - trying to fix myself. Sabotaging potential relationships and running from any opportunity for sexual fulfillment. > > > > > > > > When I finally got it all sorted out and accepted myself for who I am, I went off my medications - only to have the sexuality I fought so hard for obliterated and made obsolete by a limp, numb, unresponsive dick, muted orgasm, and blunted libido. It's the height of existential cruelty - and has been very hard to extinguish my anger and resentment and rise above it. That the medications intended to rescue me from depression should make concrete a set of depressing circumstances is ironic to say the least! (Even now, I can imagine a contingent of individuals celebrating my PSSD as God's intervention in my homosexual perversion...and that's just sad.) > > > > > > > > The thought of suicide is an old, old...friend - well, maybe not a friend so much as a companion or familiar next-door neighbor who comes knocking to borrow sugar more often than is welcome. I've learned to keep a bag of sugar at the door and not chat long. As tempting as it has been to free myself of all this pain and frustration, I must believe that things will work out. I cling to the idea that when they do, that when it all comes together - I will have achieved a great personal victory against incredible odds. > > > > > > > > So - I would say that in the midst of your discouragement - pull it together. Remember that there are others who have gone before and who will come after - and many, many of us alongside you. And your charge is to live on and conjure hope in whatever way you can. > > > > > > > > I believe that hope itself - deliberate, disciplined optimism - is a critical factor in healing. Thinking defeat, feeling failure, nurturing anger and resentment, embracing hopelessness and despair - while completely justified, are all counter-productive. At root, each of these emotions is a neurochemical event and contributes to a personal neuropsychological culture which if persistently indulged is a prescription to solidify your current state - perhaps worsen it - rather than emerge from it in health and wholeness. > > > > > > > > Actively hoping, recognizing you are not alone, and having faith in your body's ability to heal itself in time are as important as fish oil, B-vitamins, testosterone, dostinex, filabanserin, or whatever the next trend in PSSD treatment might be. > > > > > > > > That's all I got. Hang in there. > > > > > > > > sam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Yeah, what is the Goldstein Protocol? If this is working for you, I'm sure it would be of interest to the rest of the group. > > > > > > > > Don't give up. > > > > > > > > Some of us have been dealing with this for years now (four years myself), and we just don't know what will happen in each of our cases. > > > > > > > > I've been on the 'Goldstein Protocol' for several months now, and I can honestly say, things are getting better. Slowly. Whether it's the passage of time or the drugs or the placebo effect or the circumstances in my life or or or - who can say? But things are getting better. My libido is back to a fairly healthy level, I am back to having nocturnal erections and erotic dreams, I can get and maintain erections, my sensation is improving, my orgasmic experience is improving, I'm beginning to have physiological responses to visual stimuli...But all of this is rather unpredictable. There are times when I have relatively little sensation or physiological response. All I can say is that healing does not appear to be a linear path...So try to hold on and be patient. > > > > > > > > I KNOW how frustrating and hopeless it can seem. Believe me, I have wanted to end it all many, many, many times. I'm a gay man - relatively young - 32 years old. I spent all of my high school years avoiding sexuality while my peers were experimenting and dating etc...throughout my twenties, I struggled to reconcile my religious upbringing with my emerging and at the time shameful desires for other men. > > > > > > > > I was in 'reparative' therapy to become straight punishing myself at every turn for what came as naturally to me as breath. I was a very conflicted, depressed young man. Most of my youth, when I was at my most attractive and energetic, I was walking in circles trying to be something I was not - trying to fix myself. Sabotaging potential relationships and running from any opportunity for sexual fulfillment. > > > > > > > > When I finally got it all sorted out and accepted myself for who I am, I went off my medications - only to have the sexuality I fought so hard for obliterated and made obsolete by a limp, numb, unresponsive dick, muted orgasm, and blunted libido. It's the height of existential cruelty - and has been very hard to extinguish my anger and resentment and rise above it. That the medications intended to rescue me from depression should make concrete a set of depressing circumstances is ironic to say the least! (Even now, I can imagine a contingent of individuals celebrating my PSSD as God's intervention in my homosexual perversion...and that's just sad.) > > > > > > > > The thought of suicide is an old, old...friend - well, maybe not a friend so much as a companion or familiar next-door neighbor who comes knocking to borrow sugar more often than is welcome. I've learned to keep a bag of sugar at the door and not chat long. As tempting as it has been to free myself of all this pain and frustration, I must believe that things will work out. I cling to the idea that when they do, that when it all comes together - I will have achieved a great personal victory against incredible odds. > > > > > > > > So - I would say that in the midst of your discouragement - pull it together. Remember that there are others who have gone before and who will come after - and many, many of us alongside you. And your charge is to live on and conjure hope in whatever way you can. > > > > > > > > I believe that hope itself - deliberate, disciplined optimism - is a critical factor in healing. Thinking defeat, feeling failure, nurturing anger and resentment, embracing hopelessness and despair - while completely justified, are all counter-productive. At root, each of these emotions is a neurochemical event and contributes to a personal neuropsychological culture which if persistently indulged is a prescription to solidify your current state - perhaps worsen it - rather than emerge from it in health and wholeness. > > > > > > > > Actively hoping, recognizing you are not alone, and having faith in your body's ability to heal itself in time are as important as fish oil, B-vitamins, testosterone, dostinex, filabanserin, or whatever the next trend in PSSD treatment might be. > > > > > > > > That's all I got. Hang in there. > > > > > > > > sam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Gwistik showed Goldstein Protocol if you check guys. > > I had an initial phone consultation with Dr.Goldstein couple of weeks ago and discussed my case with him (PSSD after using Sertraline for 3 months). Also, mentioned to him about our yahoo group through which I came to know about him. > He said about 30/40 people came to him for treatment and he claimed to have successfully treated some of them. He said he could basically categorize these people into 3 groups: those who did not respond to treatment; those who continue taking the medication and see relief of PSSD symptoms and those, who after using the medication for sometime, were able to keep the gains from the treatment and hence no longer need the meds. > I know that there have atleast been 3/4 people in the last 3 months or so that started his treatment and started getting better. Have there been cases that successfully recovered from his treatment and no longer need the meds? Just the other day, someone wrote about how he was able to get better from pssd by going back on Prozac plus Buspar. Its been 1yr for me since the onset of PSSD and I'm getting desperate. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 How come everything I ever find on the Goldstein Protocol says that Dr. Goldstein retired back in 2003. Does he have a son or did he recently come out of retirement? > > > > I had an initial phone consultation with Dr.Goldstein couple of weeks ago and discussed my case with him (PSSD after using Sertraline for 3 months). Also, mentioned to him about our yahoo group through which I came to know about him. > > He said about 30/40 people came to him for treatment and he claimed to have successfully treated some of them. He said he could basically categorize these people into 3 groups: those who did not respond to treatment; those who continue taking the medication and see relief of PSSD symptoms and those, who after using the medication for sometime, were able to keep the gains from the treatment and hence no longer need the meds. > > I know that there have atleast been 3/4 people in the last 3 months or so that started his treatment and started getting better. Have there been cases that successfully recovered from his treatment and no longer need the meds? Just the other day, someone wrote about how he was able to get better from pssd by going back on Prozac plus Buspar. Its been 1yr for me since the onset of PSSD and I'm getting desperate. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Am63zLzSZRKziH3wweT8FhuevZx4?p=%22Goldstein+\ Protocol%22 & toggle=1 & cop=mss & ei=UTF-8 & fr=yfp-t-892 > > > > where can ik read 'Goldstein Protocol'?? that can i give to my doct... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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