Re: The Serotonin Chemical Imbalance Theory is Dead

June 16, 2009

What are you talking about. Serotonin is just one neurotransmitter. Just because

it's not solely responsible for depression doesn't mean there isn't some

chemical imbalance of some kind.. It just means serotonin by itself isn't the

answer.. We don't know what causes depression, we just know there are multiple

ways to treat it, and medication should be more of a last resort then anything.

>

> It's finally over, low serotonin is now almost universally accepted as

> to be not a cause of depression. In fact, rats especially inbread to be

> prone to depression hav high serotonin levels say's this article below.

>

> http://www.anxietyinsights.info/read/page/serotonin_chemical_imbalance_m\

> yth.htm

> <http://www.anxietyinsights.info/read/page/serotonin_chemical_imbalance_\

> myth.htm>

>

> In the below article they say Hooray, because now people can get on

> with the business of curing their depression without feeling that they

> are fixed by biology.

>

> 'This is a great breakthrough for depression sufferers around the world.

> The myth of chemical imbalance effectively renders the sufferer a victim

> of circumstances seemingly beyond their control. Systematic deletion of

> this myth from popular folklore will hopefully encourage sufferers of

> depression to look for more effective ways of dealing with and

> eliminating their depression.'

>

> Here's the link:

>

> http://mental-health.families.com/blog/depression-the-myth-of-chemical-i\

> mbalance

> <http://mental-health.families.com/blog/depression-the-myth-of-chemical-\

> imbalance>

>

> So why do antidepressants seem to help some people with depression? It

> is now believe that they encourage brain cell growth and this counters

> the depression but as I mentioned in my last post this new growth is a

> frankenstein mess.

>

> In this article below they say that exercise can cause regeneration of

> brain cells, but why exercise when you can just pop a pill the say?

> Indeed!

>

> http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/2008/07/10/treating-depression-as-brain-dam\

> age/

> <http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/2008/07/10/treating-depression-as-brain-da\

> mage/>

>

> So what causes the brain damage? Well, it appears to be chronic stress

> that raises cortisol and this harms the brain. See this article:

>

> http://www.anxiety-depression-alternatives.com/articles/cortisol_stress_\

> and_depression.htm

> <http://www.anxiety-depression-alternatives.com/articles/cortisol_stress\

> _and_depression.htm>

>

> The cortisol feedback loop can even become upset even at pregnancy and

> the new baby can be left with chronically high cortisol levels for life.

> The good news is that this can be healed through therapy, or self work,

> when we develop loving and intimate relationships again. Read 'Creating

> Optimism', by Bob Murrey.

>

> When your depression goes the brain starts to heal naturally (I can't

> find the fab site about this). And if you overcome the emotional

> vulnerabilities that caused the depression in the first place you're on

> your your way to excellent to mental health as the cortisol feedback

> loop will normalise. I'm banking my hope that this will reverse PSSD

> too, as excellent mental health means an excellent brain condition.

>

> Meditation seems a good way to start.

>

> Kavy

>

June 17, 2009

Popular folklore my ass. The chemical imbalance lie was invented by the pharma

cartel and the eugenicist psychiatrists ran with it.

The asshole that wrote that article is a pussy for blaming the victims who had

nothing to do with the industry practice of lies, coercion and manipulation.

>

> It's finally over, low serotonin is now almost universally accepted as

> to be not a cause of depression. In fact, rats especially inbread to be

> prone to depression hav high serotonin levels say's this article below.

>

> http://www.anxietyinsights.info/read/page/serotonin_chemical_imbalance_m\

> yth.htm

> <http://www.anxietyinsights.info/read/page/serotonin_chemical_imbalance_\

> myth.htm>

>

> In the below article they say Hooray, because now people can get on

> with the business of curing their depression without feeling that they

> are fixed by biology.

>

> 'This is a great breakthrough for depression sufferers around the world.

> The myth of chemical imbalance effectively renders the sufferer a victim

> of circumstances seemingly beyond their control. Systematic deletion of

> this myth from popular folklore will hopefully encourage sufferers of

> depression to look for more effective ways of dealing with and

> eliminating their depression.'

>

> Here's the link:

>

> http://mental-health.families.com/blog/depression-the-myth-of-chemical-i\

> mbalance

> <http://mental-health.families.com/blog/depression-the-myth-of-chemical-\

> imbalance>

>

> So why do antidepressants seem to help some people with depression? It

> is now believe that they encourage brain cell growth and this counters

> the depression but as I mentioned in my last post this new growth is a

> frankenstein mess.

>

> In this article below they say that exercise can cause regeneration of

> brain cells, but why exercise when you can just pop a pill the say?

> Indeed!

>

> http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/2008/07/10/treating-depression-as-brain-dam\

> age/

> <http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/2008/07/10/treating-depression-as-brain-da\

> mage/>

>

> So what causes the brain damage? Well, it appears to be chronic stress

> that raises cortisol and this harms the brain. See this article:

>

> http://www.anxiety-depression-alternatives.com/articles/cortisol_stress_\

> and_depression.htm

> <http://www.anxiety-depression-alternatives.com/articles/cortisol_stress\

> _and_depression.htm>

>

> The cortisol feedback loop can even become upset even at pregnancy and

> the new baby can be left with chronically high cortisol levels for life.

> The good news is that this can be healed through therapy, or self work,

> when we develop loving and intimate relationships again. Read 'Creating

> Optimism', by Bob Murrey.

>

> When your depression goes the brain starts to heal naturally (I can't

> find the fab site about this). And if you overcome the emotional

> vulnerabilities that caused the depression in the first place you're on

> your your way to excellent to mental health as the cortisol feedback

> loop will normalise. I'm banking my hope that this will reverse PSSD

> too, as excellent mental health means an excellent brain condition.

>

> Meditation seems a good way to start.

>

> Kavy

>

June 18, 2009

http://www.furiousseasons.com/archives/2009/06/study_serotonin_gene_not_linked_t\

o_depression.html

June 18, 2009

Brilliant, survivor030406, I knew that was coming, I searched everywhere for it

but you found it. So we are free to get well. Keep trying everyone!

I wish I could find that site about stress and depression. Apparently, stress

causes a mild atrophy of the brain which causes the depresion. It's reversable

when we overcome our problems and return our cortisol levels to normal. It is

worth it to keep going at it.

Kavy

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June 18, 2009

I think it doesn't make sense to claim that there is absolutely no genetic

influence on mood (and thereby propensity to depression). It strikes me as just

as illogical as the proposition that genetics controls everything. I think the

truth is somewhere in the middle.

Vornan

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June 19, 2009

Totally co-sign what Vornan said.

It's an established fact that our behavior/thinking is determined by our brain.

The brain in turn is hugely dependent on neurochemistry to work properly. Some

people are bound to have defects in this area. This isn't saying that depression

can't occur due to stress or other purely external factors.

In such a complex system as the human brain, errors can occur at countless

junctures. Wouldn't it be very odd if a) all depression-related problems had the

identical root cause across the board and that that root cause had nothing

whatsoever to do with genetics (especially in light of the fact that hereditary

diseases are no stranger to humans)?

If someone suffers from depression, it's absolutely key to try to determine the

most probable cause(s) and then act accordingly. Where I think we agress is that

there's a strong tendency to go for the psychopharma " solution " regardless of

the patient's situation. This is totally irresponsible of course, and the pharma

industry has to take a large part of the blame for this (don't get me started on

the doctors peddling those drugs).

I wouldn't dismiss the chemical imbalance theory. However, what the drug

industry claims its drugs do ( " re-aligning of the neurons " , " re-establishing

natural balance " etc.) is pure bs. And that's the point: Even if they're right

about the cause of depression in some people, they have no viable solution to

offer.

I know we all like clarity. But I think the situation is a lot more gray than

black and white.

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June 20, 2009

The study that came out before this one tried to claim that the serotonin gene

caused depression. I don't have the link off-hand.

I think I've already posted it. There was no scientific validity to it in the

first place. The " researchers " didn't narrow down the serotonin gene from the

million or so available. They simply picked that gene from the beginning then

made up a story about how it is defective. Total fraud. When other studies were

done, they found that many depressed people had very high serotonin level, some

had average level, some had low level. So far, the " chemical imbalance " claim

remains nothing but a dis-proven marketing slogan. Despite the actual science, a

lot of people still choose to believe in the pharma funded myth. Take for

example Stablon, it does the total opposite of an SSRI, yet it is a " treatment "

for depression...

All chemical babble aside... Think about this question:

What is depression?

It is a feeling of hopelessness and helplessness.

And what is the first thing a psychiatrist does?

He says you have a horrible, debilitating, dangerous brain disease, and you need

to be on drugs for the rest of your life, with no hope of ever getting better...

saying there is no cure.

Anyone who believes that shuck n' jive is likely to become depressed and take

drugs with the black box warning...

Many people were given these drugs and told that the drugs were for anxiety.

Then after having sexual dysfunction became depressed and suicidal, which are

problems they never had in the first place.

I'm already digressing here. I'm tired of preaching to the choir, and tired of

debating myths.

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June 21, 2009

-survivor,

there are many, many factual errors in your post here. for example, there are

not " millions " of genes in the human genome, but more like 22,000. also, I don't

think the first paper was a " total fraud " at all just because it was an

association study. they certainly did not claim that " the serotonin gene causes

depression. "

come on. its important to go to the original scientific papers rather than

listen to the media, because the media will sensationalize any story as long as

it sells.

vornan

-- In SSRIsex , " survivor030406 " wrote:

>

> The study that came out before this one tried to claim that the serotonin gene

caused depression. I don't have the link off-hand.

> I think I've already posted it. There was no scientific validity to it in the