Re: i need lots of medication to sleep but can still waken up

[Guest guest]

---you tell us what you take

now please tell us about the damaging side effects of these --i do

hope for your sake you looked into that

i still find it amazing to see many go down the drugs route when

there are so many natural ways to try

which can be much more effective

do you know y you have been encouraged down that route

Well I am going to tell you about something that maybe less than 1%

of the population even understand.

The answer –vested interest and quite a bit of apathy and scientific

arrogance.

There are a few very important points that I would like to cover on

the subject of drugs and research and treatment At present the

system in England is this, all treatment recommended by the NHS

should be tested and approved and quite rightly so. Obviously it

costs vast sums of money to test and approve treatments because of

the possible damage to people and the subsequent litigation costing

millions of pounds. The point is this Where does this money come

from to test and approve treatments?

By far the biggest source is the drug companies.

So take for example a researcher might go along to his local drug

company and tell them his findings about this treatment he has been

working on which is of outstanding value but needs testing further

or approving, you might think they would be falling over themselves

to know more –right, you could not be more wrong.

By and large only treatments, which show the promise of good deal of

a profit, will even get examined.

Because they are in business to make a profit, not for serving the

people.

So many of the thousands of therapies which they see as having no

profit potential do not get approved and thus by and large do not

get recommended by your local doctor or hospital.

Despite The fact that some of them do have overwhelming benefits

some, which have saved needless operations, needless amputations,

needless pain and trauma, needless kidney failures and much loss of

life.

This will apply to any country where most research is being done by

drug companies –

they would probably laugh in your face if you went there with a

promising therapy which was so cheap anyone could get it.

Do you really think they would invest thousands of pounds in any

therapy which did not show the promise of good profit.

Your local G.P/ doctor is not a researcher, do you clearly

understand that

in the main he is told…………… what to prescribe …………. he does not

even have the time often to look at research.

In fact some G.P .s doctors have had action taken against them for

prescribing simple supplements. They are in a difficult position in

a way many would like to prescribe many different therapies but many

feel they cannot for action could be taken against them.

This does not help you does it though.

At this minute 2004 approx 5000 Beds are being taken up by people

in the UK who have had adverse reactions to drugs. Some will die

others will be maimed .A serious amount of suffering is taking place

on a scale that makes some wars look like a minor infringement. That

is a fact

So Mr/Mrs patient in 99% of the time because of this system you will

probably only get recommended drugs.

Primarily because of deliberate government policy not to fund

research into other therapies.

Have you heard your local doctor recommend, Massage, Spiritual

healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light therapy, Colour therapy,

Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers, Magnetic devices,

Electrical Frequency devices.has he mentioned detoxing , reiki,

massage, colonics, enemas, sweat baths , accupuncture, tai chi,

yoga, hypnosis.not to mention castor oil packs epsum salt packs

etc etc.

Has he ever mentioned the power of nutrition what you eat how much

protein, carbo, vitamins, water you take in etc.

Has he ever recommended a detox ..

All of these have shown their inherent worth with thousands if not

millions of testimonials.

As you can see this system in its present state is inherently

flawed, that is

Until the day comes when most of the research and testing is done

by an agency with no vested interests attached and a very clear

agenda of being objective. Acting for the people. Printing and

revealing all results good and bad.

What also clouds the issue further is the fact that some of these

drugs work well but that is not to say that there isn't something

more natural better.

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

Please read my message #15263. All those pills will eventually

damage your body and mind and how can your your poor body ever heal

itself when it's full of foreign matter like drugs? Have you ever

tried just the melatonin or valerian?

Sharon

>

> hi there,

> without drugs i cannot sleep at all. i would be awake all through

> the night. before taking medication i could tell u what was on

the

> radio and what programmes started and when they ended through out

> the night.

> i finally decided i would go down the meds route.

> are you ready?

> i take:

> 250mg trimipramine

> 1mg clonazepam

> 3mg melatonin i take this around 9 pm

>

> one hour before bedtime i take:

> 2 co-codamol

> 20mg baclofen

> valarian

> 2.5mg zolpidem

>

> i hopefully then fall asleep about 1 hr later i also need to eat

> before being able to sleep.

>

> when i waken around 4 am.

> i take:

> 20mg nefopam

> 20mg baclofen.

>

>

> unfortunately back pain can waken me up around 7 am and its then

> difficult to get back to sleep again.

> you may wonder how i manage to function during the day. well

pretty

> good actually. i manage to do 2 afternoons a week at a charity

shop.

> 3 mornings at an office. and 2 other afteroons for another charity

>

> since my severe viral infection and then 6 months of not feeling

> well followed by another severe viral infection i have suffered

from

> urgent ibs-d. this has been since 1989 and i have had cfs/me all

> these years.

>

> i think this is a great site. im glad i found it.

>

> be well,

>

> steve

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

That sure sounds like alot of meds for sure and if your still not

sleeping, I think I would consider changing something if I could.I

would start with the Doctor that perscribed those to you as if they

are not working....why take them? How many of those are addictive

substances? If you don't feel comfortable with your present situation

I would go for another opinion or switch your present doctor all

together. Of course, only you know your situation. I just know that

when you are seriously ill with half a brain, you need to be able to

get some help that is not going to add to the problem. Everyone needs

a support system and there are many of us that don't. My heart goes

out to you!

[Guest guest]

>

> ---you tell us what you take

> now please tell us about the damaging side effects of these --i do

> hope for your sake you looked into that

> i still find it amazing to see many go down the drugs route when

> there are so many natural ways to try

> which can be much more effective

> do you know y you have been encouraged down that route

>

> Well I am going to tell you about something that maybe less than 1%

> of the population even understand.

>

> The answer –vested interest and quite a bit of apathy and scientific

> arrogance.> BLAH,BLAH,BLAH!

Wow, if this is support...I'd like to see you on a bad day!

Not all illnesses or conditions can be handled with natural cures as I

have been there and done that. There are times when medications are

needed and if taken properly, are quite effective for what they were

devised for.

Personally, I am glad that the general public are starting to open

their eyes and take note of the many healthy options we have at our

disposal but you have to start somewhere and can't afford to buy

everything that claims to be " natural and healthy " . I don't find it

surprising at all that we have for too long depended solely on what

our doctors would tell us is wrong with us and what we need to try and

help the situation. Anyone that is surprised at that hasn't been

living on the same planet as I have. Doctors used to be quite

different than they are today and I believe has been a slow

progression that it has gotten past alot of people until they get

seriously sick and start to ride the roller coaster. There are many

Doctors that are also taking note in healthy options for treatments

instead of simply writing a RX.

You said:

Have you heard your local doctor recommend, Massage, Spiritual

healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light therapy, Colour therapy,

Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers, Magnetic devices,

Electrical Frequency devices.has he mentioned detoxing , reiki,

massage, colonics, enemas, sweat baths , accupuncture, tai chi,

yoga, hypnosis.not to mention castor oil packs epsum salt packs

etc etc.

Wow! tai chi? Yoga? For ME/CFIDS? I have to plan a week to have the

strength to take a shower and hopefully make it back to bed! Did you

ask him what he was suffering from?

We arn't all " know it alls " in fact many of us are so sick we can

barely see to do research much less remember 5 min later what we read.

There isn't alot of things that would surprise me anymore but I sure

wouldn't criticize others simply because they arn't as knowledgeable

as you think you are. Perhaps your lucky enough to not be as ill as

some here are. Sometimes in these situations, if you cannot offer

support it is better to say nothing at all. It's obvious that Steve is

reaching out for help and For the most point all I saw was ranting and

personally found it to be offensive. My experiences are not your

experiences and who knows what poor Steve's are but you sound like you

have issues that should not have been directed to him.

In case you want to finish reading your thread, I'll leave this below.

>

> There are a few very important points that I would like to cover on

> the subject of drugs and research and treatment At present the

> system in England is this, all treatment recommended by the NHS

> should be tested and approved and quite rightly so. Obviously it

> costs vast sums of money to test and approve treatments because of

> the possible damage to people and the subsequent litigation costing

> millions of pounds. The point is this Where does this money come

> from to test and approve treatments?

>

> By far the biggest source is the drug companies.

>

> So take for example a researcher might go along to his local drug

> company and tell them his findings about this treatment he has been

> working on which is of outstanding value but needs testing further

> or approving, you might think they would be falling over themselves

> to know more –right, you could not be more wrong.

>

> By and large only treatments, which show the promise of good deal of

> a profit, will even get examined.

>

> Because they are in business to make a profit, not for serving the

> people.

>

> So many of the thousands of therapies which they see as having no

> profit potential do not get approved and thus by and large do not

> get recommended by your local doctor or hospital.

>

> Despite The fact that some of them do have overwhelming benefits

> some, which have saved needless operations, needless amputations,

> needless pain and trauma, needless kidney failures and much loss of

> life.

>

> This will apply to any country where most research is being done by

> drug companies –

>

> they would probably laugh in your face if you went there with a

> promising therapy which was so cheap anyone could get it.

>

> Do you really think they would invest thousands of pounds in any

> therapy which did not show the promise of good profit.

>

> Your local G.P/ doctor is not a researcher, do you clearly

> understand that

>

> in the main he is told…………… what to prescribe …………. he does not

> even have the time often to look at research.

>

> In fact some G.P .s doctors have had action taken against them for

> prescribing simple supplements. They are in a difficult position in

> a way many would like to prescribe many different therapies but many

> feel they cannot for action could be taken against them.

> This does not help you does it though.

>

> At this minute 2004 approx 5000 Beds are being taken up by people

> in the UK who have had adverse reactions to drugs. Some will die

> others will be maimed .A serious amount of suffering is taking place

> on a scale that makes some wars look like a minor infringement. That

> is a fact

>

> So Mr/Mrs patient in 99% of the time because of this system you will

> probably only get recommended drugs.

>

> Primarily because of deliberate government policy not to fund

> research into other therapies.

>

> Have you heard your local doctor recommend, Massage, Spiritual

> healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light therapy, Colour therapy,

> Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers, Magnetic devices,

> Electrical Frequency devices.has he mentioned detoxing , reiki,

> massage, colonics, enemas, sweat baths , accupuncture, tai chi,

> yoga, hypnosis.not to mention castor oil packs epsum salt packs

> etc etc.

>

> Has he ever mentioned the power of nutrition what you eat how much

> protein, carbo, vitamins, water you take in etc.

>

> Has he ever recommended a detox ..

>

> All of these have shown their inherent worth with thousands if not

> millions of testimonials.

>

> As you can see this system in its present state is inherently

> flawed, that is

>

> Until the day comes when most of the research and testing is done

> by an agency with no vested interests attached and a very clear

> agenda of being objective. Acting for the people. Printing and

> revealing all results good and bad.

>

> What also clouds the issue further is the fact that some of these

> drugs work well but that is not to say that there isn't something

> more natural better.

>

[Guest guest]

I would love to say the natural stuff worked for me as well-but it never did.

My naturopath even made up this special stuff for me and he said it would knock

out an elephant-well guess what-DID NOT WORK FOR ME-does that mean I am fatter

than elephant or tougher or what- ehehhe he could not believe it himself. The

only thing that works for me is Temazapan and that does not work if I take it

everyday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I try to only take it every couple of days. I have

tried sooooooooooooooooo many other things and some of them do make me sleep but

in the morning I feel like a zombie whereas Temazapan only lasts four hours and

I feel fine in the morning. Works for me anyway.

Regards Nerida

Amie6109@... wrote:

Sharon,

How much melatoninor Valerian do you take , I am on 2 Valerian and still

cant sleep and Melatonin did not help me sleep. I want to get off the

expensive rx drugs for sleep and restless legs as well.

Thanks ,

Aamanda Wells

[Guest guest]

Hi - re sleep

I suffered for 15 years with this until I stumbled upon this formula - for me

it works

5-HTP

Inositol and

Passion Flower I take two of each at dinner and two at bedtime

Unless I am reved up by something it works!!!

Carol

[Guest guest]

What is HTP?, Inositol? Is this a prescription? Is the passion flower in a

capsule?

Re: i need lots of medication to sleep but can still

waken up

Hi - re sleep

I suffered for 15 years with this until I stumbled upon this formula - for me

it works

5-HTP

Inositol and

Passion Flower I take two of each at dinner and two at bedtime

Unless I am reved up by something it works!!!

Carol

[Guest guest]

What is HTP?, Inositol? Is this a prescription? Is the passion flower in a

capsule?

Re: i need lots of medication to sleep but can still

waken up

Hi - re sleep

I suffered for 15 years with this until I stumbled upon this formula - for me

it works

5-HTP

Inositol and

Passion Flower I take two of each at dinner and two at bedtime

Unless I am reved up by something it works!!!

Carol

[Guest guest]

Sharon, I do not have the sleep answers yetr but I am experimenting and need

to find something for RLS as well. Any suggestiobs, pass them on.

God Bless,

[Guest guest]

Hi - happy to share my knowledge

5htp is the precursor to L-tryptophan which raises the bodys seratonin levels

So it helps your body make L-trypophan and melatonin

Taking melatonin grogs me out just like antidepressants but taking the 5-Htp

works much better for me look up on net 5-Hydroxy L- Tryptophan or 5HTP

They suggest you don't take it with antidepressants though It will increase

the effectiveness of the antidepressants

Passion flower is an herb and you can get it in capsule form anywhere

Inositol is one of the B vitamins also needed in the synthesis of

neurotransmitters

You can get any of these at a health food store or go to Nature Sunshine.com

If you need sponsor number e mail me directly. I use them because I know the

quality is great You can't get inositol from them but the others you can

There is a book called " The Edge Effect " by Braverman who works with natural

stuff to boost neurotransmitters - plus a test to know which one you are

deficient in and what things both meds and natural would help. Good reading

Carol

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[Guest guest]

Hi - happy to share my knowledge

5htp is the precursor to L-tryptophan which raises the bodys seratonin levels

So it helps your body make L-trypophan and melatonin

Taking melatonin grogs me out just like antidepressants but taking the 5-Htp

works much better for me look up on net 5-Hydroxy L- Tryptophan or 5HTP

They suggest you don't take it with antidepressants though It will increase

the effectiveness of the antidepressants

Passion flower is an herb and you can get it in capsule form anywhere

Inositol is one of the B vitamins also needed in the synthesis of

neurotransmitters

You can get any of these at a health food store or go to Nature Sunshine.com

If you need sponsor number e mail me directly. I use them because I know the

quality is great You can't get inositol from them but the others you can

There is a book called " The Edge Effect " by Braverman who works with natural

stuff to boost neurotransmitters - plus a test to know which one you are

deficient in and what things both meds and natural would help. Good reading

Carol

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[Guest guest]

thanks.

Re: i need lots of medication to sleep but can still

waken up

Hi - happy to share my knowledge

5htp is the precursor to L-tryptophan which raises the bodys seratonin levels

So it helps your body make L-trypophan and melatonin

Taking melatonin grogs me out just like antidepressants but taking the 5-Htp

works much better for me look up on net 5-Hydroxy L- Tryptophan or 5HTP

They suggest you don't take it with antidepressants though It will increase

the effectiveness of the antidepressants

[Guest guest]

I think there's probably alot to this one! I can remember this

fantastic stuff I used to buy; it came in a packet, was about $2.00

and it contained a couple (or four?) caps of stuff which was a one

shot 'cold cure.' It worked every time!! You were to take it as soon as

you felt ill in the slightest during cold-flu season, and as I recall

it was at bedtime. I can remember falling straight to sleep and waking

up feeling fine; no drowsiness (and no cold symptoms.)

Also, as I recall, Passion Flower has been used in different cultures

as a herbal medicine with one sort of application or another for a long

time. (Wish I could still find that cold remedy; it was 'Buzz's Cold

Cure'!!)

>

>> Hi - re sleep

> > I suffered for 15 years with this until I stumbled upon this

>>formula - for me it works

> > 5-HTP> Inositol and> Passion Flower. I take two of each at dinner

>and two at bedtime

> >Unless I am reved up by something it works!!!

> > Carol