Re: So pharmological options

[Guest guest]

Hi ,Im thinkng the same here I had my tets levekls checked and they were within normal range yet my balls were not feeling full or anything.Anyway to the point....I tried an mild OTC anti-estrogen lh modulator, http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/iforce/reversitol.htmland my balls are feeling better and well fuller as they are getting stimulated becasue the suppliment is activiting my pituarity gland.If one of the guys in this group could try it and see what they experience that would be great, I know some people use clomid on here but thats at the other end of the scale.

Its all related to dopamine not stimulating the pituarty in my mind and lack of dopamine.Cheers,CTo: SSRIsex Sent: Sunday, 14 June, 2009 23:41:25Subject: So pharmological options

I'm thinking that most people here with PSSD were on SSRI's for depression or anixiety. Also it seems that most here a host of other problems together with PSSD such as Anhedonia, apathy, cognitive dysfunciton, fatigue, sleep disturbances and etc. I'm figuring if you get rid of the anhedonia, apathy and fatigue you probably also get rid of PSSD. Has anyone tried

- Wellbutrin (Bupropion)

- Parnate (Tranylcypromine)

- Desyrel (Trazodone)

- Remeron (Mirtazapine)

- Mirapex (Pramipexole)

- Emsam (Selegiline)

- Serzone(Nefazodone)

- Stablon(Tianeptine)

-Agomelatine

Have you been tested for adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism by a doctor who dosn't just diagnose by blood tests alone? In other words a thyroid literate doctor? Is your testosterone/ Estradiol ratio optimal?

[Guest guest]

Yeah, it's all about dopamine I think. If one had the toolkit necessary, my

advice would be.

1. Raise dopamine

2. Raise testosterone

3. Lower Estradiol

4. Optimize thyroid function

5. Optimize Adrenal function

6. Rest and get good quality sleep.

If only it were that easy to do all that though.

I'm definitely gonna try one of the antidepressants I've listed once I see a

psychiatrist again. I'm think Stablon. A med that actually lowers serotonin.

>

> Hi ,

>

> Im thinkng the same here I had my tets levekls checked and they were within

normal range yet my balls were not feeling full or anything.

>

> Anyway to the point....

>

> I tried an mild OTC anti-estrogen lh modulator,

>

> http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/iforce/reversitol.html

>

> and my balls are feeling better and well fuller as they are getting stimulated

becasue the suppliment is activiting my pituarity gland.

>

> If one of the guys in this group could try it and see what they experience

that would be great, I know some people use clomid on here but thats at the

other end of the scale. Its all related to dopamine not stimulating the

pituarty in my mind and lack of dopamine.

>

> Cheers,

>

> C

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: SSRIsex

> Sent: Sunday, 14 June, 2009 23:41:25

> Subject: So pharmological options

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm thinking that most people here with PSSD were on SSRI's for depression or

anixiety. Also it seems that most here a host of other problems together with

PSSD such as Anhedonia, apathy, cognitive dysfunciton, fatigue, sleep

disturbances and etc. I'm figuring if you get rid of the anhedonia, apathy and

fatigue you probably also get rid of PSSD. Has anyone tried

>

> - Wellbutrin (Bupropion)

> - Parnate (Tranylcypromine)

> - Desyrel (Trazodone)

> - Remeron (Mirtazapine)

> - Mirapex (Pramipexole)

> - Emsam (Selegiline)

> - Serzone(Nefazodone)

> - Stablon(Tianeptine)

> -Agomelatine

>

> Have you been tested for adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism by a doctor who

dosn't just diagnose by blood tests alone? In other words a thyroid literate

doctor? Is your testosterone/ Estradiol ratio optimal?

>

[Guest guest]

I read this about Stablon: http://www.tianeptine.com

Sounds good...but a little bit like promotion. But interesting that it is said

to reverse damages in the brain..and enhance sexual functions.

> I'm definitely gonna try one of the antidepressants I've listed once >I see a

psychiatrist again. I'm think Stablon. A med that actually >lowers serotonin.

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't take it but this is what I found about Tineptine. It seems to

reverse the damage that chronic stress does to the brain and so helps

heal depression.

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Another " French " option is amineptine's cousin, tianeptine (Stablon).

Tianeptine is a neuroprotective antidepressant that reverses the

neuronal damage and lasting misery caused by chronic, uncontrolled

stress. Tianeptine acts both as a non-sedating anti-anxiety agent and a

non-stimulating mood-brightener. Its use increases extracellular

dopamine concentration in the nucleus accumbens and, at higher doses, in

the frontal cortex. Uniquely in clinical medicine, tianeptine acts as a

selective serotonin reuptake enhancer. Its puzzling efficacy as an

antidepressant illustrates how little modern psychiatric medicine really

understands about mind, mood and depression. Like other contemporary

antidepressants, tianeptine's therapeutic action presumably depends on

downstream adaptations both between and within neurons occurring over a

period of several weeks. Chronic tianeptine use reverses stress-induced

hippocampal dendritric atrophy and amgydaloid dendritic hypertrophy,

which is just as nasty as it sounds. But the precise molecular

mechanisms are obscure. Tianeptine/Stablon is not licensed in North

America primarily because its patent has expired.

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Kavy

>

> I read this about Stablon: http://www.tianeptine.com

>

> Sounds good...but a little bit like promotion. But interesting that it

is said to reverse damages in the brain..and enhance sexual functions.

>

>

> > I'm definitely gonna try one of the antidepressants I've listed once

>I see a psychiatrist again. I'm think Stablon. A med that actually

>lowers serotonin.

>

[Guest guest]

The guy in the article below/ link below has a doctorate and has been badly damaged by Prozac. He has still not recovered after six years but he does not mention sexual dysfunction. He has a site where antidepressant victims can join.

He has studied everything he can find on antidepressants and believes that tinaeptine might help him. Here are some extracts from his article.

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In SSRIsexAlthough a condition of serotonergic hyperstimulation calledthe "serotonin syndrome" has been described in medical journalliterature since the 1960s, I am willing to bet that the doctors youProzac victims have seen know nothing or virtually nothing about it,and probably have never heard of it. This was my experience, and itunderscores the unbelievable ignorance throughout the medicalprofession of serotonin syndrome and serotonin toxicity in general.

I believe potential treatments for thiscondition should include some kind of serotonin depleting agent.There are such drugs, but most are either too dangerous, toxic orexperimental; or are not available in the USA to the public. I amaware of two that should be but are not available to the Americanpublic. One of them is tianeptine (which I will discuss in somedetail later), developed and marketed in France. Tianeptine is an"anti-Prozac" drug--it *enhances* or *accelerates* the reuptake ofserotonin, exactly the opposite of Prozac and other so-calledselective serotonin reuptake *inhibitors* (SSRIs). The other of theseserotonin depleting drugs is fenclonine (DL-para-chlorophenylalanine),which inhibits the biosynthesis of serotonin. I believepharmaceutical fenclonine is made by a drug company somewhere outsidethe USA, but I have been unable to find it.

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http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/neur-sci/1997-June/029019.html

Kavy

, "sideaffectedksc" wrote:>> I read this about Stablon: http://www.tianeptine.com> > Sounds good...but a little bit like promotion. But interesting that it is said to reverse damages in the brain..and enhance sexual functions.> > > > I'm definitely gonna try one of the antidepressants I've listed once >I see a psychiatrist again. I'm think Stablon. A med that actually >lowers serotonin.>

[Guest guest]

Tinaneptine can repair the brain. It looks interesting:

http://www.applesforhealth.com/MentalHealth/antirebrain3.html

Kavy

> >> > I read this about Stablon: http://www.tianeptine.com> >> > Sounds good...but a little bit like promotion. But interesting that it> is said to reverse damages in the brain..and enhance sexual functions.> >> >> > > I'm definitely gonna try one of the antidepressants I've listed once> >I see a psychiatrist again. I'm think Stablon. A med that actually> >lowers serotonin.> >>

[Guest guest]

Totally here is what im doing,1) Excersise2) iForce Reversitol3) iForce Reversitol4) Fish Oils5) Excersise6) ValerianaAll covered and its working wonders, especially at the same time.To: SSRIsex Sent:

Wednesday, 17 June, 2009 1:16:03Subject: Re: So pharmological options

Yeah, it's all about dopamine I think. If one had the toolkit necessary, my advice would be.

1. Raise dopamine

2. Raise testosterone

3. Lower Estradiol

4. Optimize thyroid function

5. Optimize Adrenal function

6. Rest and get good quality sleep.

If only it were that easy to do all that though.

I'm definitely gonna try one of the antidepressants I've listed once I see a psychiatrist again. I'm think Stablon. A med that actually lowers serotonin.

>

> Hi ,

>

> Im thinkng the same here I had my tets levekls checked and they were within normal range yet my balls were not feeling full or anything.

>

> Anyway to the point....

>

> I tried an mild OTC anti-estrogen lh modulator,

>

> http://www.bodybuil ding.com/ store/iforce/ reversitol. html

>

> and my balls are feeling better and well fuller as they are getting stimulated becasue the suppliment is activiting my pituarity gland.

>

> If one of the guys in this group could try it and see what they experience that would be great, I know some people use clomid on here but thats at the other end of the scale. Its all related to dopamine not stimulating the pituarty in my mind and lack of dopamine.

>

> Cheers,

>

> C

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> To: SSRIsex@yahoogroups .com

> Sent: Sunday, 14 June, 2009 23:41:25

> Subject: So pharmological options

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm thinking that most people here with PSSD were on SSRI's for depression or anixiety. Also it seems that most here a host of other problems together with PSSD such as Anhedonia, apathy, cognitive dysfunciton, fatigue, sleep disturbances and etc. I'm figuring if you get rid of the anhedonia, apathy and fatigue you probably also get rid of PSSD. Has anyone tried

>

> - Wellbutrin (Bupropion)

> - Parnate (Tranylcypromine)

> - Desyrel (Trazodone)

> - Remeron (Mirtazapine)

> - Mirapex (Pramipexole)

> - Emsam (Selegiline)

> - Serzone(Nefazodone)

> - Stablon(Tianeptine)

> -Agomelatine

>

> Have you been tested for adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism by a doctor who dosn't just diagnose by blood tests alone? In other words a thyroid literate doctor? Is your testosterone/ Estradiol ratio optimal?

>

[Guest guest]

2 and 3 in your list appear to be the same...

vornan

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Im thinkng the same here I had my tets levekls checked and they were within

normal range yet my balls were not feeling full or anything.

> >

> > Anyway to the point....

> >

> > I tried an mild OTC anti-estrogen lh modulator,

> >

> > http://www.bodybuil ding.com/ store/iforce/ reversitol. html

> >

> > and my balls are feeling better and well fuller as they are getting

stimulated becasue the suppliment is activiting my pituarity gland.

> >

> > If one of the guys in this group could try it and see what they experience

that would be great, I know some people use clomid on here but thats at the

other end of the scale. Its all related to dopamine not stimulating the

pituarty in my mind and lack of dopamine.

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> > C

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > To: SSRIsex@yahoogroups .com

> > Sent: Sunday, 14 June, 2009 23:41:25

> > Subject: So pharmological options

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm thinking that most people here with PSSD were on SSRI's for depression

or anixiety. Also it seems that most here a host of other problems together with

PSSD such as Anhedonia, apathy, cognitive dysfunciton, fatigue, sleep

disturbances and etc. I'm figuring if you get rid of the anhedonia, apathy and

fatigue you probably also get rid of PSSD. Has anyone tried

> >

> > - Wellbutrin (Bupropion)

> > - Parnate (Tranylcypromine)

> > - Desyrel (Trazodone)

> > - Remeron (Mirtazapine)

> > - Mirapex (Pramipexole)

> > - Emsam (Selegiline)

> > - Serzone(Nefazodone)

> > - Stablon(Tianeptine)

> > -Agomelatine

> >

> > Have you been tested for adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism by a doctor who

dosn't just diagnose by blood tests alone? In other words a thyroid literate

doctor? Is your testosterone/ Estradiol ratio optimal?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The product covers both, it blocks the bad estrogen which stimulates the pituarty to create lh which also raises testosterone, at the end you have to balaance them out or estrogen will shoot up as well.To: SSRIsex Sent: Thursday, 18 June, 2009 0:51:54Subject:

Re: So pharmological options

2 and 3 in your list appear to be the same...

vornan

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Im thinkng the same here I had my tets levekls checked and they were within normal range yet my balls were not feeling full or anything.

> >

> > Anyway to the point....

> >

> > I tried an mild OTC anti-estrogen lh modulator,

> >

> > http://www.bodybuil ding.com/ store/iforce/ reversitol. html

> >

> > and my balls are feeling better and well fuller as they are getting stimulated becasue the suppliment is activiting my pituarity gland.

> >

> > If one of the guys in this group could try it and see what they experience that would be great, I know some people use clomid on here but thats at the other end of the scale. Its all related to dopamine not stimulating the pituarty in my mind and lack of dopamine.

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> > C

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > To: SSRIsex@yahoogroups .com

> > Sent: Sunday, 14 June, 2009 23:41:25

> > Subject: So pharmological options

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm thinking that most people here with PSSD were on SSRI's for depression or anixiety. Also it seems that most here a host of other problems together with PSSD such as Anhedonia, apathy, cognitive dysfunciton, fatigue, sleep disturbances and etc. I'm figuring if you get rid of the anhedonia, apathy and fatigue you probably also get rid of PSSD. Has anyone tried

> >

> > - Wellbutrin (Bupropion)

> > - Parnate (Tranylcypromine)

> > - Desyrel (Trazodone)

> > - Remeron (Mirtazapine)

> > - Mirapex (Pramipexole)

> > - Emsam (Selegiline)

> > - Serzone(Nefazodone)

> > - Stablon(Tianeptine)

> > -Agomelatine

> >

> > Have you been tested for adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism by a doctor who dosn't just diagnose by blood tests alone? In other words a thyroid literate doctor? Is your testosterone/ Estradiol ratio optimal?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My advice: Don't touch Tianeptine! I took it after my libido had recovered

somewhat and it absoluletly killed it. At least as bad as SSRIs in my case.

Of course, different people will most likely react differently, but based on my

experience, I'd stay away from Stablon.

Also, the quote you cited isn't very trustworthy; it's from the manufacturer.

I'm not saying that Tianeptine might not be beneficial in some respects. But the

claims made are outrageous in my opinion. Just two examples: I think it's

general consensus that Stablon is not as efficacious in treating depression as

SSRIs. And the whole " reversing the damage that chronic stress does to the

brain " thing is flat ridiculous.

Sorry for the rant, but reading those claims has really infuriated me in light

of my experience with Stablon. Never take the info from a source has a vested

interest in selling the product at face value.

Hope this helps.

> >

> > I read this about Stablon: http://www.tianeptine.com

> >

> > Sounds good...but a little bit like promotion. But interesting that it

> is said to reverse damages in the brain..and enhance sexual functions.

> >

> >

> > > I'm definitely gonna try one of the antidepressants I've listed once

> >I see a psychiatrist again. I'm think Stablon. A med that actually

> >lowers serotonin.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that. I couldn't believe that one synthetic chemical could do one

thing and another do the opposite - return everything back to normal. Healing

comes naturaly through hope, happiness, pleasure, and time.

So I don't have to take that risk, thanks again.

Kavy

> > >

> > > I read this about Stablon: http://www.tianeptine.com

> > >

> > > Sounds good...but a little bit like promotion. But interesting that it

> > is said to reverse damages in the brain..and enhance sexual functions.

> > >

> > >

> > > > I'm definitely gonna try one of the antidepressants I've listed once

> > >I see a psychiatrist again. I'm think Stablon. A med that actually

> > >lowers serotonin.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Glad to have helped.

What I find it really curious is that Stablon is claimed to " cure " depression

through the opposite(!) mechanism of SSRIs. Not saying it's not possible, but it

sounds very counter-intuitive. Well, it felt very much like an SSRI to me in

terms of side-effects.

On a sidenote, I did actually feel somewhat of an intellectual boost. If that

wasn't the placebo effect, the manufacturer didn't lie about everything. :-)

(Not that it's worth trying because of that.)

> > > >

> > > > I read this about Stablon: http://www.tianeptine.com

> > > >

> > > > Sounds good...but a little bit like promotion. But interesting that it

> > > is said to reverse damages in the brain..and enhance sexual functions.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I'm definitely gonna try one of the antidepressants I've listed once

> > > >I see a psychiatrist again. I'm think Stablon. A med that actually

> > > >lowers serotonin.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>