Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Dear : Jan said: " ***Level One is where you are experiencing a very pure consciousness so words like pleasure etc are defined in terms of being for an eternity and infinite - and Level Two is pleasure on the physical level as you see the world through your ego so it's limited by time and space. " I would say this a little differently. I would say that: Level One is Reality - What God Created - Oneness. Level Two is Illusion or Projection - Duality. Words do not exist in Level One. Words are from the Ego. says, " Only an Ego speaks. " Pleasure and Pain are examples of duality. Neither one is real, but merely projections of our Ego Mind. The statement " All Pleasure is Pain " really means " The existence of Pleasure requires the existence of Pain. " Since Pain and Pleasure exist only in Level Two, then they exist in the illusion of time. So, if we believe we are experiencing Pleasure, we must eventually wonder " how long will the pleasure last? " This leads us to believe that " a lack of pleasure could be painful. " You see, the two opposites of Pain and Pleasure are tied together like " light and dark " or " up and down " . They require one another inorder to appear to exist. In reality, Level One, neither one exists. They are just another part of the lie of the Ego to make us believe that the body is what we are and that pain and death are real. Steve D. > What I don't get is how you make the jump from delineating the > > levels where we place our concern to, all pleasure is pain. I just don't > > know what was being said. I'd have to make up something to think I > > understood it. > > ***Oh, I see what you are asking and I don't understand it either - I > just leapt in my own mind that what I've noticed is that once everyone > has got the basic needs met they jump into a search for pleasure. > > > > > > > > And you lost me when you started talking levels without delineating > what you > > were referring to. Level 1 is __ to you. Level 2 means ___? > > ***For me levels makes what formerly was not comprehensible make > sense. They come from A Course in Miracles and other places - not my > idea. Before you jumped on board we had a big discussion on levels. > > ***Level One is where you are experiencing a very pure consciousness > so words like pleasure etc are defined in terms of being for an > eternity and infinite - and Level Two is pleasure on the physical > level as you see the world through your ego so it's limited by time > and space. Brennan and Steve really defined these wonderfully a > while ago. I'm just doing recall. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the input though, > > ***You're welcome > - Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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