Re: Weight loss for breastfeeding WAS Hard to advocate WAP for some alternative groups

[Guest guest]

I would take a severe lack of carbs to actually hit ketosis. Why do you

think you would need to go that far?

I have using Sally EFLF book and continue to lose weight nursing and using

the Everday gourmet version. I lean toward the lose weight version but I

still need the snacks because I am starving when nursing and need it to keep

up my blood sugar. I notice my milk supply is fine as long as I drink

enough water. I need to drink about 3/4-1 gal a day. How old is your

child? I really didn't notice a ton of weight lose until after 9 months and

then my body decided it was ok to give up some of the weight.

Blessings,

Weight loss for breastfeeding WAS Hard to advocate WAP for

some " alternative " groups

What is your opinion of trying to lose weight whilst breastfeeding? DS

is getting most (?) of his nutrition via solids now so on one hand I

think it would be ok to cut back on the carbs although this is proving

difficult, but OTOH I am worried about mucking around with the

breastmilk. I can't see anything wrong with trying to adopt a more

traditional type diet because that's how mothers have been eating for

centuries, right? Would it be bad to go into ketosis? It would surely

travel through to the milk but can't see how that would be a bad thing.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> It would take a severe lack of carbs to actually hit ketosis. Why do you

> think you would need to go that far?

Yeah, it sure does mean a severe lack but it's not too burdensome. I

have (or had?) Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome, which is another way of

saying I'm Insulin Resistant. My weight was growing and growing until

diagnosed and the only way that I have found to lose it was to cut back

the carbs. And I find I do have to be pretty low to stay in ketosis.

Too sensitive to the stuff.

>

> I have using Sally EFLF book and continue to lose weight nursing and using

> the Everday gourmet version. I lean toward the lose weight version but I

> still need the snacks because I am starving when nursing and need it

> to keep

> up my blood sugar. I notice my milk supply is fine as long as I drink

> enough water. I need to drink about 3/4-1 gal a day. How old is your

> child? I really didn't notice a ton of weight lose until after 9

> months and

> then my body decided it was ok to give up some of the weight.

>

Young is nearly 14 months. I did cut back a short while ago and

lost 5 kilos (11pounds) but I strayed over the carb limit and couldn't

budge the rest - only another 7 k/15lbs. Only! Have been bingeing

since then. I bought VCO after then. Got myself some ketostix ready to

go too. Happy to start bingeing on punnets of strawberries and buckets

of cream instead of chocolate and bread.

Tell me some more about what you are eating with EFLF and I'll see where

I can get that book.

and blessings to you too

(hoping that doesn't sound hypocritical coming from an ex-catholic)

[Guest guest]

On 7/27/05, <harringtonwa@...> wrote:

> What is your opinion of trying to lose weight whilst breastfeeding? DS

> is getting most (?) of his nutrition via solids now so on one hand I

> think it would be ok to cut back on the carbs although this is proving

> difficult, but OTOH I am worried about mucking around with the

> breastmilk.

The first few months after dd was born, I was so skinny I was quite

gaunt, with these huge, leaky, stripper-sized boobs that surprisingly

didn't make me fall over. After that, up to when she was a year old, I

was just regular skinny.

To tell you the truth, once I got NT last year and started cooking

that way, I started gaining weight. I have a feeling it's dairy, and

have cut way down. It's so easy to chug milk instead of eating

something! Also, due to stress and not eating enough quality fats

(esp. omega-3s), I think I may have damaged my metabolism. I used to

be able to eat anything and be fine, but that's not the case anymore.

I'm wary of cutting down on calories, though (however, cutting carbs

is probably okay in your case). Even though isn't nursing as

much, I find that I get pretty hungry. I'm probably still producing a

lot of milk.

>I can't see anything wrong with trying to adopt a more

> traditional type diet because that's how mothers have been eating for

> centuries, right? Would it be bad to go into ketosis? It would surely

> travel through to the milk but can't see how that would be a bad thing.

It's probably fine, and I know of some nursing mothers who have do

well following an Atkins-style diet. However, I don't do well on low

carbs. It may have to do with being half-Asian, and having a noodle

fetish.

HTH,

Naomi

[Guest guest]

>Tell me some more about what you are eating with EFLF and I'll see where

>I can get that book.

>

FYI y'all, reviewed this book awhile back, starting (I think) with

message #62304.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

How old is your child? I really didn't notice a ton of weight lose until after 9

months and

then my body decided it was ok to give up some of the weight.

Blessings,

I also didn't lose much weight until after my kids all hit about 6 months old.

I KNOW I didn't change my diet or exercise routine, but suddenly the weight

would just start dropping off on it's own. And all 3 of my kids were still

nursing quite a bit at that age. You might try increasing your fat consumption,

especially coconut oil.

Rebekah

[Guest guest]

On 7/27/05, Stump <rstump@...> wrote:

> I have using Sally EFLF book and continue to lose weight nursing and using

> the Everday gourmet version.

The book doesn't recommend doing the hard-core weight lose plan (I

can't remember what it's called) while nursing, because there's not

enough calories IIRC.

> I lean toward the lose weight version but I

> still need the snacks because I am starving when nursing and need it to keep

> up my blood sugar.

Have you tried the suggestion of taking a tablespoon of VCO before

meals? I find this helps stabilize that crazy-starving feeling you get

when nursing. However, I sometimes forget to do this for days at a

time!

> I notice my milk supply is fine as long as I drink

> enough water. I need to drink about 3/4-1 gal a day. How old is your

> child? I really didn't notice a ton of weight lose until after 9 months and

> then my body decided it was ok to give up some of the weight.

>

I think that's normal. I know a lot of women don't lose weight until

after their baby nurses less. At LLL meetings, the mothers are

generally in good shape, better than the general public, even if they

have a couple of kids or more.

Naomi

[Guest guest]

On 7/27/05, Deanna Wagner <hl@...> wrote:

>

> >Tell me some more about what you are eating with EFLF and I'll see where

> >I can get that book.

> >

> FYI y'all, reviewed this book awhile back, starting (I think) with

> message #62304.

I agree with his hesitations. Thanks for the message #of the

discussion for easy reference.

Naomi

[Guest guest]

On 7/27/05, Rebekah Dowd <rmdowd13@...> wrote:

> I also didn't lose much weight until after my kids all hit about 6 months old.

I KNOW I

> didn't change my diet or exercise routine, but suddenly the weight would just

start

> dropping off on it's own.

I think my weight gain on NT has a lot to do with not exercising. Up

until a couple of years ago, I lived in an urban area. I used to strap

dd to me with a sling, and walk to the grocery store or around the

neighborhood almost every day. Now I live in the suburbs, where

there's nowhere fun to walk to. I hate gyms, so they're out too.

The strange thing is, I think I've gained some muscle too. So if I can

just get into doing Pilates again (which is what I did regularly even

in my pregnancy), I would probably be okay. I'm going to try to do it

at night, because dd jumps all over me whenever I try to do any

exercise during the day. She also hates sitting in a stroller, so

walks for exercise are out (having to stop every five feet to look at

something does nothing for the metabolism!).

> And all 3 of my kids were still nursing quite a bit at that age. You might

try increasing

> your fat consumption, especially coconut oil.

>

That's what I've been trying to do. I feel better when I eat more fat.

However, I'm trying to cut down on dairy (my favorite source!), so

it's been a challenge.

Naomi

[Guest guest]

You are right, they don't recommend the weight loss version but the

" everyday gourmet " is a good start. I am doing the VCO TBS before each

meal. I haven't done it in between meals. I am not too worried because I

have severe starvation during pregnancy so I need to be very careful to

nourish my system as much as possible. Especially for future pregnancies.

Right now that means I am overweight but for my overal health that is not a

bad thing.

Blessings,

-----Original Message-----

From:

[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Naomi Giuliano

> I have using Sally EFLF book and continue to lose weight nursing and using

> the Everday gourmet version.

The book doesn't recommend doing the hard-core weight lose plan (I

can't remember what it's called) while nursing, because there's not

enough calories IIRC.

> I lean toward the lose weight version but I

> still need the snacks because I am starving when nursing and need it to

keep

> up my blood sugar.

Have you tried the suggestion of taking a tablespoon of VCO before

meals? I find this helps stabilize that crazy-starving feeling you get

when nursing. However, I sometimes forget to do this for days at a

time!

[Guest guest]

On 7/28/05, Stump <rstump@...> wrote:

> You are right, they don't recommend the weight loss version but the

> " everyday gourmet " is a good start.

It's been a while since I've read about the different diets. I'll have

to take a look again.

I use some of the recipes regularly. My favorite for summer has been

the coconut Waldorf salad. Yesterday was the final day for the Mommy

and me class for summer. It was potluck, so I brought it. I was so

bummed to see very few home-made dishes. Someone actually brought

doughnuts! And the teacher had said she wanted something light. I left

her a few WAP brochures, but didn't get a chance to talk to her about

it.

My dh thinks I'm crazy for obsessing over the potluck, but I've

noticed that for these kinds of get-togethers, and even family events,

people can't be bothered with making a simple thing from scratch.

Couldn't they at least buy a bag of organic salad and bring some olive

oil and vinegar? I understand people are busier these days, but in the

past, it seems like people were proud of their recipes and eager to

share them with others.

> I am doing the VCO TBS before each

> meal. I haven't done it in between meals.

You've been very good! I wish I could remember to do it consistently.

> I am not too worried because I

> have severe starvation during pregnancy so I need to be very careful to

> nourish my system as much as possible. Especially for future pregnancies.

> Right now that means I am overweight but for my overal health that is not a

> bad thing.

Exactly! If you nurse and eat well, the weight will come off

eventually. Better slow and steady than the drastic loss I had after

dd was born. I think it's caused me to have all sorts of problems,

like rashes and little bumps on my upper arms (sign of vitamin A

deficiency).

Naomi

[Guest guest]

Naomi,

>My dh thinks I'm crazy for obsessing over the potluck, but I've

>noticed that for these kinds of get-togethers, and even family events,

>people can't be bothered with making a simple thing from scratch.

>Couldn't they at least buy a bag of organic salad and bring some olive

>oil and vinegar? I understand people are busier these days, but in the

>past, it seems like people were proud of their recipes and eager to

>share them with others.

>

>

Yeah, but even when people bake from scratch, it might be scary. When

things like brownies are loaded with full-sized snickers bars, what is

one to do but refuse and wonder? Some of the gourmand fare that gets

passed off as edible is beyond me. Are there any WAPF potlucks in your

area. I am planning to start some local WAPF potlucks in my area, where

safe food will abound. :-)

People *are* busy. How are cooking skills being passed along these

days? I guess that's the biggest problem, they aren't. Now that my

boys are older, I am teaching and giving them on the job training in NT

cooking. It is a really important skill, and one that improves with

practice. Thank God I am home with them to do this.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

On 7/29/05, Deanna Wagner <hl@...> wrote:

> Naomi,

>

> >My dh thinks I'm crazy for obsessing over the potluck, but I've

> >noticed that for these kinds of get-togethers, and even family events,

> >people can't be bothered with making a simple thing from scratch.

> >Couldn't they at least buy a bag of organic salad and bring some olive

> >oil and vinegar? I understand people are busier these days, but in the

> >past, it seems like people were proud of their recipes and eager to

> >share them with others.

> >

> >

> Yeah, but even when people bake from scratch, it might be scary. When

> things like brownies are loaded with full-sized snickers bars, what is

> one to do but refuse and wonder?

Ah, yes, the baked goods full of candy bars. You do have a point there!

However, this is a Mommy and me class for *toddlers*, so I just

assumed everyone would be on the same page as far as what is

appropriate food for young children, at least in public!

> Are there any WAPF potlucks in your

> area. I am planning to start some local WAPF potlucks in my area, where

> safe food will abound. :-)

We used to have one a year ago, in fact, we had quite a nice local NT

group. But it fizzled out because only a few people (mainly our

chapter leader) would do the organizing, and it got to be a burden.

>

> People *are* busy. How are cooking skills being passed along these

> days? I guess that's the biggest problem, they aren't.

That was why NT was such a revalation to me. Here was the history of

food revealed, and the reasons for doing things a certain way. My

mother is Japanese, but I was banned from all domestic duties and

chores except washing dishes, so I know next to nothing about cooking

Japanese cuisine (and learning has been a daunting task). Let me tell

you, it's pretty hard for this old dog to learn new tricks. <g>

> Now that my

> boys are older, I am teaching and giving them on the job training in NT

> cooking. It is a really important skill, and one that improves with

> practice. Thank God I am home with them to do this.

That's great! My dd is almost 3, but she likes to help me when she

can. She will definitely know how to do things the NT way.

Naomi

[Guest guest]

On 7/31/05, <harringtonwa@...> wrote:

>

> Naomi wrote:

>

> >

> > Exactly! If you nurse and eat well, the weight will come off

> > eventually. Better slow and steady than the drastic loss I had after

> > dd was born. I think it's caused me to have all sorts of problems,

> > like rashes and little bumps on my upper arms (sign of vitamin A

> > deficiency).

> Naomi, what do you term 'eat well'? The guidelines on the WAP pages?

Yes.

> I'll have to go back and take another look at it. Up until a few weks

> ago I would have said that I was eating fairly well (heaps of room for

> improvement) - no sugar or flour, but my weight was increasing.

Were you doing a lot of dairy? For me, I think that's been the

culprit. As of today, I'm going totally wheat and dairy-free. All I

can say is, thank God for coconut! It's replacing all my dairy needs.

Do you think some of your weight gain may be muscle? How do you

feel—pretty healthy? Although I've gained weight, for the first time

in my life I have color in my face, and I don't feel as run down as I

used to. I used to take tons of vitamin C to keep from getting colds,

but find I don't need that any more.

>

> Today has not been too bad. I am determined to pull myself together

> (again)!!

Good for you! I hope it goes well.

Naomi

[Guest guest]

Naomi wrote:

>On 7/31/05, wrote:

>

>

>Naomi, what do you term 'eat well'? The guidelines on the WAP pages?

>

>

>>Yes

>>

<snippety snip>

>>Were you doing a lot of dairy?

>>

.....and I still haven't been back to look at these pages! Better do it

tomorrow or I'll never find time. I wouldn't have said a lot of dairy.

Mostly in coffee, maybe a little cheese. I'm close to sugar free and

grain free now at last. It's a relief. I was getting frantic wondering

why I had no willpower when I have done this before. Still having

kefir, well fermented. Am considering cutting milk totally to get rid

of a stuffy nose which is also continually wet -just slightly runny. If

I were a dog I'd be healthy! I've started forgetting to take VCO. Was

starting to be hard to stick a chunk in my mouth too. Should persevere.

>Today has not been too bad. I am determined to pull myself together

>(again)!!

>

>>Good for you! I hope it goes well.

>>

>>Naomi

>>

Thank you muchly. I appreciate all the goodwill I can get. Now up to

four good days. Scales say I'm down but I will wait till next week to

be confident.

Oh, and the muscles question? Nearly choked then. Not a chance.