Re: Hard to advocate WAP for some alternative groups (eggs)

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On 7/25/05, West <clairewest@...> wrote:

> Naomi,

>

> Ralphs?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> I am so envious. I'm sure you can't be coughing up the $8+ per dozen I am

> at Whole Foods. Is this Frenz eggs?

I can't remember the brand name off the top of my head. It's the one

from NZ sold by the half-dozen in a plastic container, with a green

paper wrapper (all recyclable materials). And yes, it is the one that

runs about $9 a dozen depending on the size (large and extra-large I

think). I only get them once in a while, preferably if dh isn't going

to be home when I come back from getting groceries! Other women hide

their extravagant purchases from Nordstrom's in their closet; I'm

reduced to secretly hording eggs in the back of the fridge.

>

> I just called the Ralphs in Oceanside. The manager said different Ralphs

> have different structures, so he doesn't think he can help me, but is going

> to research it.

>

The Ralphs in Carmel Mountain Ranch has them. It even carries other

organic " cage-free " brands, surprisingly.

However, I do the majority of my shopping at Jimbo's in Del Mar, since

it's owned by a local guy who sometimes gives a hand at the stores.

He also makes it a point to carry as much local organic produce as

possible, and the standard produce is separated in a corner, unlike

Whole Paycheck where it's all mixed together. There's a Jimbo's in

Carlsbad, but I've never been to that location.

Naomi

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On 7/25/05, West <clairewest@...> wrote:

>

> I wish I could raise chickens but a) I'm in a condo complex and it's on

> the second floor.

>

That's too bad. I went to the City of San Diego's home page, and it

said you can have up to 25 fowl, but then further down the FAQ, it

said that if there's more than three noise complaints, you have to get

rid of them. I will start with three, probably, and see how it goes.

Naomi

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On 7/26/05, Naomi Giuliano <n.giuliano@...> wrote:

> > Is this Frenz eggs?

>

> I can't remember the brand name off the top of my head. It's the one

> from NZ sold by the half-dozen in a plastic container, with a green

> paper wrapper (all recyclable materials). And yes, it is the one that

> runs about $9 a dozen depending on the size (large and extra-large I

> think). I only get them once in a while, preferably if dh isn't going

> to be home when I come back from getting groceries! Other women hide

> their extravagant purchases from Nordstrom's in their closet; I'm

> reduced to secretly hording eggs in the back of the fridge.

> >

$9 - that's not so bad. I'm *IN* NZ and it costs me $10 a dozen for

those very same eggs - the XL size. We go through about 3 dozen a

week, so I'm lucky I don't have to hide them!!

Cheers, Deb

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:

> I only get them once in a while, preferably if dh isn't going

> to be home when I come back from getting groceries! Other women hide

> their extravagant purchases from Nordstrom's in their closet; I'm

> reduced to secretly hording eggs in the back of the fridge.

This made me laugh.

Miss B has been funny lately too.

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> This made me laugh.

> Miss B has been funny lately too.

,

" Funny like I'm a clown? I amuse you? "

Miss B.

http://www.filmsite.org/afi400quotes2.html

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Naomi

<Other women hide

their extravagant purchases from Nordstrom's in their closet; I'm

reduced to secretly hording eggs in the back of the fridge.

LOL. (, Naomi's the comedienne, not me. <g>)

<The Ralphs in Carmel Mountain Ranch has them. It even carries other

organic " cage-free " brands, surprisingly.

Ah well, if the price isn't much different, I might just as well continue my

trek down to Whole Foods. That, or pay the even higher prices of Jimbo's.

Yes, I do my main shopping at Jimbo's Carlsbad, and even got them to bring

in the Frenz eggs(that does sound like what you described in the packaging),

but when I found out how much of a mark-up they wanted, I kept going down to

Whole Foods (which was kind of a fun place to visit once a month anyway <g>)

But all that was before gas prices jumped so high.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

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Deb,

<$9 - that's not so bad. I'm *IN* NZ and it costs me $10 a dozen for

those very same eggs - the XL size. We go through about 3 dozen a

week, so I'm lucky I don't have to hide them!!

Wow! I'll stop complaining about the price. I figured what I was paying

for was overnight air shipping from NZ, and I assumed you guys were spending

maybe a dollar or two a dozen. I've been going through a case of the large

(3 dozen) every month or so -- just on my own eating 3 raw yolks a day.

They are great eggs. Though in addition to all that fantastic grass, they

do get some soy in a supplemental, organic feed. (Which is another reason,

Naomi, I still want to hear from you when you go into business.)

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

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speshly when your head near asploded.

I'm glad it didn't!

Not quite a clown. Some sort of bird, like a swallow maybe that plays,

flying about lightly touching here and there. A bit cheeky. And brazen

as well. Not sure which bird it is but I can see it.

Don't know where that all came from but that's what I *see*.

/not seen Goodfellas. funny?

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> , Naomi's the comedienne, not me. <g>)

eh? what the...? I'm thinking has done it to me again. Can't

find the flippin' message now to see how I got mixed up. But you have

been making me smile lately too so that's probably why I got confused.

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> That's too bad. I went to the City of San Diego's home page, and it

> said you can have up to 25 fowl, but then further down the FAQ, it

> said that if there's more than three noise complaints, you have to get

> rid of them. I will start with three, probably, and see how it goes.

Just don't get any roosters. Hens make very little noise.

Lynn S.

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On 7/26/05, Deb Gully <deb.kiwi@...> wrote:

Deb,

> $9 - that's not so bad. I'm *IN* NZ and it costs me $10 a dozen for

> those very same eggs - the XL size.

I wonder why there's virtually no price difference? You guys shouldn't

be paying that much.

> We go through about 3 dozen a

> week, so I'm lucky I don't have to hide them!!

Three dozen a week! That stash would be hard to hide, lol.

When it was cooler, my dd and I could go through almost a dozen a

week. When I make scrambled eggs, I use three at a time, and split it

with her, although sometimes she likes to take a big swig of the raw

mixed eggs before I cook them.

Naomi

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On 7/26/05, West <clairewest@...> wrote:

> >Other women hide

> >their extravagant purchases from Nordstrom's in their closet; I'm

> >reduced to secretly hording eggs in the back of the fridge.

>

> LOL. (, Naomi's the comedienne, not me. <g>)

Yeah, , get it straight, I'm the wise-ass, although " comedienne "

sounds so much nicer! <g>

> <The Ralphs in Carmel Mountain Ranch has them. It even carries other

> organic " cage-free " brands, surprisingly.

>

> Ah well, if the price isn't much different, I might just as well continue my

> trek down to Whole Foods. That, or pay the even higher prices of Jimbo's.

You really think Jimbo's is higher? I've noticed some things, like

Rapadura sugar, is slightly more expensive. I mainly buy produce

that's about a buck a pound, of which they usually have a large

selection. Sometimes produce will be about the same, or even slightly

more expensive at the regular supermarket!

> Yes, I do my main shopping at Jimbo's Carlsbad, and even got them to bring

> in the Frenz eggs(that does sound like what you described in the packaging),

> but when I found out how much of a mark-up they wanted, I kept going down to

> Whole Foods (which was kind of a fun place to visit once a month anyway <g>)

Is it less at Whole Foods? I don't think they have the Frenz at the La

Jolla location. I have to admit, I love the deli selection there!

> But all that was before gas prices jumped so high.

No kidding! I don't know what and I are going to do today. Go

to the neighborhood pool, and be subjected to chlorine (not to mention

all the other breeders and millions of screaming kids), or make the

trek to Fanuel Park in Pacific Beach. It's a little playground near

the water, with its own lifeguard. Kind of like the one near the

station in Del Mar, but I'm not going near there until racing season

is over!

Naomi

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On 7/26/05, <harringtonwa@...> wrote:

>

>

> eh? what the...? I'm thinking has done it to me again. Can't

> find the flippin' message now to see how I got mixed up. But you have

> been making me smile lately too so that's probably why I got confused.

>

,

is very flaky! I'm still trying to get used to gmail's format

for e-mails. I like the way it groups the threads, but it's hard for

me to scroll down when there's tons of messages (they all get stacked

one on top of each other in a long, long page).

Naomi

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On 7/26/05, West <clairewest@...> wrote:

> They are great eggs. Though in addition to all that fantastic grass, they

> do get some soy in a supplemental, organic feed. (Which is another reason,

> Naomi, I still want to hear from you when you go into business.)

>

,

The chickens at http://texasgrassfedbeef.com/id53.htm are strictly

grass-fed, no grains. I wish I lived near there! It's 4.50 a dozen,

plus shipping (quite a bit), or six dozen for $27.00. I thought you

had to give chickens some grains to eat but I guess if there's enough

bugs, they will be okay?

Naomi

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On 7/28/05, Naomi Giuliano <n.giuliano@...> wrote:

> > $9 - that's not so bad. I'm *IN* NZ and it costs me $10 a dozen for

> > those very same eggs - the XL size.

>

> I wonder why there's virtually no price difference? You guys shouldn't

> be paying that much.

>

It's the exchange rate. If we ignore retail markup (assuming it to be

similar, for simplicity's sake), $NZ 10 = about $US 7. So even when

some airfreight is added, it comes out cheaper in your currency.

But it may be *comparitively* more expensive. It seems to me that your

prices for food are cheaper overall. For eg, we pay nearly $10 retail

for a 400ml jar of good quality VCO - that's about 1 1/2 cups.

> > We go through about 3 dozen a

> > week, so I'm lucky I don't have to hide them!!

>

> Three dozen a week! That stash would be hard to hide, lol.

>

> When it was cooler, my dd and I could go through almost a dozen a

> week. When I make scrambled eggs, I use three at a time, and split it

> with her, although sometimes she likes to take a big swig of the raw

> mixed eggs before I cook them.

>

> Naomi

It is cooler here, being winter, and we go through 4-5 a day between

two of us just for breakfast!

Deb

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Naomi,

<You really think Jimbo's is higher?

I guess it depends on the product, but when they started ordering the

Frenz's eggs for me, I questioned the manager as to why the price was

considerably higher than Whole Foods (even with the discount for buying a

case at a time). He explained that Jimbo's only had 3 -4 stores whereas

Whole Foods had a nationwide chain and could therefore negotiate for lower

wholesale prices. I have a small organic shop in my town which is the

highest priced when it comes to produce, Jimbo's is the medium priced, and

Whole Foods the lowest (all of it, however, being much higher than

supermarket produce). I should factor in the gas here, but I've never been

too good at math. <g>

<I don't think they have the Frenz at the La

Jolla location. I have to admit, I love the deli selection there!

It is amazing, how fresh and attractive the food looks. And what variety.

But the only thing I've ever bought there is the Manchego raw cheese which

is super-yum.

<Kind of like the one near the station in Del Mar, but I'm not going near

there until racing season is over!

Smart. <g>)

and from another post:

<The chickens at http://texasgrassfedbeef.com/id53.htm are strictly

grass-fed, no grains. I wish I lived near there! It's 4.50 a dozen,

plus shipping (quite a bit), or six dozen for $27.00. I thought you

had to give chickens some grains to eat but I guess if there's enough

bugs, they will be okay?

I actually put myself on their waiting list at one point, but never heard

from them. Then, when I called to ask about the situation, there was

something about what the woman was saying that sounded kind of off the wall.

At which point I remembered calling months before and speaking with her

husband about beef and thinking then that he sounded off-the-wall, somewhat

paronoid about competitors and their evil practices. Anyway, re: chickens.

We had them once but my ex-husband took care of them, and I'm not sure

what-all he did. The companies I've recently spoken to make it sound as if

grains in general and soy in particular are absolutely necessary, but when I

read what the farmers of grass-fed totally are saying, it seems that the

bugs are so concentrated in protein, that the chickens have all they need --

as long as they are rotated to fresh grass on a regular basis and not kept

scratching in dust.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

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On 7/27/05, Deb Gully <deb.kiwi@...> wrote:

> It is cooler here, being winter, and we go through 4-5 a day between

> two of us just for breakfast!

>

> Deb

That's right, I forgot about it being winter where you are. Is it

pretty cold? It sounds appealing to me, as it's unseasonably warm here

in soCal.

Naomi

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On 7/27/05, West <clairewest@...> wrote:

> Naomi,

>

> <You really think Jimbo's is higher?

>

> I guess it depends on the product, but when they started ordering the

> Frenz's eggs for me, I questioned the manager as to why the price was

> considerably higher than Whole Foods (even with the discount for buying a

> case at a time). He explained that Jimbo's only had 3 -4 stores whereas

> Whole Foods had a nationwide chain and could therefore negotiate for lower

> wholesale prices. I have a small organic shop in my town which is the

> highest priced when it comes to produce, Jimbo's is the medium priced, and

> Whole Foods the lowest (all of it, however, being much higher than

> supermarket produce). I should factor in the gas here, but I've never been

> too good at math. <g>

Me neither, but I get your drift! Ralphs and Vons both have a small

organic selection, so maybe in about 10 years we won't have to drive

so far! I'll be telling my kid " in the old days, you used to have to

go to a special store to get organic " LOL.

>

> <I don't think they have the Frenz at the La

> Jolla location. I have to admit, I love the deli selection there!

>

> It is amazing, how fresh and attractive the food looks. And what variety.

> But the only thing I've ever bought there is the Manchego raw cheese which

> is super-yum.

Will have to try that. They have a small selection of uncured salami

and lunch meats that I buy occasionally.

>

> and from another post:

>

> <The chickens at http://texasgrassfedbeef.com/id53.htm are strictly

> grass-fed, no grains. I wish I lived near there! It's 4.50 a dozen,

> plus shipping (quite a bit), or six dozen for $27.00. I thought you

> had to give chickens some grains to eat but I guess if there's enough

> bugs, they will be okay?

>

> I actually put myself on their waiting list at one point, but never heard

> from them. Then, when I called to ask about the situation, there was

> something about what the woman was saying that sounded kind of off the wall.

> At which point I remembered calling months before and speaking with her

> husband about beef and thinking then that he sounded off-the-wall, somewhat

> paronoid about competitors and their evil practices.

Very strange! I have to admit that I was feeling prejudiced because of

their being in Texas (hope no Texans are lurking in this conversation

<g>), but I didn't think they'd be this, um, eccentric.

> Anyway, re: chickens.

> We had them once but my ex-husband took care of them, and I'm not sure

> what-all he did.

My ex did too, and IIRC, he kept them cooped up and fed them grains.

The reason he got them is because our neighbor at the time would give

us eggs from his chicken, and we were amazed at the variation in color

in the yolk (always bright orange, with streaks of other colors).

Little did we know its because he let them run all over the yard! This

was in Leucadia, so there's tons of bugs.

> The companies I've recently spoken to make it sound as if

> grains in general and soy in particular are absolutely necessary, but when I

> read what the farmers of grass-fed totally are saying, it seems that the

> bugs are so concentrated in protein, that the chickens have all they need --

> as long as they are rotated to fresh grass on a regular basis and not kept

> scratching in dust.

That makes sense. Unfortunately, I wonder how many of the so-called

" cage free " ARE scratching in dust? Probably a lot. Also, I read

somewhere that they all clip the beaks, even the organic ones, and

that's when I started to want to get my own.

Naomi

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On 7/26/05, Lynn Siprelle <lynn@...> wrote:

> > That's too bad. I went to the City of San Diego's home page, and it

> > said you can have up to 25 fowl, but then further down the FAQ, it

> > said that if there's more than three noise complaints, you have to get

> > rid of them. I will start with three, probably, and see how it goes.

>

> Just don't get any roosters. Hens make very little noise.

>

> Lynn S.

According to the FAQ, you're supposed to keep them enclosed in a box,

so they can't extend their necks to crow! That seems pretty harsh.

Naomi

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> > It is cooler here, being winter, and we go through 4-5 a day between

> > two of us just for breakfast!

> >

> > Deb

>

> That's right, I forgot about it being winter where you are. Is it

> pretty cold? It sounds appealing to me, as it's unseasonably warm here

> in soCal.

>

> Naomi

>

I posted this about a week ago:

" Today in tropical Wellington, Noo Zealand, it is 9C (48F) on the

thermometer. But with a southerly gale, coming straight up from the

South Pole, the wind chill factor makes it *much* colder. And with the

house repairs we have going on, and not having a hall floor, and some

bits of wall missing the lining, even in the house it's only 13C

(55F). Off to get some ginger tea and turn a heater on <teeth

chattering>. "

I now have a head cold, and can't sleep, and am reading posts at 3am.

And our kitchen thermometer is showing the same temps again. Though

tonight it's bucketing down rain instead of the gale force winds. And

the temps during the day were a little warmer - like 13C outside, so

about 17C in an unheated room.

Apart from the freezing cold southerlys we get, Wellington is pretty

moderate year round as we're by the sea. Some parts of NZ are much

colder. But the Coromandel, where Jewel is, if she's around at the mo,

is probably a few degrees warmer.

I always think that if it's too cold, you can always put some extra

clothes on, or a heater, but if it's too hot, all I can do is lie

about whining about how hot it is!

Deb

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On 7/28/05, Deb Gully <deb.kiwi@...> wrote:

> I posted this about a week ago:

> " Today in tropical Wellington, Noo Zealand, it is 9C (48F) on the

> thermometer. But with a southerly gale, coming straight up from the

> South Pole, the wind chill factor makes it *much* colder. And with the

> house repairs we have going on, and not having a hall floor, and some

> bits of wall missing the lining, even in the house it's only 13C

> (55F). Off to get some ginger tea and turn a heater on <teeth

> chattering>. "

>

> I now have a head cold, and can't sleep, and am reading posts at 3am.

> And our kitchen thermometer is showing the same temps again. Though

> tonight it's bucketing down rain instead of the gale force winds. And

> the temps during the day were a little warmer - like 13C outside, so

> about 17C in an unheated room.

>

> Apart from the freezing cold southerlys we get, Wellington is pretty

> moderate year round as we're by the sea. Some parts of NZ are much

> colder. But the Coromandel, where Jewel is, if she's around at the mo,

> is probably a few degrees warmer.

I'm sorry to hear that you have to have house repairs while it's so

cold! And to not feel well on top of that, it must be miserable.

You know what I enjoy in the winter? Chicken broth with some beaten

eggs swirled into it. It's in NT, but I can't remember what it's

called. You add grated Parmesan, and I add red pepper before I drink

it piping hot. Mmmm! Won't be having THAT for a while.

>

> I always think that if it's too cold, you can always put some extra

> clothes on, or a heater, but if it's too hot, all I can do is lie

> about whining about how hot it is!

Yes, IKWYM. I love sleeping with my down comforter, and have

stubbornly left it on the bed in case it gets below 75¢ªF (about 24C

for you) and I can put it on one of my legs for a few minutes.

Naomi