Re: All new to me!

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>> The owner of

a health food store said he and another friend of his both suffered

from gall bladder problems due to the oil.

What do you make of this?

<<

Lynda, as a former gall bladder sufferer who no longer has a gall bladder (and

this was long ago before my current low carb high fat NT days), this is my take

on it.

Eating fat causes the gall bladder to release bile. It contracts to do this.This

is normal and just what you want it to do.

The problem is, if your gall bladder is diseased, and especially if it's full of

stones, this can hurt on its own, and even worse, it can potentially cause one

or more of those stones to be expelled, causing EXCRUCIATING pain.

Now, you can say that the dietary fat " caused " the gall bladder attack, and in

the most literal, short term sense, it did. But without underlying disease, the

dietary fat wouldn't do diddly to harm your gall bladder. It doesn't cause

stones, it doesn't cause pain, it doesn't harm or damage the gall bladder.

I believe that the healthy traditional diets that Dr. Price wrote about will

help prevent the development of gall bladder disease in the first place. I don't

have any specific information coconut oil but I can't see why it would have any

adverse effect on the gall bladder beyond the spasming issue that it shares with

all fat.

And that's my .02.

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

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>

> The problem is, if your gall bladder is diseased, and especially

if it's full of stones, this can hurt on its own, and even worse, it

can potentially cause one or more of those stones to be expelled,

causing EXCRUCIATING pain.

>

>

So the coconut oil acts as a " fat flush " , that modern medicine

would interpret as a negative event?

I've recently bought Eat Fat Lose Fat by the same authors as N.T.

They recommend eating 1/2 Tbls of coconut oil per every 50# of body

weight, 20 minutes before each meal, which leaves me no appetite at

all. I Know it is supposed to help me feel satiated, but I'm not

interested in any other food. I've backed Down from the recommended

dosage since I was just down to consuming only warm raw milk and

coconut oil with stevia. Only for about a week. Any advice?

Thanks,

Lynda

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Lynda -

Quite a bit of this is all new to me too and I'm starting to think I have more

questions than there are answers! I have also recently gotten the EFLF book

and am planning to go on the Health Recovery diet in November. Which plan are

you doing?

Lynda <lstauchus@...> wrote:

>

> The problem is, if your gall bladder is diseased, and especially

if it's full of stones, this can hurt on its own, and even worse, it

can potentially cause one or more of those stones to be expelled,

causing EXCRUCIATING pain.

>

>

So the coconut oil acts as a " fat flush " , that modern medicine

would interpret as a negative event?

I've recently bought Eat Fat Lose Fat by the same authors as N.T.

They recommend eating 1/2 Tbls of coconut oil per every 50# of body

weight, 20 minutes before each meal, which leaves me no appetite at

all. I Know it is supposed to help me feel satiated, but I'm not

interested in any other food. I've backed Down from the recommended

dosage since I was just down to consuming only warm raw milk and

coconut oil with stevia. Only for about a week. Any advice?

Thanks,

Lynda

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> So the coconut oil acts as a " fat flush " , that modern medicine

would interpret as a negative event?

You will get conflicting opinions on this from others on this list, but my

belief is that " flushing " a gall bladder of its stones is extremely dangerous

and unwise. So I, too, interpret it as a negative event.

As to how you are doing eating that much coconut oil, perhaps your body has not

read the book that you read <G>. I would never continue to eat something that

didn't agree with me just because a book recommended it.

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

http://www.caberfeidh.com/

http://www.doggedblog.com/

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Hi Christie,

>

> You will get conflicting opinions on this from others on this

list, but my belief is that " flushing " a gall bladder of its stones

is extremely dangerous and unwise. So I, too, interpret it as a

negative event.

It was not my intention to do a " flush " , I just want to rev up my

motablolism while ensuring my interal flora is in good order.I'm

looking to reap all the benefits, but avoid overconsumption. I have

no known issues with my gall bladder to date, who would know until

it's too late?

> I would never continue to eat something that didn't agree with me

just because a book recommended it.

I am in agreement, which is what promted me to ask other's who

might be more experienced about this. While I don't think my body is

rejecting it, I suppose it would need some time to acclimate. In

forty years, my body hasn't seen so much fat at once. I have

successfully taken three- 1/2 tablespoons per day, vs. the four and

a half TBSP's per day, reccommended by the diet from Enig and

Sally Fallon. That is in addition to using it after a shower as a

moisturizer.

>

> Christie

> Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

> Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

> http://www.caberfeidh.com/

> http://www.doggedblog.com/

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I am all for the healthier choices, presented in the EFLF recipe

plans. My problem is the rest of my family! I have a meat and potato

husband and a fussy 8 year old. I sneak a little coconut oil into their

foods, as more of an immune boosting strategy. But overall, I'm not a

gourmet chef, nor do they have gourmet taste. So to answer your

question, I haven't even started, really. I bought most of the

neccesities, but when it came to making the exact foods, I can't see

how I can whip up a meal like that, and simultaneously make Mac n

cheese, with a side of burgers for my husband...

I'm assuming this has been successful for you, since you are moving on

to Maintenence? What is your opinion of the EFLF, and how long have you

been on it? Do you experience any problems with the coconut oil intake?

or any other aspect?

Lynda

> Lynda -

>

> Quite a bit of this is all new to me too and I'm starting to think I

have more questions than there are answers! I have also recently

gotten the EFLF book and am planning to go on the Health Recovery diet

in November. Which plan are you doing?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lynda-

>I can't see

>how I can whip up a meal like that, and simultaneously make Mac n

>cheese, with a side of burgers for my husband...

There's nothing wrong with burgers if the meat is good and you avoid the

bun, but why not try to make a healthier imitation Mac 'n' cheese with

something like cauliflower in place of the macaroni? Granted, it's still

not going to be an ideal food, but it'll be far better than the alternative.

Here's a recipe I haven't

tried.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_29338,00.html

It needs a little adjustment (replace the vegetable oil spray with butter,

replace the kosher salt with sea salt, ideally replace the cream cheese

with dripped yoghurt) but otherwise it's workable, and I've made some of

his other recipes, and they're very, very tasty, so I'm betting this one is

enjoyable too, especially since it's been rated 5 stars on the site by users.

You can also make great mock mashed potatoes with either cauliflower or

celeriac -- or a mixture of both.

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Hi ,

Thanks for the cauliflower recipe! I'll try it, but I'm sceptical.

My girl has a " mouth feel " issue, that has brought her to eating

nearly all pasta. Doesn't like potato/applesauce textures. I

struggle constantly, trying to wean her off sugars, as I think she's

addicted to them. I'VE been eating according to the N.T. book for

about six months only, so I've slowly been cutting her back on

sweets and breads to acclimate her to new tastes. She has never

cared for milk, and as a youngster, she had a preference of

the " BRAND " of skim milk we used to drink. I REALLY want her to

accept whole, raw milk, to the point I'm trying to make icecream and

warm coco, just to get it into her body. She has accepted raw honey

latly. She likes cheese, and I just recently found a good source of

raw cheese in my area. Any other ideas on how to sneak good

nutrition into kids?

>

Thanks so much,

Lynda from Michigan

>

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On 10/13/05, Christie <christiekeith@...> wrote:

> I don't have any specific information coconut oil but I can't >see why it

would have any adverse effect on the gall >bladder beyond the spasming issue

that it shares with all >fat.

It doesn't quite share it with all fat, because the MCTs don't require

bile for their digestion. So, coconut oil would be better than the

other fats in this respect.

Chris

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Lynda-

>Any other ideas on how to sneak good

>nutrition into kids?

Nothing much specific, I'm afraid. You could try making waffles or

pancakes with almond flour and other good ingredients and topping them with

something like raw whipped cream instead of syrup, or lots of raw

butter... And making healthy imitation comfort foods can be helpful, like

cauliflower mac 'n' cheese. I guess it's like changing a cat's diet -- do

it gradually, and just incorporate more and more good foods into the menu.

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