Re: Tom Brown (was - Omega Fatty Acids and Uridine Improve Mood)

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Great stuff, that! My favorite of his books is Tom Brown's Field

Guide to Living with the Earth. But it's all good... granted, some of

the later Stalking Wolf stuff starts to sound like a cross between

Jesus and Superman! LOL... But with all respect, he does seem to know

his stuff where outdoor/survival living is concerned. There are some

that quibble with some of his techniques, but usually I think that

can be attributed to either sour grapes or what I'd call

" professional jealousy " -- they're also outdoor skills instructors

who obviously want people to come to their classes instead of his!

;-)

Tom

(who has recently added traditional bowmaking and brain-tanning of

deerhide to his suite of skills... albeit on a very beginner level!)

At 7:58 PM -0500 4/19/05, Deanna wrote:

> >Hey Deanna,

>>

>>See you're reading Tom Brown. Could be the tannins in the walnuts. They're

>>in the paperlike covering between shell and nut. Less with English, more

>>with black walnuts. Have been making quick breads with 1/2 walnut 1/2

>>hazelnut flour from Trader Joe's. Flour and baking might get by the canker

>>sores.

>>

>>Wanita

>>

>Wanita,

>

>I will try soaking and stuff with walnuts. Good tip.

>

>Tom Brown rocks! We are all avid archers now and have three of his

>books. Reading his story first ... well, ds is reading ALL books at

>once, lol. He was out tracking sugar ants and collecting to eat. I

>asked how such little things would be worth it. He says TB writes that

>a handful is as nutritious as 1 lb. of beef (or something like that,

>don't quote me). Living out with the land more feels good. Earth day

>all week from henceforth, no power, save well and frig. Really watching

>animals move and live. I guess it's easy in spring, especially birds.

>We need to be out at night soon and watch nocturnal animals. Had a

>possum come round now that we raise chickens. Learning to live, living

>to learn. Ya know?

>

>Deanna

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[Guest guest]

>Great stuff, that! My favorite of his books is Tom Brown's Field

>Guide to Living with the Earth. But it's all good... granted, some of

>the later Stalking Wolf stuff starts to sound like a cross between

>Jesus and Superman! LOL... But with all respect, he does seem to know

>his stuff where outdoor/survival living is concerned. There are some

>that quibble with some of his techniques, but usually I think that

>can be attributed to either sour grapes or what I'd call

> " professional jealousy " -- they're also outdoor skills instructors

>who obviously want people to come to their classes instead of his!

>;-)

>

>Tom

>

>(who has recently added traditional bowmaking and brain-tanning of

>deerhide to his suite of skills... albeit on a very beginner level!)

>

>

Coolamundo dude! I am a wimp. The Hoyt Sierratec compound bow is

coming home with me soon. I won't shoot anything but predators in the

coop until I have read the TB books in possession. But there are SO

MANY skills to learn and so little time left to life (or so it seems

when I start to *see* all I am missing). Thank you ever so much for the

recommendation. I will tell young book worm that IT is our next

acquisition.

What is brain-tanning of deer hide, btw?

Deanna

on the frontier

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>>Tom

>>

>>(who has recently added traditional bowmaking and brain-tanning of

>>deerhide to his suite of skills... albeit on a very beginner level!)

>>

>>

>What is brain-tanning of deer hide, btw?

>

>Deanna

>on the frontier

>

Yeah, I'm on the frontier of knowledge. DS says in answer to my

question, " A deer has enough brains to tan his hide. " Whatever that

means, he'll spew to me over the course of tomorrow, lol. All I can say

is, " Thank God he'll be hunting with me and can continue to teach me all

these survival skills, a la Tom Brown. "

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>>>Tom

>>>

>>>(who has recently added traditional bowmaking and brain-tanning of

>>>deerhide to his suite of skills... albeit on a very beginner level!)

>>>

>>>

>>What is brain-tanning of deer hide, btw?

>>

>>Deanna

>>on the frontier

>>

> Yeah, I'm on the frontier of knowledge. DS says in answer to my

> question, " A deer has enough brains to tan his hide. " Whatever that

> means, he'll spew to me over the course of tomorrow, lol. All I can say

> is, " Thank God he'll be hunting with me and can continue to teach me all

> these survival skills, a la Tom Brown. "

>

>

> Deanna

Deanna,

A squirrel, rabbit, elk or any other mammal with a fur hide has a brain

proportionate in size to the amount needed for a human to tan it's hide. The

relationship of brain to hide to human use and need for survival, was likely

one of those insights you quoted from Tom, that changed how Tom saw the

world.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

>>Great stuff, that! My favorite of his books is Tom Brown's Field

>>Guide to Living with the Earth. But it's all good... granted, some of

>>the later Stalking Wolf stuff starts to sound like a cross between

>>Jesus and Superman! LOL... But with all respect, he does seem to know

>>his stuff where outdoor/survival living is concerned. There are some

>>that quibble with some of his techniques, but usually I think that

>>can be attributed to either sour grapes or what I'd call

>> " professional jealousy " -- they're also outdoor skills instructors

>>who obviously want people to come to their classes instead of his!

>>;-)

>>

>>Tom

Tom,

Have seen it said that Stalking Wolf was made up by Tom. SW's grandson,

Tom's best friend who's name I can't remember says so and that Tom's friend

is not dead as he wrote in his book. Wasn't a direct from Tom's friend

statement.

Wheather it's competition or downright cruelty from others there is way too

much authentic and true to Native American way to live in Tom Brown's books.

No boy with their wildest imagination, primal instinct or knowledge from

anything other than being taught by a real person could be so accurate and

perceptive.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

>>Tom Brown rocks! We are all avid archers now and have three of his

>>books. Reading his story first ... well, ds is reading ALL books at

>>once, lol. He was out tracking sugar ants and collecting to eat. I

>>asked how such little things would be worth it. He says TB writes that

>>a handful is as nutritious as 1 lb. of beef (or something like that,

>>don't quote me). Living out with the land more feels good. Earth day

>>all week from henceforth, no power, save well and frig. Really watching

>>animals move and live. I guess it's easy in spring, especially birds.

>>We need to be out at night soon and watch nocturnal animals. Had a

>>possum come round now that we raise chickens. Learning to live, living

>>to learn. Ya know?

>>

>>Deanna

Deanna,

Spring finally here in New England. Been 80 last 2 days with thunderstorms

coming in now. Mud season over, ducks, geese, 5 beavers, in pond. Peepers

and frogs at night. Dog just came in all wet with what we think is a beaver

bite on her face. Daddy or momma beaver finally had it with her swimming

after them.

Where we lived before this we had to set out a haveheart trap for garden

predators because of town laws. Thought it was a woodchuck. Turned out to be

an opposum. Man, are they unpleasant to look at. Got relocated to less

populated area quickly. Know I've told this story here before. DH when he

was young out hunting, came upon what looked like a whole dead deer with

it's stomach moving. He poked at the stomach and at least 6 possums exited

out the deer's rear end, the same way they got in.

All I know is there aren't many dull moments when you learn how to live and

learn for the self.

Wanita

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> Re: Tom Brown (was - Omega Fatty Acids and Uridine Improve

>Mood)

>

>

>

>

>>>Tom

>>>

>>>(who has recently added traditional bowmaking and brain-tanning of

>>>deerhide to his suite of skills... albeit on a very beginner level!)

>>>

>>>

>>What is brain-tanning of deer hide, btw?

>>

>>Deanna

>>on the frontier

>>

>Yeah, I'm on the frontier of knowledge. DS says in answer to my

>question, " A deer has enough brains to tan his hide. " Whatever that

>means, he'll spew to me over the course of tomorrow, lol. All I can say

>is, " Thank God he'll be hunting with me and can continue to teach me all

>these survival skills, a la Tom Brown. "

That is true about deer brains. Each deer has just enough brains to tan it's

own hide. I learned this from y brother who has done brain tanning before.

In fact, for several years he operated a school for wilderness survival

skills just like Tom Brown's: http://www.beartraks.com/ He learned many of

his skills from Tom Brown, but also many from a native american elder who

was a great mentor for him. I took his basic wilderness survival class, but

alas could not make fire with rubbing sticks together as some of the other

students could :-( Nor could I track an elephant if it were a few feet away.

LOL

Suze Fisher

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At 7:48 PM -0400 4/20/05, Suze Fisher wrote:

> >Yeah, I'm on the frontier of knowledge. DS says in answer to my

>>question, " A deer has enough brains to tan his hide. " Whatever that

>>means, he'll spew to me over the course of tomorrow, lol. All I can say

>>is, " Thank God he'll be hunting with me and can continue to teach me all

>>these survival skills, a la Tom Brown. "

>

>That is true about deer brains. Each deer has just enough brains to tan it's

>own hide.

That can be said about humans, too, but not in quite the same way... ;-)

Brain-tanning is not for the squeamish (the texture of

freshly-brainned hide is something which can't be described, only

experienced), but it yields a wondrously soft product. At least the

parts which have been completely scraped! I left a little epidermis

on parts of mine, and those parts are still noticeably less soft, and

more scratchy. Oh, well! Live and learn...

>I learned this from y brother who has done brain tanning before.

>In fact, for several years he operated a school for wilderness survival

>skills just like Tom Brown's:

><http://www.beartraks.com/>http://www.beartraks.com/ He learned many

>of

>his skills from Tom Brown, but also many from a native american elder who

>was a great mentor for him. I took his basic wilderness survival class, but

>alas could not make fire with rubbing sticks together as some of the other

>students could :-(

LOL... depends on how the sticks are configured, Suze! ;-) But if

you were at Beartraks, I'm sure you know that. He's your brother?

Cool! I've been to the website on several occasions in the past, and

it looks very interesting. Alas, I can't afford anybody's classes at

the moment (except Kirk's, but he does his through Oregon Ridge

Nature Center in Baltimore County and charges $30 for bowmaking and

braintanning, which is a positive steal!), but maybe one of these

days.

And if it's any consolation, even with a very well-made bow-drill

firestarting set, given to me by a more knowledgeable friend, it took

me almost three years to get my first real coal. Smoke I could get in

abundance, but a coal eluded me. Now mind you, that wasn't three

years of practice every day! It probably would have only taken

somewhere between three weeks and three months if I had kept at it

religiously... ;-)

>Nor could I track an elephant if it were a few feet away.

>LOL

I'd say " oh, c'mon now, " if I hadn't heard stories from India on how

amazingly quiet forest elephants can be if they're really trying to.

We humans are usually the loud, clumsy ones of the animal world!

Tom

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Wanita,

>Know I've told this story here before. DH when he

>was young out hunting, came upon what looked like a whole dead deer with

>it's stomach moving. He poked at the stomach and at least 6 possums exited

>out the deer's rear end, the same way they got in.

>

>All I know is there aren't many dull moments when you learn how to live and

>learn for the self.

>

LOL, glad you retold, I had missed that the first time around. This is

one very unusual butt post indeed! Possums are ugly enough without

visualizing them marching out a dead deer's anus!

Deanna

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I've taken three of Tom's classes, not even the advanced ones, and I know he is

the real deal. I've seen him perform miraclous feats of tracking, such as we're

standing out on a forest trail chatting for several minutes and he says " check

this out " and bends down right where we've been standing, digs away 2 inches of

dried, compressed pine needles from the ground and reveals a perfectly imprinted

fox track in the dirt. " It's magic! " he says with a grin.

He also did one where he had someone walk about 50 yards out into a field that

he had not been into previously and direct that person ( " stop, left 2 ft, bend

down, put hand on ground, 3 inches right, 2 inches back " kind of thing) and then

say, " Male coyote, this morning. " We all go over and there's the track.

Wanita Sears <wanitawa@...> wrote:

>>Great stuff, that! My favorite of his books is Tom Brown's Field

>>Guide to Living with the Earth. But it's all good... granted, some of

>>the later Stalking Wolf stuff starts to sound like a cross between

>>Jesus and Superman! LOL... But with all respect, he does seem to know

>>his stuff where outdoor/survival living is concerned. There are some

>>that quibble with some of his techniques, but usually I think that

>>can be attributed to either sour grapes or what I'd call

>> " professional jealousy " -- they're also outdoor skills instructors

>>who obviously want people to come to their classes instead of his!

>>;-)

>>

>>Tom

Tom,

Have seen it said that Stalking Wolf was made up by Tom. SW's grandson,

Tom's best friend who's name I can't remember says so and that Tom's friend

is not dead as he wrote in his book. Wasn't a direct from Tom's friend

statement.

Wheather it's competition or downright cruelty from others there is way too

much authentic and true to Native American way to live in Tom Brown's books.

No boy with their wildest imagination, primal instinct or knowledge from

anything other than being taught by a real person could be so accurate and

perceptive.

Wanita

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JASON,

>I've taken three of Tom's classes, not even the advanced ones, and I know he is

the real deal. I've seen him perform miraclous feats of tracking, such as we're

standing out on a forest trail chatting for several minutes and he says " check

this out " and bends down right where we've been standing, digs away 2 inches of

dried, compressed pine needles from the ground and reveals a perfectly imprinted

fox track in the dirt. " It's magic! " he says with a grin.

>

>He also did one where he had someone walk about 50 yards out into a field that

he had not been into previously and direct that person ( " stop, left 2 ft, bend

down, put hand on ground, 3 inches right, 2 inches back " kind of thing) and then

say, " Male coyote, this morning. " We all go over and there's the track.

>

Thanks so much for sharing this timely story. Amazing stuff. We are

embarking on 3+ days of 'native living' without power (save leaving the

frig on and checking email once a day so I don't get swamped later). We

are learning some skills from his books, and someday we will learn

directly from him (hopefully having some things accomplished beforehand).

Deanna