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>Do any of you have any thoughts on the shelf life of raw milk kefir? I

>normally consume whatever I make within about a week but I have a batch that

>has been sitting in the fridge almost three weeks now. The taste is

>stronger than before but it still seems to be okay.

>

>I think I recall reading somewhere that the bacterial shifts over time are

>not so favorable? Am I mis-remembering?

Dom has kept his for weeks and weeks at room temp. It DOES change,

and it will taste very different, but whether it tastes good or bad is

probably personal. Like ripe cheese. No reports on it getting toxic though.

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> Dom has kept his for weeks and weeks at room temp. It DOES change,

> and it will taste very different, but whether it tastes good or bad is

> probably personal. Like ripe cheese. No reports on it getting

> toxic though.

>

I'm drinking some now based on your recommendation. If I stop posting

you'll know what happened. LOL

As I said this somewhere before -- I just can't believe that I like this

stuff. The stronger and funkier the kefirs get the better I like them. And

it was pretty true from the first batch that I made about 6 months ago.

From an antibacterial life to eating them in quantity in one fell swoop....

Ron

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> Ron:

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>>I'm drinking some now based on your recommendation. If I stop posting

>>you'll know what happened. LOL

I found a jar in the back of my fridge that was about 8 months old. I gave

it a good shake and drank it. Quite delicious. For what its worth, I have

never heard of kefir " going bad " .

Terry

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[Ron] Do any of you have any thoughts on the shelf life of raw milk kefir? I

normally consume whatever I make within about a week but I have a batch that

has been sitting in the fridge almost three weeks now. The taste is

stronger than before but it still seems to be okay.

I think I recall reading somewhere that the bacterial shifts over time are

not so favorable? Am I mis-remembering?

[MAP] On Dom's site he reports leaving a jar of kefir in the fridge for one

year and finding it quite good, just a bit strong. On theoretical grounds,

it's fair to assume that kefir never goes bad in the fridge. In my own

experience, I've let kefir age for over a month on a number of occasions and

always enjoyed it. I really like the variations in flavor you get from

secondary fermentation with kefir. Some batches of kefir I think of as

liquid cheese, the flavor is so rich. I typically let it sit for a few days

in the fridge. As far as shifts in bacteria, I imagine most of the bacteria

would die off after a few weeks, but that or any shifts seem pretty

irrelevant because it's the lactic acid that acts as a preservative and

keeps it safe, and the lactic acid probably lasts for years. If you leave

kefir at room temp for a few months, it would basically just become milk

vinegar of sorts and still be safe, but just too sour too drink.

Mike

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> [MAP] On Dom's site he reports leaving a jar of kefir in the

> fridge for one

> year and finding it quite good, just a bit strong. On

> theoretical grounds,

> it's fair to assume that kefir never goes bad in the fridge.

> In my own

> experience, I've let kefir age for over a month on a number

> of occasions and

> always enjoyed it. I really like the variations in flavor you

> get from

> secondary fermentation with kefir.

[Ron] Yes, I'm discovering that I like the various flavors also. Just this

week I used some new kefir grains that I got to ferment some goats milk. It

created another very different tasting batch than what I had been getting

with my original grains. Good stuff.

> [MAP] As far as shifts in bacteria, I imagine most

> of the bacteria

> would die off after a few weeks, but that or any shifts seem pretty

> irrelevant because it's the lactic acid that acts as a

> preservative and

> keeps it safe, and the lactic acid probably lasts for years.

[Ron] Now this is interesting to me. That would mean that the kefir is no

longer giving probiotic effect after a certain length of time? You are just

getting the added nutritional value from the ferment but the dead bacteria

are not helping with gut ecology?

Ron

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