Re: Anyone Made Hop Tea? / prolactin

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Whoah!!

>As for cancer ... when I was eating gluten I was at a super-high

>cancer risk, because gluten intolerant folks often secrete too

>much prolactin, which is a potent hormone that way. And because

>the gluten intolerance wipes out the immune system so it can't

>fight cancer.

I have a high prolactin count and should be taking drugs to lower it.

Basically the reason for the drugs was to " sort out my cycle " but as I

ovulated anyway, I figured it was not something I wanted to be doing

(taking the drugs). So I stopped.... but there is a relationship

between prolactin and cancer? If you have any pointers to this, that

would be great. And there is a relationship between gluten intolerance

and prolactin?

I know I've an issue when I have too much bread/bakery stuff, symptoms

being heartburn, bloatedness, poor digestion as well as mood swings, but

if I limit it I feel fine. It looks like (a) I should get myself tested

for gluten intolerance/wheat intolerance and ( should lower these

prolactin levels rather than ignoring them... My mother and her sister

both died young of cancer (and both always struggled with their weight)

so that should motivate me to try harder.

Helen

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[Helen] I know I've an issue when I have too much bread/bakery stuff, symptoms

being heartburn, bloatedness, poor digestion as well as mood swings, but

if I limit it I feel fine. It looks like (a) I should get myself tested

for gluten intolerance/wheat intolerance and ( should lower these

prolactin levels rather than ignoring them... My mother and her sister

both died young of cancer (and both always struggled with their weight)

so that should motivate me to try harder.

[MAP] Hi Helen, choose your last ever conventional baked good wisely

and enjoy! :-) Alternatively, go for something crappy so you'll have

a memory resource of aesthetic negativity to help forestall cravings!

Don't think that because you're all the way over in the UK and she's

on the US West Coast that you're safe from The Glutenator!

Superheroes never reveal all their superpowers!

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay

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Helen:

>I have a high prolactin count and should be taking drugs to lower it.

>Basically the reason for the drugs was to " sort out my cycle " but as I

>ovulated anyway, I figured it was not something I wanted to be doing

>(taking the drugs). So I stopped.... but there is a relationship

>between prolactin and cancer?

Absolutely. Esp breast cancer. Try Googling on " cancer prolactin " .

> If you have any pointers to this, that

>would be great. And there is a relationship between gluten intolerance

>and prolactin?

Yes. Kids with gluten intolerance have high prolactin levels. I don't

think anyone knows the exact connection, but gluten intolerance messes

up all the hormones and organs (how's that for scientific accuracy? There

is a lot in the way of specific studies, but the general gist is:

everything gets messed up). Maybe due to the opioid thing (see second link).

Folks with gluten intolerance have a leaky gut/blood and blood/brain

barrier and get opioids on the brain too.

In the study below, kids had a prolactin level 5 TIMES the average if they

were celiac. Now mind you, many of the " controls " were

probably gluten intolerant too (the bar they set for " gluten intolerance "

is probably too high: they don't count it as " celiac " until you are really bad

off. 1 in 100 folks test as " celiac " but probably 1 in 10 or more are gluten

intolerant). So the true prolactin levels for kids should probably be lower ...

http://www.celiac.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=953

Celiac.com 03/30/2004 – Researchers in India have discovered that serum

prolactin levels in those with celiac disease are elevated in direct proportion

to the severity of the disease. Dr. Gaurav Kapur and colleagues from the Lady

Hardinge Medical College, New Delhi screened serum prolactin levels in 41

children who were diagnosed with celiac disease, 21 of which were on a

gluten-free diet for more than a year. The results were compared to 41 healthy

controls. The researchers found that serum prolactin levels were highly elevated

in those with active celiac disease (average of 48.3 ng/mL), and present at

lower levels in those on a gluten-free diet (average of 18.3 ng/mL). The healthy

controls had an average level of 9.3 ng/mL. The longer the disease was left

untreated along with the increase in severity of villous atrophy, the higher the

levels of serum prolactin that were detected.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\

2231399 & dopt=Abstract

Although it has long been known that opioid peptides cause marked changes of

pituitary hormone secretion in both animals and humans, little is known about

the possible effect(s) of food-derived opioids (exorphins) on pituitary

function. In order to investigate the possible role of exorphins derived from

wheat gluten on pituitary function, we gave the following treatments to four

groups of male rats: intracerebroventricular (ICV) vehicle, Gluten Exorphin B5

(GE-B5) 200 microg ICV, naloxone intraperitoneally (IP) followed by vehicle ICV,

naloxone IP followed by GE-B5 ICV. Blood samples for Prolactin (PRL) and Growth

Hormone (GH) were taken at intervals for 90 minutes after vehicle or GE-B5

administration. GE-B5 strongly stimulated PRL secretion; its effect was

completely abolished by naloxone administration. GH secretion was unaffected by

GE-B5 under these experimental conditions. The present study shows for the first

time that an opioid peptide derived from wheat gluten, GE-B5, has an effect on

pituitary function when administered ICV; its mechanism of action appears to be

mediated via classical opioid receptors.

>I know I've an issue when I have too much bread/bakery stuff, symptoms

>being heartburn, bloatedness, poor digestion as well as mood swings, but

>if I limit it I feel fine. It looks like (a) I should get myself tested

>for gluten intolerance/wheat intolerance and ( should lower these

>prolactin levels rather than ignoring them... My mother and her sister

>both died young of cancer (and both always struggled with their weight)

>so that should motivate me to try harder.

Yep. If you are gluten intolerant and eat wheat, your risk of *death*

is about double the rest of the population each year. It's the

number one thing you can do for your health ... get tested!

No one dies of " gluten intolerance " though ... they mainly

die of cancer and heart disease and suicide, but gluten intolerant folks

get those more, a lot more.

The weight thing is interesting. When our family went gluten

free, everyone got skinnier (even though my dh and dd are

not dieting in any sense and do eat a fair bit of junk). That

has been a common side effect for a lot of people. But the

extra fat itself changes hormone levels and increases the

amount of inflammatories in the blood, so it's a vicious

cycle.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>[MAP] Hi Helen, choose your last ever conventional baked good wisely

>and enjoy! :-) Alternatively, go for something crappy so you'll have

>a memory resource of aesthetic negativity to help forestall cravings!

[GLUTENATOR] I wouldn't worry about cravings ... most people

who go GF have enough adverse reactions in the first year

that they have nightmares about accidentally ingesting it.

There was a neat thread once with people comparing nightmares.

My recurring one is that I get some cookies at the store thinking

they are the " safe " GF ones and eating them, then looking

at the package in horror. It's kinda like living in a world where

people slip LSD into your food on a regular basis: paranoia

inducing!

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Hmmm...in my house those nightmares are about corn and artificial sweetners!

Catz

>

> [GLUTENATOR] I wouldn't worry about cravings ... most people

> who go GF have enough adverse reactions in the first year

> that they have nightmares about accidentally ingesting it.

> There was a neat thread once with people comparing nightmares.

> My recurring one is that I get some cookies at the store thinking

> they are the " safe " GF ones and eating them, then looking

> at the package in horror. It's kinda like living in a world where

> people slip LSD into your food on a regular basis: paranoia

> inducing!

>

>

> Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Hi Heidi,

Thanks so much for the abstracts - really information. (Sorry to top-post but

can't cope with these vertical line things.)

It's amazing that I never saw a connection mentioned when I was reading up about

the prolactin thing. They just say that 1/3 of the time, no known cause is

found and this is the group I fell into.

In the light of this (seeing as I'm *still* trying to get pregnant) and in the

light of the relationship with cancer - thanks so much for that - I am NOW from

this point onwards going wheat-free and will now chuck away all my wheaty foods.

-------

Yep. If you are gluten intolerant and eat wheat, your risk of *death*

is about double the rest of the population each year. It's the

number one thing you can do for your health ... get tested!

-----

Right. I'll get a gluten-intolerance test done too - can you find ones that

tell you how intolerant you are?

Thanks so much - it's really made a difference.

Helen

Re: Anyone Made Hop Tea? / prolactin

Helen:

>I have a high prolactin count and should be taking drugs to lower it.

>Basically the reason for the drugs was to " sort out my cycle " but as I

>ovulated anyway, I figured it was not something I wanted to be doing

>(taking the drugs). So I stopped.... but there is a relationship

>between prolactin and cancer?

Absolutely. Esp breast cancer. Try Googling on " cancer prolactin " .

> If you have any pointers to this, that

>would be great. And there is a relationship between gluten intolerance

>and prolactin?

Yes. Kids with gluten intolerance have high prolactin levels. I don't

think anyone knows the exact connection, but gluten intolerance messes

up all the hormones and organs (how's that for scientific accuracy? There

is a lot in the way of specific studies, but the general gist is:

everything gets messed up). Maybe due to the opioid thing (see second link).

Folks with gluten intolerance have a leaky gut/blood and blood/brain

barrier and get opioids on the brain too.

In the study below, kids had a prolactin level 5 TIMES the average if they

were celiac. Now mind you, many of the " controls " were

probably gluten intolerant too (the bar they set for " gluten intolerance "

is probably too high: they don't count it as " celiac " until you are really bad

off. 1 in 100 folks test as " celiac " but probably 1 in 10 or more are gluten

intolerant). So the true prolactin levels for kids should probably be lower

....

http://www.celiac.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=953

Celiac.com 03/30/2004 - Researchers in India have discovered that serum

prolactin levels in those with celiac disease are elevated in direct proportion

to the severity of the disease. Dr. Gaurav Kapur and colleagues from the Lady

Hardinge Medical College, New Delhi screened serum prolactin levels in 41

children who were diagnosed with celiac disease, 21 of which were on a

gluten-free diet for more than a year. The results were compared to 41 healthy

controls. The researchers found that serum prolactin levels were highly elevated

in those with active celiac disease (average of 48.3 ng/mL), and present at

lower levels in those on a gluten-free diet (average of 18.3 ng/mL). The healthy

controls had an average level of 9.3 ng/mL. The longer the disease was left

untreated along with the increase in severity of villous atrophy, the higher the

levels of serum prolactin that were detected.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\

2231399 & dopt=Abstract

Although it has long been known that opioid peptides cause marked changes of

pituitary hormone secretion in both animals and humans, little is known about

the possible effect(s) of food-derived opioids (exorphins) on pituitary

function. In order to investigate the possible role of exorphins derived from

wheat gluten on pituitary function, we gave the following treatments to four

groups of male rats: intracerebroventricular (ICV) vehicle, Gluten Exorphin B5

(GE-B5) 200 microg ICV, naloxone intraperitoneally (IP) followed by vehicle ICV,

naloxone IP followed by GE-B5 ICV. Blood samples for Prolactin (PRL) and Growth

Hormone (GH) were taken at intervals for 90 minutes after vehicle or GE-B5

administration. GE-B5 strongly stimulated PRL secretion; its effect was

completely abolished by naloxone administration. GH secretion was unaffected by

GE-B5 under these experimental conditions. The present study shows for the first

time that an opioid peptide derived from wheat gluten, GE-B5, has an effect on

pituitary function when administered ICV; its mechanism of action appears to be

mediated via classical opioid receptors.

>I know I've an issue when I have too much bread/bakery stuff, symptoms

>being heartburn, bloatedness, poor digestion as well as mood swings, but

>if I limit it I feel fine. It looks like (a) I should get myself tested

>for gluten intolerance/wheat intolerance and ( should lower these

>prolactin levels rather than ignoring them... My mother and her sister

>both died young of cancer (and both always struggled with their weight)

>so that should motivate me to try harder.

Yep. If you are gluten intolerant and eat wheat, your risk of *death*

is about double the rest of the population each year. It's the

number one thing you can do for your health ... get tested!

No one dies of " gluten intolerance " though ... they mainly

die of cancer and heart disease and suicide, but gluten intolerant folks

get those more, a lot more.

The weight thing is interesting. When our family went gluten

free, everyone got skinnier (even though my dh and dd are

not dieting in any sense and do eat a fair bit of junk). That

has been a common side effect for a lot of people. But the

extra fat itself changes hormone levels and increases the

amount of inflammatories in the blood, so it's a vicious

cycle.

Heidi Jean

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[MAP] Hi Helen, choose your last ever conventional baked good wisely

and enjoy! :-) Alternatively, go for something crappy so you'll have

a memory resource of aesthetic negativity to help forestall cravings!

------

I've done it........ finished the Christmas cake. Last baked

good, and really it was just the marzipan I wanted.

------

Don't think that because you're all the way over in the UK and she's

on the US West Coast that you're safe from The Glutenator!

Superheroes never reveal all their superpowers!

------

LOL - excellent. She's a much-needed Superhero and hell, I'm nervous

just thinking about a malt loaf. Thank goodness.

Helen x

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Ah, but next Xmas you can make my GFCF (totally grain free in fact) Xmas

cake, which is truly moist and delicious. Even though I say so myself, it's

as good as conventional Xmas cake, and way better than most GF ones. The

recipe is in the files section of the NTGFCF group.

Deb

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[MAP] Hi Helen, choose your last ever conventional baked good wisely

and enjoy! :-) Alternatively, go for something crappy so you'll have

a memory resource of aesthetic negativity to help forestall cravings!

------

I've done it........ finished the Christmas cake. Last baked

good, and really it was just the marzipan I wanted.

------

Don't think that because you're all the way over in the UK and she's

on the US West Coast that you're safe from The Glutenator!

Superheroes never reveal all their superpowers!

------

LOL - excellent. She's a much-needed Superhero and hell, I'm nervous

just thinking about a malt loaf. Thank goodness.

Helen x

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Fantastic! I'll look forward to it. Actually I think I had a GF cake over

Christmas - my grandmother forgot to put the flour in!!

Look forward to trying yours in due course.

Helen

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and enjoy! :-) Alternatively, go for something crappy so you'll have

a memory resource of aesthetic negativity to help forestall cravings!

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good, and really it was just the marzipan I wanted.

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What is the NTGFCF group?

Thanks,

Irene

At 04:40 PM 1/12/2005, you wrote:

>Ah, but next Xmas you can make my GFCF (totally grain free in fact) Xmas

>cake, which is truly moist and delicious. Even though I say so myself, it's

>as good as conventional Xmas cake, and way better than most GF ones. The

>recipe is in the files section of the NTGFCF group.

>

>Deb

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> [MAP] Hi Helen, choose your last ever conventional baked good wisely

> and enjoy! :-) Alternatively, go for something crappy so you'll have

> a memory resource of aesthetic negativity to help forestall cravings!

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>

> I've done it........ finished the Christmas cake. Last baked

> good, and really it was just the marzipan I wanted.

>

> ------

> Don't think that because you're all the way over in the UK and she's

> on the US West Coast that you're safe from The Glutenator!

> Superheroes never reveal all their superpowers!

> ------

>

> LOL - excellent. She's a much-needed Superhero and hell, I'm nervous

> just thinking about a malt loaf. Thank goodness.

>

> Helen x

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>It's amazing that I never saw a connection mentioned when I was reading up

about the prolactin thing. They just say that 1/3 of the time, no known cause

is found and this is the group I fell into.

It still amazes me how much information you can find in minimal time on the Web,

and also, how few doctors and other folks know it. The last time I saw my

previous doctor he said most of my problems were just " getting old " .. now I'm

10 years older and most of those problems are gone. I was astounded when I read

the prolactin thing ... KIDS with high prolactin is just not normal, but it

undoubtedly applies to a LOT of adults both male and female.

>In the light of this (seeing as I'm *still* trying to get pregnant) and in the

light of the relationship with cancer - thanks so much for that - I am NOW from

this point onwards going wheat-free and will now chuck away all my wheaty foods.

Testing is a very, very good idea regardless. Even if going wheat free solves

all your problems, there is always this nagging doubt as to whether it is all

imaginary. Also, if you DO have high IgA levels, then you can retest in a year

or so and see if they come down.

I suspect that my problems in pregnancy and breastfeeding were both due to wheat

.... I had a lot of problems with nausea, bleeding, low vitamin K levels, which

have since resolved nicely on a new diet. I was trying to follow that darn " food

pyramid " at the time, whereas I used to live off meat and vegies because I was

aversive to " bready stuff " .

Heidi Jean