Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 >[Heidi] and one beef provides enough liver, heart, and kidney for the >year, and enough lungs, guts etc. for chickens and dogs. And more fat >than you can use. > >[MAP] I agree with that this is a pretty crazy statement, at >least the heart part! One beef heart is enough heart for one person >for about a month on a low-heart diet, much less otherwise. For an >average family, though, one beef heart is good for about one meal. Well, you see, this highlights the difference between " buying a cow " and " buying in the supermarket " . If you buy in the supermarket, you can get anything you want, any time you want, which is why folks do it. But .. you pay more. When you buy a beef, you get what one beef has, and adapt accordingly. One beef has one heart and one tongue, which makes both " rare " . It also only has one tail and 2 kidneys and a few ribs. Now in our family, that is enough " cool " stuff to last ... one or two cool things a month, and a lot of " normal " stuff... Anyway, that's the route I've chosen, and it's more affordable than buying stuff the other way, where you get more choices. But it's an interesting philisophical dilemma! Kinda like ... eating fruit in season, or whenever you want! You can eat blueberries in winter, if you import them from Chili. I choose not to ... I eat them when our blueberry plants have blueberries, and eat the frozen ones otherwise. If a family has to have more than one beef heart per year, then how does that work out for all families? Granted a lot of beef heart gets thrown out, so you could rescue it, but in a " hunter gatherer " situation, it's about like killing a buffalo, taking the heart, and letting the rest go to the scavengers. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 --- In , Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@t...> wrote: > > >. The biggest > >weakness for our family is impulsively going out to eat > >- and we don't like cheap restaurants, either. So I concentrate > >on having a plan for dinner every night. > >Aven > > That was one of our biggest expenses too! It helps that > I CAN'T eat out now ... but ... I also discovered that > one can cook a steak, really really fast (esp. if one eats > it half raw, like I do). I freeze them so they are easy > to separate, and plop the whole frozen thing onto > a cast iron hot grill pan. Steak is our new " fast food " . > Add a side of kimchi ... maybe some oven fries or > hash browns, and you got dindin. Even if we > were paying $10 a steak (we aren't) it would be > cheaper than going out to eat. > > Also we use the crock pot a lot. Throw some frozen > ribs or shanks in it at breakfast time, they are done > by dinner. > Heidi Jean I do exactly the same with the steak! Pan-fried steak and pan-fried potatoes are the greatest! For me, cooking isn't the problem - it's getting the kitchen cleaned up so I CAN cook. A pile of dirty dishes in the kitchen makes me want to head for a restaurant. A crock pot is on my list, but I want to get the right one. All the ones I've seen new in stores say " nonstick coating, " and I want to make sure I'm getting something nontoxic. Aven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Heidi- >If a family has to have more than one beef heart per year, then >how does that work out for all families? Granted a lot of beef >heart gets thrown out, In some hypothetical future, where there's a large demand for beef hearts again, sure, but at the moment, as you say, most of them are getting tossed. The situation isn't at all analogous to blueberries which have to be imported out of season. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 >In some hypothetical future, where there's a large demand for beef hearts >again, sure, but at the moment, as you say, most of them are getting >tossed. The situation isn't at all analogous to blueberries which have to >be imported out of season. > >- No, it is different in that respect. But from a food cost respect, the way I work my life anyway, to get MORE beef hearts is an extra cost. My goal is to spend a few days a year supplying my meat needs for the year. Anything beyond that is an " extra " ... I DO get " extras " mind you, I splurge on all kinds of things, but I label them as such in my mind. I'm trying to figure out an optimum way to feed a family that DOES NOT cost an arm and a leg and still has great nutrition. I'm not really a beef heart fan, but if I was, then I'd get more and it would be one of our " extras " . I can get them for free with the setup we have at the moment, but it would take more freezer space (and possibly more car trips) so nothing is really " free " ... Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 >A crock pot is on my list, but I want to get the right one. >All the ones I've seen new in stores say " nonstick >coating, " and I want to make sure I'm getting something >nontoxic. >Aven Look on www.cooking.com. At least some of them are ceramic (I just looked: search on " Crock pot " ). Also Value Village and other used places have them cheap. There was a rumor that some of the ceramics used were high lead, but I doubt that is true: stoneware doesn't leach lead easily in any case, but they don't use lead glazes for cookware anymore. There WAS a recall of some of the Rivals, but that was because the handles could break off when you were carrying the base (I never carry a pot of hot anything if I can help it! It stays on the counter). Here's the gourmet version: http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=217055 Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Heidi- >My goal is to spend a few days a year supplying >my meat needs for the year. I'd love to be able to do that, but my primary goal is to improve my health; hence my interest in more heart than I could get by just buying a cow. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Pratick- >We get ours for $4.99/dozen - organic, free-range, but those are Canadian $ >I would prefer to pay about $2.50 CAD for dozen. I'd love to spend less for everything without compromising quality... BTW, though I don't know whether this is different in Canada, in the US, " free range " doesn't mean at all what it sounds like. It just means chickens aren't in tiny cages -- they're able to " freely " " range " through a barn over a concrete floor. It's really, really deceptive. Though there are no legal standards, " pastured " typically means that the chickens are out on actual pasture. Country Hen eggs, the supermarket brand I buy when I can't get pastured eggs, are free range in the concrete-floored barn sense. Unfortunately, a lot of organic " free range " eggs come from companies which proudly announce the vegetarian feed they give their chickens. >Most of the fishes are in the $2.49 - $4.99 a lb range. Wow. I live in a fish town (NYC) but I can't even come close to that. Maybe if I frequented Chinatown at the right time of day, something I'll have to try sooner or later... Then again, it's hard to know whether fish is better to avoid anyway, with all the mercury scaremongering going on. >Thick cream (40% fat) - $4.99/lb Huh, you pay by the pound? Interesting. At the moment I'm getting pasteurized grass-fed heavy cream (probably just 35% fat) for $3.99/pint. Bleck. I'm trying to line up a new raw source which might be a little cheaper and also a lot better, but we'll see. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 < It just means chickens aren't in tiny cages -- they're able to " freely " " range " through a barn over a concrete floor. It's really, really deceptive. Though there are no legal standards, " pastured " typically means that the chickens are out on actual pasture. > I'm not sure about this, but I was told " uncaged " in Calif. means free to roam in a building/barn, " free range " means free to walk out the open door onto dirt (which supposedly few do), and " pastured " means on grass (but these are still given feed which may not be organic). I pay a ghastly $4 plus for a half-dozen New Zealand eggs which are both pastured (estimated 70%) and fed organic (unfortunately, incl. soy)--but they are large, the yolks a good orange and the shells very hard. I figure the yolks speak to the quality of grass and the shells speak to the quality of the insects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 , What brand? Does that mean you're in NZ? I thought i was the only kiwi here. Deb -----Original Message----- From: West [mailto:clairewest@...] I pay a ghastly $4 plus for a half-dozen New Zealand eggs which are both pastured (estimated 70%) and fed organic (unfortunately, incl. soy)--but they are large, the yolks a good orange and the shells very hard. I figure the yolks speak to the quality of grass and the shells speak to the quality of the insects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 > Catz is correct! 3 or less milking cows and you can buy it directly > from the farm. Well! I stand corrected! that's actually good news. Lynn S. ------ Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.knitting911.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 - >I'm not sure about this, but I was told " uncaged " in Calif. means free to >roam in a building/barn, " free range " means free to walk out the open door >onto dirt (which supposedly few do), and " pastured " means on grass (but >these are still given feed which may not be organic). Well, California would be the state to require greater accuracy in labeling, so it wouldn't surprise me if it's true there. > I pay a ghastly $4 >plus for a half-dozen New Zealand eggs which are both pastured (estimated >70%) and fed organic (unfortunately, incl. soy)--but they are large, the >yolks a good orange and the shells very hard. I figure the yolks speak to >the quality of grass and the shells speak to the quality of the insects. Frenzs? I tried them when I was in LA, but I thought they had an odd flavor. Maybe something I'm just not used to. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 That's the way that I pick my supermarket eggs. Despite the claims on the labels...if they make any of us sick, don't smell, taste, look right, and if the cats won't touch them...we move on to the next brand. Surprisingly, Fred Meyer (also known as Fry's and Kroger in other parts of the country) has put in their organic/natural section recently, including their own store name brand. These have actually turned out to be pretty good compared to the rest of what is in the stores. So in a pinch, " Naturally Preferred " free-range eggs, and organic (albiet pasteurized) milk are fairly good and not too expensive. I don't recommend their " organic " eggs.... Catz )--but they are large, the > yolks a good orange and the shells very hard. I figure the yolks speak to > the quality of grass and the shells speak to the quality of the insects. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 > Value Village and other used places have them cheap. I got my lovely enormous Rival ceramic crockpot at Goodwill for something like $6. Looked brand new. Lynn S. ------ Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.knitting911.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 >I'd love to be able to do that, but my primary goal is to improve my >health; hence my interest in more heart than I could get by just buying a cow. > >- Yeah, and you are on a different route for sure! It doesn't seem from your posts that you are feeding a family either, which is a whole different ball game. I ate MUCH different when I was single, and my dh had a very different " single " diet than I had. And obviously a " therapeutic " diet is different from an " affordable " one. I think of the Indian who gave the blinded trapper all the fish eyes ... obviously a diet of just fish eyes isn't doable in the long run. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Deb and , It is Frenz that I buy--imported from NZ to southern California for the Whole Foods Store. I got Jimbo's to offer them, too (a store much closer to me), but they are a tiny chain and charge much more. I haven't yet figured out how the extra charge might weigh against the mileage for gas. I buy a case at a time and that gives me a 10% discount. Their packaging has all kinds of info, like " No beak trimming, no batteries or barns " (batteries?) www.frenzs.com Pratick, I eat these eggs raw, so I can't comment on peeling them when cooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 I know someone else touched on this already, but I've noticed my budget has stayed about the same, I've just exchanged sources of the expenses. Instead of paying for different prescription meds for allergies/asthma/shots, I pay for better food. And, we don't have the frequent MD visits either. As far as money saving ideas, we've bought meat in bulk from local farmers. Dairy direct from the farm; some local, some shipped to us. Buying produce from the farmer's directly, or farmer's market helped, vs. the grocery store. But, the biggest difference in expense reduction was when we cut out grains. Even the NT-style, soaked grains. We rarely eat grain anymore, and that has allowed me to spend more on meat and veggies like we prefer. (That doesn't mean the kids don't ask for them anymore, it's just that they get other foods substituted instead!) Right now, for our family of 5, I'd say we spend around $800-$1000 a month. That's after a great deal of shopping around for grass-fed meat, organic produce, and raw dairy. Rebekah Food costs. I was wondering if people would be willing to share how much they spend on food when eating the NT way. I have already seen my gorcery bill skyrocket. I feel good about spending money on real food and supporting local farmers and shops by eating this way. However, I am really feeling the bit in the back pocket. \ Green Blessings, <HTML> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN " " http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd " > <BODY> <FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " > Important <B>Native Nutrition</B> Addresses <UL> <LI>Native Nutrition on the <A HREF= " / " >WEB</A> <LI>Search the message <A HREF= " http://onibasu.dyndns.org/ " >ARCHIVE</A> & mdash; <B>NEW FEATURE!</B></LI> <LI>Change your group <A HREF= " /join " >SETTINGS</A></\ LI> <LI><A HREF= " mailto: " >POST</A> a message</LI> <LI><A HREF= " mailto: -subscribe " >SUBSCRIBE</A> to the list</LI> <LI><A HREF= " mailto: -unsubscribe " >UNSUBSCRIBE</A> from the list</LI> <LI>Send an <A HREF= " mailto: -owner " >EMAIL</A> to the List Owner & Moderators</LI> </UL></FONT> <PRE><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " >List Owner: Idol Moderators: Heidi Schuppenhauer Wanita Sears </FONT></PRE> </BODY> </HTML> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Thanks --- In , Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@t...> wrote: > > >A crock pot is on my list, but I want to get the right one. > >All the ones I've seen new in stores say " nonstick > >coating, " and I want to make sure I'm getting something > >nontoxic. > >Aven > > Look on www.cooking.com. At least some of them are > ceramic (I just looked: search on " Crock pot " ). Also > Value Village and other used places have them cheap. > There was a rumor that some of the ceramics used were > high lead, but I doubt that is true: stoneware doesn't leach > lead easily in any case, but they don't use lead glazes for > cookware anymore. There WAS a recall of some of the Rivals, > but that was because the handles could break off when you > were carrying the base (I never carry a pot of hot anything > if I can help it! It stays on the counter). > > Here's the gourmet version: > > http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=217055 > > > Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Our produce spending dropped dramatically after we joined a CSA community supported agriculture group. We get organic produce farm fresh weekly for about $20 per week and it is about $2 per pound. Do a search for community supported agriculture and you state and see if you can find a group near you. Connie Bernard http://www.PandoraPads.com Organic Cotton Feminine Pads, Tampons, Nursing Pads, Natural Progesterone Cream, and Children's Supplements. On-line Discount Voucher: nn242g223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 > < It just means > chickens aren't in tiny cages -- they're able to " freely " " range " through a > barn over a concrete floor. It's really, really deceptive. Though there > are no legal standards, " pastured " typically means that the chickens are > out on actual pasture. > > > I'm not sure about this, but I was told " uncaged " in Calif. means free to > roam in a building/barn, " free range " means free to walk out the open door > onto dirt (which supposedly few do), and " pastured " means on grass (but > these are still given feed which may not be organic). I pay a ghastly $4 > plus for a half-dozen New Zealand eggs which are both pastured (estimated > 70%) and fed organic (unfortunately, incl. soy)--but they are large, the > yolks a good orange and the shells very hard. I figure the yolks speak to > the quality of grass and the shells speak to the quality of the insects. , My chicken/egg man told me if the eggs are uniform in shape/size, then those chickens are getting regulated feed. No way true pastured eggs all look the same by the dozen or half-dozen. Yes, I may be poorer of hope, but still freer of illusion...(Tom Robbins) B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 The Frenz eggs that gets are uniform in size because Frenzs grades them that way (I get them too). They size them from small to XL. Deb -----Original Message----- From: downwardog7 [mailto:illneverbecool@...] , My chicken/egg man told me if the eggs are uniform in shape/size, then those chickens are getting regulated feed. No way true pastured eggs all look the same by the dozen or half-dozen. Yes, I may be poorer of hope, but still freer of illusion...(Tom Robbins) B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 , <My chicken/egg man told me if the eggs are uniform in shape/size, then those chickens are getting regulated feed. Yes, I may be poorer of hope, but still freer of illusion...> Well, illusion exists, always, as part of the agenda of any business, but, as I said, the company does admit to a 30% feed (organic), and both the yolk and shell strongly testify to a huge amount of grass/insect ingestion. I don't think any predominantly feed-based egg could possibly produce that vivid an orange or that hard a shell. Also, the eggs are sold in both large and extra-large containers, and even within any container, there is some variation. I tried many eggs before deciding on these as the best I had seen and tasted. I don't spend that kind of money easily. <g> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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