Re: Does this sound reasonable?

[Guest guest]

Dana,

Are you taking your meds the day of the labs? You have you answer on the

doctor the nurse told you the doctor prescribes based on labs. Find another

doctor and DO NOT take your meds within 12 hours of tests.

Kate

At 10:25 PM 5/4/2006, you wrote:

>For over 6 months, I was finally starting to feel good. I was

>taking 240mg (or 4 grains) of Armour twice a day, 50mg DHEA, 25mg

>Cortisone. I was starting to have hope for my life after years of

>being completely incapacitated. Then my doctor dies and I'm forced

>to find someone new.

>

>My new doctor ordered blood work on my first visit and the levels

>were: TSH <0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 9.3 (range 2.3-4.2) and Free

>T4 2.27 (range 0.73-1.95). With these labs, I was told to reduce my

>Armour by two 240mg pills a week. Seemed reasonable.

>

>On the next doctor visit, labs were take again with levels of: TSH

><0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 5.5 (range 2.3-4.2) and Free T4 1.72

>(range 0.73-1.95). I had a 41% decrease in T3 and a 25% decrease in

>T4 by not taking two 240mg pills of Armour a week. Which to me

>looks pretty good. With these labs, my doctor has now decreased my

>Armour by a WHOPPING 120mg PER DAY.

>

>I'm scared!!! Is this a reasonable decrease in Armour?

>

>The nurse who called me today mentioned that the doctor prescribes

>based on the labs and my TSH was still too low. Does it sound like

>my doctor worships the TSH?

>

>What do you all think? I'm panicking!

> Dana

[Guest guest]

Kate,

Since I've been reading these posts, I learned not to take my

medication before getting labs but I'm not sure if it was 12 hours.

You're right about the doctor. I will probably look for someone

else because I feel that she is concerned with my lab numbers not

necessarily how I feel.

Dana

> >For over 6 months, I was finally starting to feel good. I was

> >taking 240mg (or 4 grains) of Armour twice a day, 50mg DHEA, 25mg

> >Cortisone. I was starting to have hope for my life after years of

> >being completely incapacitated. Then my doctor dies and I'm

forced

> >to find someone new.

> >

> >My new doctor ordered blood work on my first visit and the levels

> >were: TSH <0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 9.3 (range 2.3-4.2) and

Free

> >T4 2.27 (range 0.73-1.95). With these labs, I was told to reduce

my

> >Armour by two 240mg pills a week. Seemed reasonable.

> >

> >On the next doctor visit, labs were take again with levels of:

TSH

> ><0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 5.5 (range 2.3-4.2) and Free T4 1.72

> >(range 0.73-1.95). I had a 41% decrease in T3 and a 25% decrease

in

> >T4 by not taking two 240mg pills of Armour a week. Which to me

> >looks pretty good. With these labs, my doctor has now decreased

my

> >Armour by a WHOPPING 120mg PER DAY.

> >

> >I'm scared!!! Is this a reasonable decrease in Armour?

> >

> >The nurse who called me today mentioned that the doctor prescribes

> >based on the labs and my TSH was still too low. Does it sound

like

> >my doctor worships the TSH?

> >

> >What do you all think? I'm panicking!

> > Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

I called my doctor's office yesterday morning and expressed my

concerns (through the nurse) about the large decrease in meds. The

answer I got is that it really wasn't a large drop because they are

figuring it on a weekly basis. In their opinion, my dose was

dropped by 120mg a week on the latest change. My only problem is

that this is my second change since seeing this new doc and using

the same type of calculations they used, I figure that my meds have

been dropped 600mg a week. That figures out to be 85.7mg per day

within a little over two months. I think its been too fast and I've

started feeling my old symptoms again.

I'll go see her one more time and ask her some very specific

questions. Maybe by that time, I'll be better prepared to ask the

right questions. Every time I read posts from this group, I learn

something new.

I'll try to negotiate for 6 months of prescriptions. So far, all

I've managed to get out of her is two months.

Your comment about the TSH being a pituitary hormone is news to me.

I have a vague understanding about all this stuff.

Dana

> > >For over 6 months, I was finally starting to feel good. I was

> > >taking 240mg (or 4 grains) of Armour twice a day, 50mg DHEA,

25mg

> > >Cortisone. I was starting to have hope for my life after years

of

> > >being completely incapacitated. Then my doctor dies and I'm

> forced

> > >to find someone new.

> > >

> > >My new doctor ordered blood work on my first visit and the

levels

> > >were: TSH <0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 9.3 (range 2.3-4.2) and

> Free

> > >T4 2.27 (range 0.73-1.95). With these labs, I was told to

reduce

> my

> > >Armour by two 240mg pills a week. Seemed reasonable.

> > >

> > >On the next doctor visit, labs were take again with levels of:

> TSH

> > ><0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 5.5 (range 2.3-4.2) and Free T4

1.72

> > >(range 0.73-1.95). I had a 41% decrease in T3 and a 25%

decrease

> in

> > >T4 by not taking two 240mg pills of Armour a week. Which to me

> > >looks pretty good. With these labs, my doctor has now

decreased

> my

> > >Armour by a WHOPPING 120mg PER DAY.

> > >

> > >I'm scared!!! Is this a reasonable decrease in Armour?

> > >

> > >The nurse who called me today mentioned that the doctor

prescribes

> > >based on the labs and my TSH was still too low. Does it sound

> like

> > >my doctor worships the TSH?

> > >

> > >What do you all think? I'm panicking!

> > > Dana

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have sent a copy of your post to two different local docs and asked if they could help you. When I get replies, I will email you privately.

>> For over 6 months, I was finally starting to feel good. I was > taking 240mg (or 4 grains) of Armour twice a day, 50mg DHEA, 25mg > Cortisone. I was starting to have hope for my life after years of > being completely incapacitated. Then my doctor dies and I'm forced > to find someone new. > > My new doctor ordered blood work on my first visit and the levels > were: TSH <0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 9.3 (range 2.3-4.2) and Free > T4 2.27 (range 0.73-1.95). With these labs, I was told to reduce my > Armour by two 240mg pills a week. Seemed reasonable. > > On the next doctor visit, labs were take again with levels of: TSH > <0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 5.5 (range 2.3-4.2) and Free T4 1.72> (range 0.73-1.95). I had a 41% decrease in T3 and a 25% decrease in > T4 by not taking two 240mg pills of Armour a week. Which to me > looks pretty good. With these labs, my doctor has now decreased my > Armour by a WHOPPING 120mg PER DAY.> > I'm scared!!! Is this a reasonable decrease in Armour?> > The nurse who called me today mentioned that the doctor prescribes > based on the labs and my TSH was still too low. Does it sound like > my doctor worships the TSH?> > What do you all think? I'm panicking!> Dana>

[Guest guest]

I'm grateful for your help. I'm just wondering how you're able to

email these docs and get a response. I would like to be able to do

that myself to save me from going to them until they've messed me up

and starting all over with someone new. Can you tell me your

secret? Dana

> >

> > For over 6 months, I was finally starting to feel good. I was

> > taking 240mg (or 4 grains) of Armour twice a day, 50mg DHEA, 25mg

> > Cortisone. I was starting to have hope for my life after years of

> > being completely incapacitated. Then my doctor dies and I'm

forced

> > to find someone new.

> >

> > My new doctor ordered blood work on my first visit and the levels

> > were: TSH <0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 9.3 (range 2.3-4.2) and

Free

> > T4 2.27 (range 0.73-1.95). With these labs, I was told to reduce

my

> > Armour by two 240mg pills a week. Seemed reasonable.

> >

> > On the next doctor visit, labs were take again with levels of:

TSH

> > <0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 5.5 (range 2.3-4.2) and Free T4 1.72

> > (range 0.73-1.95). I had a 41% decrease in T3 and a 25% decrease

in

> > T4 by not taking two 240mg pills of Armour a week. Which to me

> > looks pretty good. With these labs, my doctor has now decreased

my

> > Armour by a WHOPPING 120mg PER DAY.

> >

> > I'm scared!!! Is this a reasonable decrease in Armour?

> >

> > The nurse who called me today mentioned that the doctor

prescribes

> > based on the labs and my TSH was still too low. Does it sound

like

> > my doctor worships the TSH?

> >

> > What do you all think? I'm panicking!

> > Dana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

I spent quite a while yesterday reading anything I could find on

thyroid problems, etc. particularly anything that relates to my

situation. From what I read, it seems very clear to me that my

supprested TSH and high Free T3 levels point directly to a pituitary

problem just as you said. What I couldn't find is the treatment for

a pituitary problem. Also, should I try to get the diagnosis of a

pituitary problem so that my doctor will stop trying to bring my

labs into " normal " ranges? Or will my labs become normal when the

underlying pituitary problem is resolved? What do you think?

Dana

> > > >For over 6 months, I was finally starting to feel good. I was

> > > >taking 240mg (or 4 grains) of Armour twice a day, 50mg DHEA,

> 25mg

> > > >Cortisone. I was starting to have hope for my life after

years

> of

> > > >being completely incapacitated. Then my doctor dies and I'm

> > forced

> > > >to find someone new.

> > > >

> > > >My new doctor ordered blood work on my first visit and the

> levels

> > > >were: TSH <0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 9.3 (range 2.3-4.2)

and

> > Free

> > > >T4 2.27 (range 0.73-1.95). With these labs, I was told to

> reduce

> > my

> > > >Armour by two 240mg pills a week. Seemed reasonable.

> > > >

> > > >On the next doctor visit, labs were take again with levels

of:

> > TSH

> > > ><0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 5.5 (range 2.3-4.2) and Free T4

> 1.72

> > > >(range 0.73-1.95). I had a 41% decrease in T3 and a 25%

> decrease

> > in

> > > >T4 by not taking two 240mg pills of Armour a week. Which to

me

> > > >looks pretty good. With these labs, my doctor has now

> decreased

> > my

> > > >Armour by a WHOPPING 120mg PER DAY.

> > > >

> > > >I'm scared!!! Is this a reasonable decrease in Armour?

> > > >

> > > >The nurse who called me today mentioned that the doctor

> prescribes

> > > >based on the labs and my TSH was still too low. Does it

sound

> > like

> > > >my doctor worships the TSH?

> > > >

> > > >What do you all think? I'm panicking!

> > > > Dana

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I didn't know the problems I could be causing these doctors. I

guess this helps to explains why Dr. Rose was being disciplined.

> > >

> > > For over 6 months, I was finally starting to feel good. I was

> > > taking 240mg (or 4 grains) of Armour twice a day, 50mg DHEA,

25mg

> > > Cortisone. I was starting to have hope for my life after years

of

> > > being completely incapacitated. Then my doctor dies and I'm

> forced

> > > to find someone new.

> > >

> > > My new doctor ordered blood work on my first visit and the

levels

> > > were: TSH <0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 9.3 (range 2.3-4.2) and

> Free

> > > T4 2.27 (range 0.73-1.95). With these labs, I was told to

reduce

> my

> > > Armour by two 240mg pills a week. Seemed reasonable.

> > >

> > > On the next doctor visit, labs were take again with levels of:

> TSH

> > > <0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 5.5 (range 2.3-4.2) and Free T4

1.72

> > > (range 0.73-1.95). I had a 41% decrease in T3 and a 25%

decrease

> in

> > > T4 by not taking two 240mg pills of Armour a week. Which to me

> > > looks pretty good. With these labs, my doctor has now

decreased

> my

> > > Armour by a WHOPPING 120mg PER DAY.

> > >

> > > I'm scared!!! Is this a reasonable decrease in Armour?

> > >

> > > The nurse who called me today mentioned that the doctor

> prescribes

> > > based on the labs and my TSH was still too low. Does it sound

> like

> > > my doctor worships the TSH?

> > >

> > > What do you all think? I'm panicking!

> > > Dana

>

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Rose did have me on suppliments, several in fact. I've always

taken everything together twice a day after eating. My memory isn't

good at all so for me to try to remember to take certain pills a

couple hours later would be far too much of a stretch for me.

Would this urine test help the doctor document my actual problem and

keep him out of trouble?

Thanks for your help,

Dana

> > > > >For over 6 months, I was finally starting to feel good. I

was

> > > > >taking 240mg (or 4 grains) of Armour twice a day, 50mg

DHEA,

> > 25mg

> > > > >Cortisone. I was starting to have hope for my life after

> years

> > of

> > > > >being completely incapacitated. Then my doctor dies and

I'm

> > > forced

> > > > >to find someone new.

> > > > >

> > > > >My new doctor ordered blood work on my first visit and the

> > levels

> > > > >were: TSH <0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 9.3 (range 2.3-4.2)

> and

> > > Free

> > > > >T4 2.27 (range 0.73-1.95). With these labs, I was told to

> > reduce

> > > my

> > > > >Armour by two 240mg pills a week. Seemed reasonable.

> > > > >

> > > > >On the next doctor visit, labs were take again with levels

> of:

> > > TSH

> > > > ><0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 5.5 (range 2.3-4.2) and Free

T4

> > 1.72

> > > > >(range 0.73-1.95). I had a 41% decrease in T3 and a 25%

> > decrease

> > > in

> > > > >T4 by not taking two 240mg pills of Armour a week. Which

to

> me

> > > > >looks pretty good. With these labs, my doctor has now

> > decreased

> > > my

> > > > >Armour by a WHOPPING 120mg PER DAY.

> > > > >

> > > > >I'm scared!!! Is this a reasonable decrease in Armour?

> > > > >

> > > > >The nurse who called me today mentioned that the doctor

> > prescribes

> > > > >based on the labs and my TSH was still too low. Does it

> sound

> > > like

> > > > >my doctor worships the TSH?

> > > > >

> > > > >What do you all think? I'm panicking!

> > > > > Dana

>

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[Guest guest]

I take all my suppliments with my Armour but I'm not taking calcium

or iron. Most of my suppliments are to support my adrenals and

thyroid. I take Vitamin C and a suppliment with gugulipids for my

cholesterol.

When I see a new doctor, I always bring copies of my past labs,

doctor's notes and a list of all meds and suppliments with dosages.

Sometimes it seems like I overwhelm them with it all especially when

I show up with a list of everything I want to talk about. I don't

mean to be pushy but I really can't remember things when I get there.

> > > > > >For over 6 months, I was finally starting to feel good.

I

> was

> > > > > >taking 240mg (or 4 grains) of Armour twice a day, 50mg

> DHEA,

> > > 25mg

> > > > > >Cortisone. I was starting to have hope for my life after

> > years

> > > of

> > > > > >being completely incapacitated. Then my doctor dies and

> I'm

> > > > forced

> > > > > >to find someone new.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >My new doctor ordered blood work on my first visit and

the

> > > levels

> > > > > >were: TSH <0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 9.3 (range 2.3-

4.2)

> > and

> > > > Free

> > > > > >T4 2.27 (range 0.73-1.95). With these labs, I was told

to

> > > reduce

> > > > my

> > > > > >Armour by two 240mg pills a week. Seemed reasonable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >On the next doctor visit, labs were take again with

levels

> > of:

> > > > TSH

> > > > > ><0.1 (range 0.3-5.1) Free T3 5.5 (range 2.3-4.2) and Free

> T4

> > > 1.72

> > > > > >(range 0.73-1.95). I had a 41% decrease in T3 and a 25%

> > > decrease

> > > > in

> > > > > >T4 by not taking two 240mg pills of Armour a week. Which

> to

> > me

> > > > > >looks pretty good. With these labs, my doctor has now

> > > decreased

> > > > my

> > > > > >Armour by a WHOPPING 120mg PER DAY.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I'm scared!!! Is this a reasonable decrease in Armour?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >The nurse who called me today mentioned that the doctor

> > > prescribes

> > > > > >based on the labs and my TSH was still too low. Does it

> > sound

> > > > like

> > > > > >my doctor worships the TSH?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >What do you all think? I'm panicking!

> > > > > > Dana

>

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