Re: B.'s macro-nutrient adventure

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>Dismantle my brunch!

As you wish! <g>

>6 med. hard-cooked eggs

Why hard-cooked?

>Fat: 45 408 63%

> Sat: 12 111 17%

Seems a bit light on the sat fat to me...

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On 9/22/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> Okay, 's feeling analytical and maximally annoying.

> Dismantle my brunch!

Does this mean you are only eating twice a day? What does dinner look

like? Based on the total calories for this meal it would seem that

dinner would have to pack a powerful caloric punch in order to ensure

an adequate amount of nutrients from food.

> 6 med. hard-cooked eggs

LOL! I love hard boiled eggs. I like them combined with a big huge

steak. For some reason the last batch I had made me nauseous so I have

been staying away from them. It went away when I took the Schulze clay

formula (#2) but it was still weird.

> 2 T. mustard, homemade

And the mustard went where? Okay, sounds like you made a salad judging

from the items below.

> 2 green onions

> 2 cups mixed romaine/watercress

> 1 very small carrot, raw

> 1/2 beet, raw

> 2 radishes, raw

> 1/4 cup sauerkraut with caraway

Homemade or do you know a good storebought version?

> 1 T. basic dressing from NT made with 1/3 each sesame/olive/vco and

> scant flax oil (just used fitday's breakdown for homemade oil/vinegar)

> 1 tsp. Blue Ice

> 1 asian pear

>

> logged in at fitday.com

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> http://fitday.com/WebFit/DayFoodsTab.asp

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> source grams cals %total

> Total: 683

> Fat: 45 408 63%

> Sat: 12 111 17%

> Poly: 9 84 13%

> Mono: 17 156 24%

PUFA's look a little high although I realize this is only one meal.

The saturated fat looks pretty low as well.

> Carbs: 27 70 11%

> Fiber: 9 0 0%

> Protein: 42 169 26%

> Alcohol: 0 0 0%

Sheeez, no alcohol? How do you folks manage? <g>

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Pleasure is a nutrient - Mati Senerchia

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>Sheeez, no alcohol? How do you folks manage? <g>

I'd love to be able to drink wine on at least a semi-regular basis, but

that's just not in the cards in at least the near future.

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> Does this mean you are only eating twice a day? What does dinner look

> like? Based on the total calories for this meal it would seem that

> dinner would have to pack a powerful caloric punch in order to ensure

> an adequate amount of nutrients from food.

Dinner below.

> And the mustard went where? Okay, sounds like you made a salad judging

> from the items below.

The eggs were mixed with the mustard and green onions and plopped on

the salad. I made hard-cooked because I needed to use up some eggs

that were aging, and I just bought two more dozen of the most

beautiful pastured eggs yesterday. Those I'll eat raw or poached or

soft-boiled. But I like hard-cooked eggs!

> > 1/4 cup sauerkraut with caraway

> Homemade or do you know a good storebought version?

Homemade!

> > source grams cals %total

> > Total: 683

> > Fat: 45 408 63%

> > Sat: 12 111 17%

> > Poly: 9 84 13%

> > Mono: 17 156 24%

>

> PUFA's look a little high although I realize this is only one meal.

> The saturated fat looks pretty low as well.

So where did the PUFA's come from? The salad dressing? Just one

tablespoon? I see, the eggs break down thusly:

Total Fat 31.83g 49%

Saturated Fat 9.8g 49%

Polyunsaturated Fat 4.24g

Monounsaturated Fat 12.23g

I thought eggs had more sat. fat in them.

Here's dinner:

1 T. ghee

1 tsp. vco

1 shallot

1 jalapeno

3 C. mixed greens: bok choy/mustard/dandelion

1 C. chicken broth

1 T fish sauce

topped with:

1 1/2 C. chicken from making the broth

2 green onions

2 small bites kim chee

followed by:

1/2 C. goat yogurt

1 1/2 tsp honey

1 tsp dolomite--I know, I know...

diluted with water and blended with spices

Breakdown: (for the whole day, I couldn't isolate dinner, sorry)

Calories Eaten Today

source grams cals %total

Total: 1517

Fat: 86 772 53%

Sat: 32 290 20%

Poly: 14 128 9%

Mono: 29 263 18%

Carbs: 72 220 15%

Fiber: 17 0 0%

Protein: 117 467 32%

Alcohol: 0 0 0%

The page is here:

http://fitday.com/WebFit/DayFoodsTab.asp

(though I don't know if anyone can see it, since there's a password.)

Fitness activity: 3 mile run in soft sand/35 mins

Ugly confession: I don't normally eat this much--and I had to choke

it all down as it is--but I didn't want to get cyber-stoned via the ether!

If I'd had my druthers, I'd have drunk a large glass of buttermilk for

supper--I was still full from brunch 8 hours later!

So I'm seeing there's a little problem, and I'm glad this came up,

especially since I'm on a renewed fitness campaign. I haven't charted

my meals in some time, but I remember when I did it before, I always

had trouble getting high enough cal. counts, too. Help me, you guys!

B.

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>So where did the PUFA's come from? The salad dressing? Just one

>tablespoon? I see, the eggs break down thusly:

Yeah, the eggs, the dressing and the CLO. There just wasn't a dense sat

fat source in your brunch.

>1 tsp dolomite--I know, I know...

Seriously, toss the dolomite. Why risk lead poisoning?

>Ugly confession: I don't normally eat this much--and I had to choke

>it all down as it is--but I didn't want to get cyber-stoned via the ether!

>

>If I'd had my druthers, I'd have drunk a large glass of buttermilk for

>supper--I was still full from brunch 8 hours later!

>

> So I'm seeing there's a little problem, and I'm glad this came up,

>especially since I'm on a renewed fitness campaign. I haven't charted

>my meals in some time, but I remember when I did it before, I always

>had trouble getting high enough cal. counts, too. Help me, you guys!

I went over to the FDA site

<http://www.fda.gov/cder/cancer/caloricframe.htm> and plugged in some

vaguely guesstimated average numbers for you -- 5'6 " , 130# -- just to see

what it says.

>Estimated Caloric Requirements, kcal/day:

>Child or Active Adult 2855

>Estimated Caloric Requirements, kcal/day:

>Sedentary person 1541

For weight it also says this:

>Desirable Adult Weight (Female, lbs) 131

So I really was just using generic averages. But I think it's at least in

the right general ballpark, plus or minus a couple thousand calories (<g>),

so in light of your 3-mile run, your food intake definitely sounds low

yesterday. Amusingly, it says that if I were what it calls my ideal

weight, solely based on my height, I should be eating 2759 or 1819 calories

per day, but based on my actual weight, it says 2662 or 1905 calories. Go

figure. But calories don't mean nearly as much as macronutrient (and

nutritional) composition anyway.

If you have appetite problems, I'd recommend two things. First, get more

zinc and more B vitamins. These are often low in people with impaired

appetite. Eat foods extremely rich in them, try some supplements,

whatever. Second, cut down on the roughage! It's filling you up without

providing any meaningful caloric input.

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> Seriously, toss the dolomite. Why risk lead poisoning?

I haven't yet read anything definitive saying it's contaminated--other

than your word, of course, which is mighty. When I've inquired on the

other list, I get back nothing, neither damning nor praising.

> I went over to the FDA site

> <http://www.fda.gov/cder/cancer/caloricframe.htm> and plugged in some

> vaguely guesstimated average numbers for you -- 5'6 " , 130#

Such discernment!

-- just to see

> what it says.

>

> >Estimated Caloric Requirements, kcal/day:

> >Child or Active Adult 2855

>

> >Estimated Caloric Requirements, kcal/day:

> >Sedentary person 1541

>

> For weight it also says this:

>

> >Desirable Adult Weight (Female, lbs) 131

huh.

>

> So I really was just using generic averages. But I think it's at

least in

> the right general ballpark, plus or minus a couple thousand calories

(<g>),

> so in light of your 3-mile run, your food intake definitely sounds low

> yesterday. Amusingly, it says that if I were what it calls my ideal

> weight, solely based on my height, I should be eating 2759 or 1819

calories

> per day, but based on my actual weight, it says 2662 or 1905

calories. Go

> figure. But calories don't mean nearly as much as macronutrient (and

> nutritional) composition anyway.

So you are not maintaining your unwanted weight but losing--even with

all the calories you eat--which goes against the database suggestions?

Is that what you are saying? Very interesting.

Thing is, I took some time off and was a bit sedentary for, say, a

month, maybe six weeks, but now I'm back on Boogie Street! I expect

the appetite will pick up as the KB workouts increase in ferocity...

But it does explain some things, like why I was experiencing such low

energy in the first place...

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> If you have appetite problems, I'd recommend two things. First, get

more

> zinc and more B vitamins. These are often low in people with impaired

> appetite. Eat foods extremely rich in them, try some supplements,

> whatever. Second, cut down on the roughage! It's filling you up

without

> providing any meaningful caloric input.

I don't have appetite problems at all--I get very hungry! But I get

full--overly full--when I eat. So maybe it's the roughage. I always

eat all the meat/protein on my plate first and the vegetables are

eaten until I get too full to continue, which is soon. I'm certain I

have slow gastric emptying, and unsure how to improve it. For

instance, yesterday I would have eaten three eggs at the early meal,

then for supper I would have had max one cup meat, but because I was

on view I realized that wouldn't cut it. So, after brunch at ten, I

was full right up until dinner at six, and only ate all that food

because I knew it was the right thing to do, and the right time to do

it, but I was overly full after eating and even awoke at 1:50 AM and

got a drink of water and was still very full! And even right now--7

AM--I have a full feeling and certainly no hunger coming for several

more hours, like, eleven or so. It's for this reason the WD is

problematic for me, but if I eat all dense foods--IOW no vegetables--I

will feel sluggish, to boot. Plus, I love greens and other

low-glycemic vegetables and to not have them would be a deprivation,

but I can certainly reduce the amount I'm eating.

Ross recommends Propulsid for delayed gastric emptying, but I

don't really wanna go there.

B.

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>I haven't yet read anything definitive saying it's contaminated--other

>than your word, of course, which is mighty. When I've inquired on the

>other list, I get back nothing, neither damning nor praising.

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/dol_0099.shtml

>Such discernment!

Well, probably not -- I don't think I'm a good judge of height or weight,

so I just went with average values.

>So you are not maintaining your unwanted weight but losing--even with

>all the calories you eat--which goes against the database suggestions?

>Is that what you are saying? Very interesting.

Yeah, but that's pretty much how low-carbing works. Seth, the owner of

Healing Crow (an SCD-related list and site) said that back when he was

losing weight by low-carbing, he could eat 4-6000 calories per day and at

worst he'd stop losing weight.

>I don't have appetite problems at all--I get very hungry! But I get

>full--overly full--when I eat. So maybe it's the roughage.

Ah! Yes, then I'd definitely recommend stopping the roughage and seeing

what happens. That sort of stuff is commonly recommended as a means to

fill you up without calories, so it's almost certainly at least part of the

problem.

>And even right now--7

>AM--I have a full feeling and certainly no hunger coming for several

>more hours, like, eleven or so.

I don't know that that's really a problem if you're doing two meals a day,

as long as you get enough nutrition.

> It's for this reason the WD is

>problematic for me, but if I eat all dense foods--IOW no vegetables--I

>will feel sluggish, to boot.

Perhaps hypochlorhydria? Enzyme insufficiency? More probiotics (e.g.

kimchi) with meals?

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