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Hey Terijo. I am learniing about EFT, too...we'll talk later!

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I have been taking my temp in the mornings for several days and it's never over 97....this is so aggravating. Now I'm being told by a lady on my low-carb board who seems very knowledgable about thyroid matters that not treating my thyroid and adding testosterone is only going to make me feel worse. Thoughts? Terijo wrote: I note that while your T4 is in the top part of the range, your T3 is justunder midpoint. You may not be converting as well as you should. Manypeople do not feel well UNLESS these numbers are in the higher portion. Iam being judged by Broda ' protocol, i.e., if you have a low basaltemperature you are hypothyroid. Broda felt that this was the besttest we have. Take your underarm temp immediately on waking, before anymovement

(have a glass mercury thermometer within easy grasp) for tenminutes. If it is lower than - he said 98.2 was normal - you arehypothyroid. When I got on this roller coaster mine bounced around wildly(adrenal) but only rarely up to 98. anything and then only during the day.THere is a great Broda ' website.So it COULD well be your thyroid in part. As to the nodule on your lung, doa search on the internet on "Cancer Salves" and you should see a websiteowned by the author of a book of the same name. IF you are veryadventuresome (like me) you will order the book NOW and possibly choose thesalve you would like to use for what may or may not be a cancer - and orderthe materials to make it. You can buy a ready made black salve but thisauthor feels this one is unnecessarily brutal. (I had a friend use it toremove a breast lump without painkillers and she said it was excruciating.)You will want

painkillers anyway if you try it with any of these. But thisis what *I* will try if I get a lump. There's a terrific story on the webof a guy with a cancer on his tongue who used the black salve to remove it.He saved his face and probably his life. Plus, it is not an either/or - youtry this and if it does nothing, you can still do whatever your doctorrecommends. Don't try it without reading the book, however. It would evenbetter if you knew someone who could supervise the process.Or you could try Hulda 's protocal. Or you could find someone with aRIFE machine. (Good Luck.) Or... There are more options out there, allwith their own success stories, including really silly ones like red grapediets, etc. (I say silly but the people who cured their cancers this wayaren't joking around.)My point would be, if it is a cancer this is a stronger indicator

thatsomething ELSE is wrong. It would be wise not to get all bent out of shapeover the cancer - which it likely is NOT - until you know - or guess - whatthe underlying issue/s is/are. You might be able to get rid of a cancer butif you don't change your internal environment, you might grow others. Plus,it is more likely to be something else. You inhaled a marble when you werea toddler and built a cyst around it. You have a parasite. This is part ofthe twin you should have had!If you don't already, go ahead and learn EFT. You'll be glad you did,regardless. Dr. Mercola has a free manual on his website and you can seewhat there is free or cheap on Craigs' website. I used Mercola's for along time but I am very absorbed in Craig's purchased lessons.Fascinating. It will at least give you some distraction and a useful toolat the same time. Something to giggle

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You need to treat your thyroid. Take your temp three hours after you rise,

then another three hours, then another three hours. Your average should be

98.6 (oral). If it is not then your thyroid is not optimized.

Kate

At 07:57 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

>I have been taking my temp in the mornings for several days and it's never

>over 97....this is so aggravating. Now I'm being told by a lady on my

>low-carb board who seems very knowledgable about thyroid matters that not

>treating my thyroid and adding testosterone is only going to make me feel

>worse. Thoughts?

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I don't know about the testosterone part, but if you're truly hypo, then yes, you're going to feel worse if you don't get it treated.On 3/14/06, Pamr40

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I have been taking my temp in the mornings for several days and it's never over 97....this is so aggravating. Now I'm being told by a lady on my low-carb board who seems very knowledgable about thyroid matters that not treating my thyroid and adding testosterone is only going to make me feel worse. Thoughts?

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Oh, cool. I've looked into that, but never remember to do it! :)On 3/14/06, sle816@... <

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And convincing my dr of that.....that's the real challenge. This is wearing me down.Kate Guynn wrote: You need to treat your thyroid. Take your temp three hours after you rise, then another three hours, then another three hours. Your average should be 98.6 (oral). If it is not then your thyroid is not optimized.KateAt 07:57 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:>I have been taking my temp in the mornings for several days and it's never >over 97....this is so aggravating. Now I'm being told by a lady on my >low-carb board who seems very knowledgable about thyroid matters that not >treating my thyroid and adding testosterone is only going to make me feel >worse. Thoughts?

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Go see Dr. Launius in ville. If you are hypo, he will diagnose you. If he says you are not hypo, then you know for sure that you are not hypo.Pamr40 wrote: And convincing my dr of that.....that's the real challenge. This is wearing me down.Kate Guynn wrote: You need to treat your thyroid. Take your temp three hours after you rise, then another three hours, then another three hours. Your average should be 98.6 (oral). If it is not then your thyroid is not optimized.KateAt 07:57 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:>I have been taking my temp

in the mornings for several days and it's never >over 97....this is so aggravating. Now I'm being told by a lady on my >low-carb board who seems very knowledgable about thyroid matters that not >treating my thyroid and adding testosterone is only going to make me feel >worse. Thoughts?

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Some doctors are trainable. Some you need to leave and move on. I

encourage you to read up and print out articles to give to your

doctor. Give him/her a list of your symptoms. Why is your doctor saying

you don't need thyroid meds? Are you going to a GP or an Endo?

Kate

At 10:51 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

>And convincing my dr of that.....that's the real challenge. This is

>wearing me down.

>

>Kate Guynn wrote:

>You need to treat your thyroid. Take your temp three hours after you rise,

>then another three hours, then another three hours. Your average should be

>98.6 (oral). If it is not then your thyroid is not optimized.

>

>Kate

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Jan is right, IMHO. If you DO have low thyroid, low

testosterone, or low adrenal levels, you may feel bad

initially or even for awhile during the period where

you start to take thyroid meds in small amounts to

adjust your levels. This is just part of the process

for all of us.

The only way to really know for sure is to see a

doctor who is knowlegeable in these areas that can run

the appropriate blood tests and discuss your symptoms.

The low-carber that you talked to may be knowlegeable

about thyroid issues, or may not. The only way to

discern medical information is to a) read lots of

trusted books on the subject (which you can get from

the library), while seeing a trustworthy doctor.

Of course, all of this is my opinion, as I am not a

doctor or a medical professional of any kind.

Best wishes--

Courtenay

--- Jan wrote:

> Go see Dr. Launius in ville. If you are hypo,

> he will diagnose you. If he says you are not hypo,

> then you know for sure that you are not hypo.

> At 07:57 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

> >I have been taking my temp in the mornings for

> several days and it's never

> >over 97....this is so aggravating. Now I'm being

> told by a lady on my

> >low-carb board who seems very knowledgable about

> thyroid matters that not

> >treating my thyroid and adding testosterone is only

> going to make me feel

> >worse. Thoughts?

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Internal medicine...and he's very thorough! He's run more tests on me than I ever thought possible, and we aren't through. I really like the fact that he genuinely seems concerned and doesn't rush his patients at all. He agrees that my symptoms indicate thyroid, but he thinks my low testosterone and progesterone should be treated first and see if that resolves the problems.Kate Guynn wrote: Some doctors are trainable. Some you need to leave and move on. I encourage you to read up and print out articles to give to your doctor. Give him/her a list of your symptoms. Why is your doctor saying you don't need thyroid meds? Are you going to a GP or an Endo?KateAt 10:51 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:>And convincing my dr of that.....that's the real challenge.

This is >wearing me down.>>Kate Guynn wrote:>You need to treat your thyroid. Take your temp three hours after you rise,>then another three hours, then another three hours. Your average should be>98.6 (oral). If it is not then your thyroid is not optimized.>>Kate

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I'm glad he is taking time with you, however it all needs to be

treated. The thyroid is the master gland of your body. I'd tell him you

want to treat the thyroid first as that is where the symptoms are. Then

after a few months revise the other. You might find that the other

problems are a little more balanced then.

Kate

At 02:18 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

>Internal medicine...and he's very thorough! He's run more tests on me

>than I ever thought possible, and we aren't through. I really like the

>fact that he genuinely seems concerned and doesn't rush his patients at

>all. He agrees that my symptoms indicate thyroid, but he thinks my low

>testosterone and progesterone should be treated first and see if that

>resolves the problems.

>

>Kate Guynn wrote:

>Some doctors are trainable. Some you need to leave and move on. I

>encourage you to read up and print out articles to give to your

>doctor. Give him/her a list of your symptoms. Why is your doctor saying

>you don't need thyroid meds? Are you going to a GP or an Endo?

>

>Kate

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>At 10:51 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

> >And convincing my dr of that.....that's the real challenge. This is

> >wearing me down.

> >

> >Kate Guynn wrote:

> >You need to treat your thyroid. Take your temp three hours after you rise,

> >then another three hours, then another three hours. Your average should be

> >98.6 (oral). If it is not then your thyroid is not optimized.

> >

> >Kate

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Testosterone and progesterone can be started at the same time as thyroid meds. But this doc obviously has no intention of treating your thyroid. It is a low priority item on his list.Pamr40 wrote: Internal medicine...and he's very thorough! He's run more tests on me than I ever thought possible, and we aren't through. I really like the fact that he genuinely seems concerned and doesn't rush his patients at all. He agrees that my symptoms indicate thyroid, but he thinks my low testosterone and progesterone should be treated first and see if that resolves the problems.Kate Guynn wrote: Some doctors are trainable. Some you need to leave and move on. I encourage you to read up and print out articles to give to your doctor. Give him/her a list of your symptoms. Why is your doctor saying you don't need thyroid meds? Are you going to a GP or an Endo?KateAt 10:51 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:>And convincing my dr of that.....that's the real challenge. This is >wearing me down.>>Kate Guynn wrote:>You need to treat your thyroid. Take your temp three hours after you rise,>then another three hours, then another three hours. Your average should be>98.6 (oral). If it is not then your thyroid is not optimized.>>Kate

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Kate, I don't think this guy intends to treat her thyroid gland at all. Her numbers are "normal," and he keeps looking for something else that could explain her goiter. . . .Kate Guynn wrote: I'm glad he is taking time with you, however it all needs to be treated. The thyroid is the master gland of your body. I'd tell him you want to treat the thyroid first as that is where the symptoms are. Then after a few months revise the other. You might find that the other problems are a little more balanced then.KateAt 02:18 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:>Internal medicine...and he's very thorough! He's run more tests on me >than I ever thought possible, and we aren't through. I really

like the >fact that he genuinely seems concerned and doesn't rush his patients at >all. He agrees that my symptoms indicate thyroid, but he thinks my low >testosterone and progesterone should be treated first and see if that >resolves the problems.>>Kate Guynn wrote:>Some doctors are trainable. Some you need to leave and move on. I>encourage you to read up and print out articles to give to your>doctor. Give him/her a list of your symptoms. Why is your doctor saying>you don't need thyroid meds? Are you going to a GP or an Endo?>>Kate

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That's a very good idea! I'll do it!Kate Guynn wrote: I'm glad he is taking time with you, however it all needs to be treated. The thyroid is the master gland of your body. I'd tell him you want to treat the thyroid first as that is where the symptoms are. Then after a few months revise the other. You might find that the other problems are a little more balanced then.KateAt 02:18 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:>Internal medicine...and he's very thorough! He's run more tests on me >than I ever thought possible, and we aren't through. I really like the >fact that he genuinely seems concerned and doesn't rush his patients at >all. He agrees that my symptoms indicate thyroid, but he thinks my low >testosterone and progesterone should

be treated first and see if that >resolves the problems.>>Kate Guynn wrote:>Some doctors are trainable. Some you need to leave and move on. I>encourage you to read up and print out articles to give to your>doctor. Give him/her a list of your symptoms. Why is your doctor saying>you don't need thyroid meds? Are you going to a GP or an Endo?>>Kate>>>At 10:51 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:> >And convincing my dr of that.....that's the real challenge. This is> >wearing me down.> >> >Kate Guynn wrote:> >You need to treat your thyroid. Take your temp three hours after you rise,> >then another three hours, then another three hours. Your average should be> >98.6 (oral). If it is not then your thyroid is not optimized.> >>

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I agree! If she really want to stick with him and get treated she will

have to put her foot down.

Kate

At 02:30 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

>Kate, I don't think this guy intends to treat her thyroid gland at all.

>Her numbers are " normal, " and he keeps looking for something else that

>could explain her goiter. . . .

>

>Kate Guynn wrote:

>I'm glad he is taking time with you, however it all needs to be

>treated. The thyroid is the master gland of your body. I'd tell him you

>want to treat the thyroid first as that is where the symptoms are. Then

>after a few months revise the other. You might find that the other

>problems are a little more balanced then.

>

>Kate

>

>At 02:18 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

> >Internal medicine...and he's very thorough! He's run more tests on me

> >than I ever thought possible, and we aren't through. I really like the

> >fact that he genuinely seems concerned and doesn't rush his patients at

> >all. He agrees that my symptoms indicate thyroid, but he thinks my low

> >testosterone and progesterone should be treated first and see if that

> >resolves the problems.

> >

> >Kate Guynn wrote:

> >Some doctors are trainable. Some you need to leave and move on. I

> >encourage you to read up and print out articles to give to your

> >doctor. Give him/her a list of your symptoms. Why is your doctor saying

> >you don't need thyroid meds? Are you going to a GP or an Endo?

> >

> >Kate

>

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And like Jan said, the can be treated at the same time. If you really want

to stick with him, you will need to stand you ground. I would bring a

thyroid symptom check list with you. Also take a look at

http://www.thyroid-info.com There are some articles worth printing

out. Read, read, read and then stand your ground. I honestly think that

if he is unwilling to do this, you need to move on. Refresh me, where are you?

Kate

At 02:33 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

>That's a very good idea! I'll do it!

>

>Kate Guynn wrote:

>I'm glad he is taking time with you, however it all needs to be

>treated. The thyroid is the master gland of your body. I'd tell him you

>want to treat the thyroid first as that is where the symptoms are. Then

>after a few months revise the other. You might find that the other

>problems are a little more balanced then.

>

>Kate

>

>At 02:18 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

> >Internal medicine...and he's very thorough! He's run more tests on me

> >than I ever thought possible, and we aren't through. I really like the

> >fact that he genuinely seems concerned and doesn't rush his patients at

> >all. He agrees that my symptoms indicate thyroid, but he thinks my low

> >testosterone and progesterone should be treated first and see if that

> >resolves the problems.

> >

> >Kate Guynn wrote:

> >Some doctors are trainable. Some you need to leave and move on. I

> >encourage you to read up and print out articles to give to your

> >doctor. Give him/her a list of your symptoms. Why is your doctor saying

> >you don't need thyroid meds? Are you going to a GP or an Endo?

> >

> >Kate

> >

> >

> >At 10:51 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

> > >And convincing my dr of that.....that's the real challenge. This is

> > >wearing me down.

> > >

> > >Kate Guynn wrote:

> > >You need to treat your thyroid. Take your temp three hours after you rise,

> > >then another three hours, then another three hours. Your average should be

> > >98.6 (oral). If it is not then your thyroid is not optimized.

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I'm in Dallas. I'll print this out and take it with me. I'm going Friday for a CT Scan for a nodule he found in my lung - so I can't leave him until this is resolved. And to be honest, when I was in last week for my lab results I was so stunned to find out about this nodule I left without forcing the thyroid issue. My bad! But I will tell him I don't care what the labs show, I know what my body says and if he isn't willing to help me resolve it, I'll find a dr who will. Kate Guynn wrote: And like Jan said, the can be treated at the same time. If you really want to stick with him, you will need to stand you ground. I would bring a thyroid symptom check list with you. Also take a look at http://www.thyroid-info.com There are some articles worth printing out. Read, read, read and then stand your ground. I honestly think that if he is unwilling to do this, you need to move on. Refresh me, where are you?KateAt 02:33 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:>That's a very good idea! I'll do it!>>Kate Guynn wrote:>I'm glad he is taking time with you, however it all needs to be>treated. The thyroid is the master gland of your body. I'd tell him you>want to treat the thyroid first as that is where the symptoms are. Then>after a few months revise the other. You might find that the other>problems are a little more balanced then.>>Kate>>At 02:18 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:> >Internal medicine...and he's very thorough! He's run more tests on

me> >than I ever thought possible, and we aren't through. I really like the> >fact that he genuinely seems concerned and doesn't rush his patients at> >all. He agrees that my symptoms indicate thyroid, but he thinks my low> >testosterone and progesterone should be treated first and see if that> >resolves the problems.> >> >Kate Guynn wrote:> >Some doctors are trainable. Some you need to leave and move on. I> >encourage you to read up and print out articles to give to your> >doctor. Give him/her a list of your symptoms. Why is your doctor saying> >you don't need thyroid meds? Are you going to a GP or an Endo?> >> >Kate> >> >> >At 10:51 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:> > >And convincing my dr of that.....that's the real challenge. This is> >

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It's understandable for you to be sidetracked! Unfortunately we have to

research and take a stand for our health these days. I'm praying the lung

nodule is nothing! Hang in there!

Kate

At 03:35 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

>I'm in Dallas. I'll print this out and take it with me. I'm going Friday

>for a CT Scan for a nodule he found in my lung - so I can't leave him

>until this is resolved. And to be honest, when I was in last week for my

>lab results I was so stunned to find out about this nodule I left without

>forcing the thyroid issue. My bad! But I will tell him I don't care what

>the labs show, I know what my body says and if he isn't willing to help me

>resolve it, I'll find a dr who will.

>

>Kate Guynn wrote:

>And like Jan said, the can be treated at the same time. If you really want

>to stick with him, you will need to stand you ground. I would bring a

>thyroid symptom check list with you. Also take a look at

><http://www.thyroid-info.com/>http://www.thyroid-info.com There are

>some articles worth printing

>out. Read, read, read and then stand your ground. I honestly think that

>if he is unwilling to do this, you need to move on. Refresh me, where are

>you?

>

>Kate

>

>

>At 02:33 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

> >That's a very good idea! I'll do it!

> >

> >Kate Guynn wrote:

> >I'm glad he is taking time with you, however it all needs to be

> >treated. The thyroid is the master gland of your body. I'd tell him you

> >want to treat the thyroid first as that is where the symptoms are. Then

> >after a few months revise the other. You might find that the other

> >problems are a little more balanced then.

> >

> >Kate

> >

> >At 02:18 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

> > >Internal medicine...and he's very thorough! He's run more tests on me

> > >than I ever thought possible, and we aren't through. I really like the

> > >fact that he genuinely seems concerned and doesn't rush his patients at

> > >all. He agrees that my symptoms indicate thyroid, but he thinks my low

> > >testosterone and progesterone should be treated first and see if that

> > >resolves the problems.

> > >

> > >Kate Guynn wrote:

> > >Some doctors are trainable. Some you need to leave and move on. I

> > >encourage you to read up and print out articles to give to your

> > >doctor. Give him/her a list of your symptoms. Why is your doctor saying

> > >you don't need thyroid meds? Are you going to a GP or an Endo?

> > >

> > >Kate

> > >

> > >

> > >At 10:51 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

> > > >And convincing my dr of that.....that's the real challenge. This is

> > > >wearing me down.

> > > >

> > > >Kate Guynn wrote:

> > > >You need to treat your thyroid. Take your temp three hours after you

> rise,

> > > >then another three hours, then another three hours. Your average

> should be

> > > >98.6 (oral). If it is not then your thyroid is not optimized.

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Or go to someone else for thyroid.Kate Guynn wrote: I agree! If she really want to stick with him and get treated she will have to put her foot down.KateAt 02:30 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:>Kate, I don't think this guy intends to treat her thyroid gland at all. >Her numbers are "normal," and he keeps looking for something else that >could explain her goiter. . . .>>Kate Guynn wrote:>I'm glad he is taking time with you, however it all needs to be>treated. The thyroid is the master gland of your body. I'd tell him you>want to treat the thyroid first as that is where the symptoms are. Then>after a few months revise the

other. You might find that the other>problems are a little more balanced then.>>Kate>>At 02:18 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:> >Internal medicine...and he's very thorough! He's run more tests on me> >than I ever thought possible, and we aren't through. I really like the> >fact that he genuinely seems concerned and doesn't rush his patients at> >all. He agrees that my symptoms indicate thyroid, but he thinks my low> >testosterone and progesterone should be treated first and see if that> >resolves the problems.> >> >Kate Guynn wrote:> >Some doctors are trainable. Some you need to leave and move on. I> >encourage you to read up and print out articles to give to your> >doctor. Give him/her a list of your symptoms. Why is your doctor saying> >you don't need thyroid

meds? Are you going to a GP or an Endo?> >> >Kate

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