Squats

[Guest guest]

>[similarly, my knees feel far less painful when I am full squatting

regularly

>with quite heavy weights. Machine leg extensions always tend to be very

uncomfortable.

>Do any other members of this group have the same experience? Mel Siff ]

Mel,

I too have had this same experience. When I started weight training in my

early teens I had always included leg extensions as part of my workouts.

In my early twenties I experienced knee pain for the first time in my life.

Despite wrestling and football over the years I had been injury free. So I

could not understand where this sudden knee pain had come from. After

reading an article somewhere along the line stating that the leg extension

can be very hard on the knee and unnatural to the knee, I eliminated leg

extensions. The knee pain ended immediately, I now only do various

different types of squats(overhead squat included) and occasionally leg

curls. In reference to my statement about the leg extension being

unnatural, I recall reading on several occasions that the force put on the

knee in the locked position mimics no other natural movement of the body

and is very hard on the knee joint. Has anyone else heard this? I am not

claiming the statement to be fact, but eliminating the leg extension only

seems to of helped my progress as well as eliminating any knee pain.

Buffington

Mechanicsburg, PA

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Feet placement determines what muscles you work. If your toes are

outward (like a ballerina) you will work more of you inner thigh. If

your feet are pointing forward you will work your quads more. Make

sure when you place your feet they are far enough ahead of you (like

you are leaning back on the bar, and when you go down, your knees form

a 90 degree angle. Hope this helps! Congrats on your squats, most

people don't even try them!!!

Blessings,

CYnthia

> I did my first complete set of squats (using a smith machine) last

> night. OMG! That was pure hell, but the good kind. This morning

> I'm feeling a bit sore, but I'm feeling the soreness in my inner

> thigh area. Was I doing them wrong?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , that makes sense. I have to stick with them now...

anything that burns like that has to be working!

> Hey ,

>

> Feet placement determines what muscles you work. If your toes are

> outward (like a ballerina) you will work more of you inner thigh.

If

> your feet are pointing forward you will work your quads more. Make

> sure when you place your feet they are far enough ahead of you (like

> you are leaning back on the bar, and when you go down, your knees

form

> a 90 degree angle. Hope this helps! Congrats on your squats, most

> people don't even try them!!!

>

> Blessings,

> CYnthia

[Guest guest]

, thank you for the kind words. I am feeling better as the day

goes on.

As for the barbell squats. Do you work out at a gym. If so, there

should be a " rack " that you would take the barbell on and off of. I

think that you could put a pretty significant amount of weight on and

be able to get it back onto the rack w/out a problem. As for being a

dork, I don't think so, I am afraid of falling over with a barbell,

so (bad me-not taking my own advise) I still use the smith machine.

I'll get there, but I totally understand how you feel.

Brett in Idaho, too

> OK, here's my question...is it safe to do barbell squats without a

> spotter? Am I a dork for even worrying about that? I work out alone

and

> don't really see that changing.

>

> I don't know why I'm so intimidated by them. I do dumbbell squats

but

> I'm just not hitting a 10, and I think my arms & hands would give

out

> trying to hold heavy enough dumbbells. I get sore from my leg

workouts,

> but it always feels like I could challenge myself a whole lot more

than

> I do.

>

> So, what do you all think? Quit whining and squat? Yeah, probably

so.

>

> in ID

> (slapping whiner-self into silence)

[Guest guest]

With squats, you need to be careful with your back and make sure you

keep your form. You don't need a spotter in my opinion - just watch

your form to protect your back. If you want more challenge for your

legs, see if you can find a high step or something at home that might

work like a high step. I use the Firm's step, which is two steps in

one put together to make a step almost as high as your knee. I do

high step-ups with as much weight in each hand as I can stand - it

really works. I also do lunges with the smaller step. I do two

different sets of lunges - one where I lunge onto the step and one

where I lunge backwards - off the step. You can also get a kitchen

table chair - put your bent leg in the chair behind you and bend the

other knee - does that make sense? You would be in a lunge position,

but your back leg is in the chair.

> OK, here's my question...is it safe to do barbell squats without a

> spotter? Am I a dork for even worrying about that? I work out alone

and

> don't really see that changing.

>

> I don't know why I'm so intimidated by them. I do dumbbell squats

but

> I'm just not hitting a 10, and I think my arms & hands would give

out

> trying to hold heavy enough dumbbells. I get sore from my leg

workouts,

> but it always feels like I could challenge myself a whole lot more

than

> I do.

>

> So, what do you all think? Quit whining and squat? Yeah, probably

so.

>

> in ID

> (slapping whiner-self into silence)

[Guest guest]

I'm glad you're feeling better.

I work out at the Y, so there are good options available as far as

equipment goes. I'm more afraid of having my legs give out at the

" bottom " of the rep than anything else...I guess I just keep picturing a

moment this past summer (during a dance performance) when I asked a

little too much of my quads and when I started to stand back up, halfway

there they just said " nope, not doing it " and I fell right onto my butt!

That was more of an endurance issue though.

I should probably just a) Suck it up and ask one of the Y employees to

show me what to do, and start light enough that I'll know I can get

back up.

Thanks for the advice!

Brett wrote:

> , thank you for the kind words. I am feeling better as the day

> goes on.

>

> As for the barbell squats. Do you work out at a gym. If so, there

> should be a " rack " that you would take the barbell on and off of. I

> think that you could put a pretty significant amount of weight on and

> be able to get it back onto the rack w/out a problem. As for being a

> dork, I don't think so, I am afraid of falling over with a barbell,

> so (bad me-not taking my own advise) I still use the smith machine.

> I'll get there, but I totally understand how you feel.

>

> Brett in Idaho, too

>

>

> > OK, here's my question...is it safe to do barbell squats without a

> > spotter? Am I a dork for even worrying about that? I work out alone

> and

> > don't really see that changing.

> >

> > I don't know why I'm so intimidated by them. I do dumbbell squats

> but

> > I'm just not hitting a 10, and I think my arms & hands would give

> out

> > trying to hold heavy enough dumbbells. I get sore from my leg

> workouts,

> > but it always feels like I could challenge myself a whole lot more

> than

> > I do.

> >

> > So, what do you all think? Quit whining and squat? Yeah, probably

> so.

> >

> > in ID

> > (slapping whiner-self into silence)

>

>

> *

[Guest guest]

Wow, thanks...that does sound really challenging!

(aiming to leave the gym with shaky legs!)

beckyjdean wrote:

> With squats, you need to be careful with your back and make sure you

> keep your form. You don't need a spotter in my opinion - just watch

> your form to protect your back. If you want more challenge for your

> legs, see if you can find a high step or something at home that might

> work like a high step. I use the Firm's step, which is two steps in

> one put together to make a step almost as high as your knee. I do

> high step-ups with as much weight in each hand as I can stand - it

> really works. I also do lunges with the smaller step. I do two

> different sets of lunges - one where I lunge onto the step and one

> where I lunge backwards - off the step. You can also get a kitchen

> table chair - put your bent leg in the chair behind you and bend the

> other knee - does that make sense? You would be in a lunge position,

> but your back leg is in the chair.

>

>

> > OK, here's my question...is it safe to do barbell squats without a

> > spotter? Am I a dork for even worrying about that? I work out alone

> and

> > don't really see that changing.

> >

> > I don't know why I'm so intimidated by them. I do dumbbell squats

> but

> > I'm just not hitting a 10, and I think my arms & hands would give

> out

> > trying to hold heavy enough dumbbells. I get sore from my leg

> workouts,

> > but it always feels like I could challenge myself a whole lot more

> than

> > I do.

> >

> > So, what do you all think? Quit whining and squat? Yeah, probably

> so.

> >

> > in ID

> > (slapping whiner-self into silence)

>

>

> *

[Guest guest]

If you are going to the gym, they may have a reebok step that you can

use - just put 2 or 3 spacers under it for the high step ups. and

you can use a weight bench to prop your back leg on for the lunges I

mentioned.

> > > OK, here's my question...is it safe to do barbell squats

without a

> > > spotter? Am I a dork for even worrying about that? I work out

alone

> > and

> > > don't really see that changing.

> > >

> > > I don't know why I'm so intimidated by them. I do dumbbell

squats

> > but

> > > I'm just not hitting a 10, and I think my arms & hands would

give

> > out

> > > trying to hold heavy enough dumbbells. I get sore from my leg

> > workouts,

> > > but it always feels like I could challenge myself a whole lot

more

> > than

> > > I do.

> > >

> > > So, what do you all think? Quit whining and squat? Yeah,

probably

> > so.

> > >

> > > in ID

> > > (slapping whiner-self into silence)

> >

> >

> > *

[Guest guest]

I have some questions to ask you before I answer:

1 -- Do you work out in a gym? If so, does the gym have a squat rack?

2 -- Do you work out at home? If so, do you have a rack of any kind set up?

Do you have a manta-ray attachment for the bar to make it rest easier on

your shoulders?

Su the Hobbit

Squats

> OK, here's my question...is it safe to do barbell squats without a

> spotter? Am I a dork for even worrying about that? I work out alone and

> don't really see that changing.

>

> I don't know why I'm so intimidated by them. I do dumbbell squats but

> I'm just not hitting a 10, and I think my arms & hands would give out

> trying to hold heavy enough dumbbells. I get sore from my leg workouts,

> but it always feels like I could challenge myself a whole lot more than

> I do.

>

> So, what do you all think? Quit whining and squat? Yeah, probably so.

>

> in ID

> (slapping whiner-self into silence)

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Su,

I work out at the YMCA. There is a squat rack, in fact I have even used

it once or twice, with a workout buddy, about a hundred years ago when I

felt strong and confident. I usually don't try to do LBWO at home

because all I have is dumbbells ranging from 5-25 pounds.

Su wrote:

> I have some questions to ask you before I answer:

>

> 1 -- Do you work out in a gym? If so, does the gym have a squat rack?

> 2 -- Do you work out at home? If so, do you have a rack of any kind

> set up?

> Do you have a manta-ray attachment for the bar to make it rest easier on

> your shoulders?

>

> Su the Hobbit

>

>

> Squats

>

>

> > OK, here's my question...is it safe to do barbell squats without a

> > spotter? Am I a dork for even worrying about that? I work out alone and

> > don't really see that changing.

> >

> > I don't know why I'm so intimidated by them. I do dumbbell squats but

> > I'm just not hitting a 10, and I think my arms & hands would give out

> > trying to hold heavy enough dumbbells. I get sore from my leg workouts,

> > but it always feels like I could challenge myself a whole lot more than

> > I do.

> >

> > So, what do you all think? Quit whining and squat? Yeah, probably so.

> >

> > in ID

> > (slapping whiner-self into silence)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Also, the racks have these safety bars on the sides. Put them in the

holes that represent the lowest part of your squat(how low you think

the bar will go). That way, if you drop the bar the safety bars

will " catch " it and it won't fall on you. All you'll do is fall on

your butt on what is hopefully a rubber mat surface.

Stasia

[Guest guest]

Cool! Thanks, Stasia!

I'm fully willing to fall on my butt. As long as I'm not going to get

hurt doing it.

:-)

S Bachrach wrote:

> Also, the racks have these safety bars on the sides. Put them in the

> holes that represent the lowest part of your squat(how low you think

> the bar will go). That way, if you drop the bar the safety bars

> will " catch " it and it won't fall on you. All you'll do is fall on

> your butt on what is hopefully a rubber mat surface.

>

> Stasia

>

>

> *

[Guest guest]

-I used to do barbell squats without a spotter, but as time when on I

realized I worked myself harder to reach a 10 and couldn't get the

bar back over my head. So now I do dumbbell squats so I can drop

them if I have too. and I finally bought wrist straps so no I can

use a heavier weight. But boy do I want a machine for my birthday

Bridgette

-- In , " S Bachrach "

<s_bachrach@y...> wrote:

> Also, the racks have these safety bars on the sides. Put them in

the

> holes that represent the lowest part of your squat(how low you

think

> the bar will go). That way, if you drop the bar the safety bars

> will " catch " it and it won't fall on you. All you'll do is fall on

> your butt on what is hopefully a rubber mat surface.

>

> Stasia

[Guest guest]

EXACTLY! I do this with my rack at home. I also used to do bench presses

in the rack because I could use the safeties to spot me.

Su the Hobbit

Re: Squats

> Also, the racks have these safety bars on the sides. Put them in the

> holes that represent the lowest part of your squat(how low you think

> the bar will go). That way, if you drop the bar the safety bars

> will " catch " it and it won't fall on you. All you'll do is fall on

> your butt on what is hopefully a rubber mat surface.

>

> Stasia

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

When you squat, do you allow your hips to go lower than your knees? I

do believe that the femur parallel to the floor is the way to go. Not

only will you risk injury without any further benefit going lower, but

your center of gravity shifts forward, making it more difficult to

maintain a heavy load.

Just my two cents' worth.

~ Deanna, who is all adjusted to lifting now, so heavy loads and low

volume I go!

[Guest guest]

[Deanna]

Hi

When you squat, do you allow your hips to go lower than your knees? I

do believe that the femur parallel to the floor is the way to go. Not

only will you risk injury without any further benefit going lower, but

your center of gravity shifts forward, making it more difficult to

maintain a heavy load.

_____________________________

[CHRIS]

I go as far down as is possible, which brings my hips below my knees.

I really don't know about the risk of injury, but since olympic lifters lift

like this I imagine that the risk of injury, while perhaps greater than

parallel squats, can't be extreme. I imagine kettlebells also have a high risk

of

injury, and I imagine that the bent press has the potential to serious damage a

person's rotator cuff if it isn't done with care.

It is quite obvious to me that full squats *are* more beneficial than

half-assed squats, simply by the experience of doing them. When I look in the

mirror, I can see that my calf muscles are stimulated more the further I go

down,

for example.

As to decreasing weight, I agree. I don't know if it lowers the maximum

limit one could do, but I definitely can lift greater weight at a given strenth

and period in my training with half-assed squats ( ;-) ) than with full squats.

I feel much more comfortable with the weight I'm using. I'm not sure exactly

why, but I think it is related to the unambiguous stopping point of my butt

hitting my legs versus the very imprecise stopping point of regular squats

(from the perspective of the squatter in action anyway).

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

I'm not but I do full squats too and really think they are superior.

Those half-way squats just MURDER me when I try to reverse direction. I have

a lot more power when I get all the way to the bottom and push back up.

Christie

[Guest guest]

> [Deanna]

>

> Hi

>

> When you squat, do you allow your hips to go lower than your knees? I

> do believe that the femur parallel to the floor is the way to go. Not

> only will you risk injury without any further benefit going lower, but

> your center of gravity shifts forward, making it more difficult to

> maintain a heavy load.

> _____________________________

>

> [CHRIS]

>

> I go as far down as is possible, which brings my hips below my knees.

>

> I really don't know about the risk of injury, but since olympic

lifters lift

> like this I imagine that the risk of injury, while perhaps greater than

> parallel squats, can't be extreme. I imagine kettlebells also have

a high risk of

> injury, and I imagine that the bent press has the potential to

serious damage a

> person's rotator cuff if it isn't done with care.

>

> It is quite obvious to me that full squats *are* more beneficial than

> half-assed squats, simply by the experience of doing them. When I

look in the

> mirror, I can see that my calf muscles are stimulated more the

further I go down,

> for example.

>

> As to decreasing weight, I agree. I don't know if it lowers the

maximum

> limit one could do, but I definitely can lift greater weight at a

given strenth

> and period in my training with half-assed squats ( ;-) ) than with

full squats.

> I feel much more comfortable with the weight I'm using. I'm not

sure exactly

> why, but I think it is related to the unambiguous stopping point of

my butt

> hitting my legs versus the very imprecise stopping point of regular

squats

> (from the perspective of the squatter in action anyway).

>

> Chris/tie,

This thread is worthless without pics!

B.

[Guest guest]

I've been working with a trainer off and on for the past several years and

this guy is an Olympic lift master. He's also a real stickler for form and

has taught me the ins and outs of squatting properly. He's got a BS from

Rutgers in exercise physiology and cut his teeth training their wrestling

team.

So here's the deal. The whole key to squat depth is based on the

flexibility of your hip girdle. That can be determined by figuring out how

deep you can go before your back starts to round. Squatting with heavy

weight requires a flat back -- to include the hips. You are correct that

Olympic lifters squat to the floor but they can only do that after training

their backs to stay flat through the entire range of motion. As the back

begins to round under heavy load the risk of damage to the spine goes

through the roof. Compressed disks, slipped disks, etc.

To figure out how deep you can go put an unloaded Olympic bar across your

shoulders and stand sideways next to a mirror. Squat down slowly while

watching your hips and lower back. At some point you will see your butt and

hips begin to roll downwards. The point at which this happens is determined

by the tightness of your hip flexors, hamstrings and quads. You want to

squat to the depth that your hips do not roll.

If you want to squat more deeply you have to stretch the above mentioned

muscles until you are able to increase your range of motion while

maintaining a flat back.

Back rounding is not a problem with bodyweight squats. In fact, there are

some who would argue that it's good for you and should be practiced

regularly. We are discussing squatting with weights heavier than your 20RM.

Hope this was helpful,

Ron

>

> I go as far down as is possible, which brings my hips below my knees.

>

> I really don't know about the risk of injury, but since

> olympic lifters lift

> like this I imagine that the risk of injury, while perhaps

> greater than

> parallel squats, can't be extreme. I imagine kettlebells

> also have a high risk of

> injury, and I imagine that the bent press has the potential

> to serious damage a

> person's rotator cuff if it isn't done with care.

[Guest guest]

>So here's the deal. The whole key to squat depth is based on the

>flexibility of your hip girdle. That can be determined by figuring out how

>deep you can go before your back starts to round. Squatting with heavy

>weight requires a flat back -- to include the hips. You are correct that

>Olympic lifters squat to the floor but they can only do that after training

>their backs to stay flat through the entire range of motion. As the back

>begins to round under heavy load the risk of damage to the spine goes

>through the roof. Compressed disks, slipped disks, etc.

>

>To figure out how deep you can go put an unloaded Olympic bar across your

>shoulders and stand sideways next to a mirror. Squat down slowly while

>watching your hips and lower back. At some point you will see your butt and

>hips begin to roll downwards. The point at which this happens is determined

>by the tightness of your hip flexors, hamstrings and quads. You want to

>squat to the depth that your hips do not roll.

>

>If you want to squat more deeply you have to stretch the above mentioned

>muscles until you are able to increase your range of motion while

>maintaining a flat back.

>

>Back rounding is not a problem with bodyweight squats. In fact, there are

>some who would argue that it's good for you and should be practiced

>regularly. We are discussing squatting with weights heavier than your 20RM.

>

>Hope this was helpful,

>

>Ron

>

Ron,

This information is very helpful. The knees come into play here too (I

have knee issues), but the low back is an even bigger consideration.

I did your test and I can keep a flat back full range. However, I won't

be risking injury doing these *full* squats. I possess L6 (an extra

lumbar vertebra), which 10% of the population has. Some claim we are

aliens, lol. This has had the effect in me to make the lower arch more

pronounced. So in my case, no rounding exists in this type of squat,

but the potential for injury does. Herniated discs are a real concern

for me because of my particular anatomy. I have seen my spine via

x-ray, and those last few lumbars look to be in a precarious position

with the discs just waiting to ooze anteriorly with the wrong move.

Compression will occur when you bear weight against gravity in any

exercise. In my case, I am performing 10RM squats, dealifts of both

varieties and a few other things that require movement against gravity

free weights, 3 days a week (of total body blast each day).

I used to work as a trainer, and used to be up on all this stuff. But I

am not now. I wasn't even thinking about the compression issues of my

new and present workout. So I thank you for bringing this up. I shall

diligently perform yoga inversions post workout to ensure a release of

my poor little discs. And I also vow to make my abdominals much stronger.

Regards,

Deanna

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/7/05 8:14:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, rbjr@...

writes:

> So here's the deal. The whole key to squat depth is based on the

> flexibility of your hip girdle. That can be determined by figuring out how

> deep you can go before your back starts to round. Squatting with heavy

> weight requires a flat back -- to include the hips. You are correct that

> Olympic lifters squat to the floor but they can only do that after training

> their backs to stay flat through the entire range of motion. As the back

> begins to round under heavy load the risk of damage to the spine goes

> through the roof. Compressed disks, slipped disks, etc.

____

Thanks. My back does not round at all, despite going as far down as is

physically possible. I cannot go to the floor, because my butt hits my legs

before

it gets there. I guess my femur would have to be longer?

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi Deanna ( too),

Sounds like you have great workout regimen.

I was a little surprised that both of you could go butt to heels with no

rollover (despite additional vertebrae :-) ) so I went back and re-read my

description and did a little mirror work myself. Let me redo my description

with an emphasis on the tailbone or coccyx. As you descend into the squat

you may be able to keep your back flat through the whole range of motion but

there may also be a point where your tailbone begins to roll under or

forward. So look carefully for that.

I haven't been able to do heavy squats for about a year due to shoulder

injuries and surgery so I've tightened up nicely. My tailbone begins to

roll down and under right at a point before my thighs are parallel to the

floor. My back is still flat but my hips have pronated. You can modify the

point at which your hips begin to roll by a concerted program of stretching

and proper warm up.

It is that hip roll that causes the intervertebral joints in and between

your lower back and sacrum to bend and compress. Applying a heavy load at

your shoulders while any of the vertebral joints are bent or flexing (from

your head to your tailbone) is where the risk lies. A good picture is to

visualize a skeleton and all of the nice soft disks between all of the

joints of the spine from top to bottom. With a heavy load up top you want

each joint to be in it's naturally relaxed and even state with each disk

absorbing the weight (compression) evenly all around with no pinched spots

anywhere in the chain. I think you both understand that already.

As to your having an additional vertebra -- I've never heard of that before

and it does add some complexity to your program. I read something several

years ago that put spinal compression all in perspective for me. Apparently

if you were able to completely remove a healthy spinal column from an adult

human from the coccyx to the skull and were then able to hold it perfectly

straight while not giving it any additional support it would be able to

support about 20 to 25 pounds of weight before snapping. So a healthy human

skeletal system without any muscular support can hold 25 pounds of

compressive weight before breaking. Now picture a power lifter squatting a

thousand pounds. How can that happen? It's all in the muscles. With

proper training and proper muscular development the back and trunk can

support tremendous load. The spine itself is very weak, however. With

improper training and improper development injury occurs.

Here's a fun picture of a deep squat and a good website to boot. Krista is

a real character and has lots of good stuff to say about weightlifting.

http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html

Cheers,

Ron

>

> This information is very helpful. The knees come into play

> here too (I

> have knee issues), but the low back is an even bigger consideration.

>

> I did your test and I can keep a flat back full range.

> However, I won't

> be risking injury doing these *full* squats. I possess L6 (an extra

> lumbar vertebra), which 10% of the population has. Some claim we are

> aliens, lol. This has had the effect in me to make the lower

> arch more

> pronounced. So in my case, no rounding exists in this type of squat,

> but the potential for injury does. Herniated discs are a

> real concern

> for me because of my particular anatomy. I have seen my spine via

> x-ray, and those last few lumbars look to be in a precarious position

> with the discs just waiting to ooze anteriorly with the wrong move.

>

> Compression will occur when you bear weight against gravity in any

> exercise. In my case, I am performing 10RM squats, dealifts of both

> varieties and a few other things that require movement

> against gravity

> free weights, 3 days a week (of total body blast each day).

>

> I used to work as a trainer, and used to be up on all this

> stuff. But I

> am not now. I wasn't even thinking about the compression

> issues of my

> new and present workout. So I thank you for bringing this

> up. I shall

> diligently perform yoga inversions post workout to ensure a

> release of

> my poor little discs. And I also vow to make my abdominals

> much stronger.

>

> Regards,

> Deanna

>

>

[Guest guest]

LOL! Well, the knee stress has nothing to do with bouncing at the

bottom of the movement (nor at the top, for that matter). It simply

has to do with the exponential increase in shearing pressure on the

knee joint when you get your butt lower than your knees.

Best regards,

Celeste

Dave Narby wrote:

> Well for me, if I don't bounce at the bottom they don't hurt my

knees. Not like

> I'm pumping out the one-legged squats anyway, mind you... ; )

>

> Celeste wrote:

> | In 2000 I had arthroscopic knee surgery to repair some cartilage and

> | remove some cartilage. I would not do any type of full flexion squat.

> | It's very stressful on the knee joint (both the ligaments and the

> | cartilage) to do any squat further than knees parallel to the floor. I

> | also avoid any exercise where my knee ends up in front of my toes. I

> | wish I had know about that before I injured my knee. Perhaps I could

> | have prevented the injury. BTW, I do think that one legged squats are

> | a great way to develop power, balance, and coordination . . . just not

> | performed ankle-to-ass.

[Guest guest]

I guess I'm just lucky then...

| LOL! Well, the knee stress has nothing to do with bouncing at the

| bottom of the movement (nor at the top, for that matter). It simply

| has to do with the exponential increase in shearing pressure on the

| knee joint when you get your butt lower than your knees.

|

| Best regards,

| Celeste

|

| Dave Narby wrote:

| > Well for me, if I don't bounce at the bottom they don't hurt my

| knees. Not like

| > I'm pumping out the one-legged squats anyway, mind you... ; )

| >

| > Celeste wrote:

| > | In 2000 I had arthroscopic knee surgery to repair some cartilage and

| > | remove some cartilage. I would not do any type of full flexion squat.

| > | It's very stressful on the knee joint (both the ligaments and the

| > | cartilage) to do any squat further than knees parallel to the floor. I

| > | also avoid any exercise where my knee ends up in front of my toes. I

| > | wish I had know about that before I injured my knee. Perhaps I could

| > | have prevented the injury. BTW, I do think that one legged squats are

| > | a great way to develop power, balance, and coordination . . . just not

| > | performed ankle-to-ass.

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