Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Everybody loves Gene! >As far as being rude, I forget to sign my posts. Sorry if that offends you. >Cute analogy with a phone call, but I don't think that it's very similar. I >am not 'hanging up' out of anger. > >GENE > " I am taking note at your popularity among women as I listen to this clarinet piece in F minor by Mendelson. I see it is a successful tactic to " leave people hanging " as it were, as it generates so much interest in you, mainly by women! But then, perhaps it is not your purpose and only your innate " charm at work " oh Romeo! Cheers! Deanna " I guess I am a direct person, which offends people. What I find is that a lot of people on this list like to insult by round about ways. Like this post...Whatever. I should stop now because I'm getting royally pissed off. I should just go back to making strange sounds on my various and sundry synthesizers, and stop reading this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 >I guess I am a direct person, which offends people. What I find is that a >lot of people on this list like to insult by round about ways. Like this >post...Whatever. > >I should stop now because I'm getting royally pissed off. I should just go >back to making strange sounds on my various and sundry synthesizers, and >stop reading this stuff. > You misunderstand me. I have written proof of my true regards for you today to others. Others may speak out as they feel inclined. I think you have argued with me fairly concerning bodybuilding recently, and I honestly am a kidster, just as you are direct. So there. But as you have insulted and assume I am playing with you, my remarks are not meant as an insult. I am a joker. They are only a speaking up Because, I have also noted, since your return, an incessant needling by some old timers as to your temper, etc. This I find unfair. I think dialogue should be fresh and grudges be dropped if they exist. And direct is best. Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Re: Everybody loves Gene! >I guess I am a direct person, which offends people. What I find is that a >lot of people on this list like to insult by round about ways. Like this >post...Whatever. > >I should stop now because I'm getting royally pissed off. I should just go >back to making strange sounds on my various and sundry synthesizers, and >stop reading this stuff. > " You misunderstand me. I have written proof of my true regards for you today to others. Others may speak out as they feel inclined. I think you have argued with me fairly concerning bodybuilding recently, and I honestly am a kidster, just as you are direct. So there. But as you have insulted and assume I am playing with you, my remarks are not meant as an insult. I am a joker. They are only a speaking up Because, I have also noted, since your return, an incessant needling by some old timers as to your temper, etc. This I find unfair. I think dialogue should be fresh and grudges be dropped if they exist. And direct is best. " Sorry - I think that your post can be read as joking, but with an underlying nastiness. Which doesn't mean that you meant it that way, so I'm sorry if I took it that way in the context of the other posts... I'm not sure what you mean by your " true regards " for me. I am certainly not into grudges, except when they are protective...i.e. with one or two people, since I know what will inevitably happen when I dialogue with them, I hold a grudge to remind me not to get too deep into a conversation. But, other than those, I generally forget whom I've gotten annoyed with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Gene, >I should stop now because I'm getting royally pissed off. I should just go >back to making strange sounds on my various and sundry synthesizers, and >stop reading this stuff. > What types of keyboards do you have? My older brother is quite into that. When I run, I listen to music like: Genesis - Seconds Out Bill Bruford - One of a Kind Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Trilogy, Brain Salad Surgery Rush - Moving Pictures, 2112, A Farewell to Kings, etc. U2 - Unforgettable Fire, War Yes - Tormato, Drama, Fragile, Big Generator, 90125 Led Zeppelin - Houses of the Holy Warsaw - Hors Galore, Battleska Gallactica, The Kind Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall, Meddle 3 Minute Hero - Everyday Ninjas etc. I miss the album, I think it was called " Return to Forever " by Majestic Warrior. It had Stanley , Al Demiola and all these jazz greats. Shit, I should ask about it, it was kick ass music. Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 >I'm not sure what you mean by your " true regards " for me. > > Yeah Gene, well I don't know either. Maybe I should say I felt benevolence for you today in the face of bad regards elsewhere. You are feisty, me too at times, but we both can have good substance. And I don't want to piss you off. No intention there >I am certainly not into grudges, except when they are protective...i.e. with >one or two people, since I know what will inevitably happen when I dialogue >with them, I hold a grudge to remind me not to get too deep into a >conversation. But, other than those, I generally forget whom I've gotten >annoyed with. > That's too bad to have to hold your tongue. Can you teach me how to do that? It can be necessary, but grudges can be let go perhaps when both parties come to terms. God, I would hope so. Turn the other cheek surely has some bearing here with the he-said-what-to-whom?-crowd. And all you Christians out there, don't forget what Jesus said! He sure as hell wasn't hangin' out with the high and mighty and pious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 " Gene, >I should stop now because I'm getting royally pissed off. I should just go >back to making strange sounds on my various and sundry synthesizers, and >stop reading this stuff. > What types of keyboards do you have? " Forgive me if I lapse into synth lingo...I gravitate towards synths that allow you to really experiment with sounds, and away from those which simply try to emulate 'real' instruments. I think when people denigrate synths, that's what they tend to be referring to. Emulations are always deficient. I think that the development of synthesizers in the last few decades is going to one day be considered extremely important to music history. No longer will musicians be dependent on physical objects, and their limitations, when they produce sound, and no longer will composers be limited by the timbres produced by these instruments. I'm babbling, because, much as I try to cut down, I just love Chimay... In any case, I have a bunch of synthesizers - some are 'virtual', i.e. exist solely in software, and some are hardware (either keyboards, or hardware boxes which are triggered by MIDI, or other types of controller events). Of course, all digital synthesizers are really just software...I have both analog and digital synthesizers, because I think that both have their strengths. I am inferring that going into more detail will probably bore you, but if that's not the case, I can rattle on for ages about the merits and demerits of this and that instrument. " My older brother is quite into that. When I run, I listen to music like: Genesis - Seconds Out Bill Bruford - One of a Kind Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Trilogy, Brain Salad Surgery Rush - Moving Pictures, 2112, A Farewell to Kings, etc. U2 - Unforgettable Fire, War Yes - Tormato, Drama, Fragile, Big Generator, 90125 Led Zeppelin - Houses of the Holy Warsaw - Hors Galore, Battleska Gallactica, The Kind Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall, Meddle 3 Minute Hero - Everyday Ninjas etc. I miss the album, I think it was called " Return to Forever " by Majestic Warrior. It had Stanley , Al Demiola and all these jazz greats. Shit, I should ask about it, it was kick ass music. " Ahhh - Pink Floyd. I need to listen to them. Quite unbelievably, they were quite popular during a period when I dismissed them. But many synth aficionados love them, so for years and years I've been meaning to give them a serious listen. I think that it is a serious character flaw that I haven't yet. The only synth that I have that I'll mention, just because it's so 'kick ass' is a Kyma. www.symbolicsound.com Damn, I wish I could be alive in a few hundred years (or a few thousand) to see what technology will bring to music. I fear that our diet and kettlebells do have their limitations, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 >I'm not sure what you mean by your " true regards " for me. > > " Yeah Gene, well I don't know either. Maybe I should say I felt benevolence for you today in the face of bad regards elsewhere. You are feisty, me too at times, but we both can have good substance. And I don't want to piss you off. No intention there " Ok. I will take that at face value. Thanks and sorry for reflexively reading negativity into some of this stuff now. >I am certainly not into grudges, except when they are protective...i.e. with >one or two people, since I know what will inevitably happen when I dialogue >with them, I hold a grudge to remind me not to get too deep into a >conversation. But, other than those, I generally forget whom I've gotten >annoyed with. > " That's too bad to have to hold your tongue. Can you teach me how to do that? " hah - well, as you can see by the trouble I " ve gotten into here, I'm not very good at it. But, from experience, and many arguments with certain people whom I feel, rightly or wrongly, argue disingenuously, or circularly, I try to limit my responses to one or two, and then drop out, or else I do tend to degenerate into name calling. " It can be necessary, but grudges can be let go perhaps when both parties come to terms. God, I would hope so. Turn the other cheek surely has some bearing here with the he-said-what-to-whom?-crowd. And all you Christians out there, don't forget what Jesus said! He sure as hell wasn't hangin' out with the high and mighty and pious. " What I was trying to say was that they are not really so much grudges on my part rather than artificial constructs, erected so that I just don't get too mad. The getting mad is certainly a weakness. It comes on me when I realize that there is simply no talking with some people. Of course, many people think that this comes on me way too soon...I'm pretty much just babbling now, to the accompaniment of my new synth, circa 1998 or so, once owned and loved, and lost to unemployment a few years ago. The sequencer is a marvelous, musical tool, denigrated by some as a sorry substitute for real musicians, but not understood by them. [pre-satanic yodelings have been removed by administrators] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Gene, >Forgive me if I lapse into synth lingo...I gravitate towards synths that >allow you to really experiment with sounds, and away from those which simply >try to emulate 'real' instruments. I think when people denigrate synths, >that's what they tend to be referring to. Emulations are always deficient. I >think that the development of synthesizers in the last few decades is going >to one day be considered extremely important to music history. No longer >will musicians be dependent on physical objects, and their limitations, when >they produce sound, and no longer will composers be limited by the timbres >produced by these instruments. I'm babbling, because, much as I try to cut >down, I just love Chimay... > > always like the moog, that's what it was... and Yamaha comes to mind, but that was long ago, and since he teaches piano, I'm sure he has other goodies to play. With the moog he used to do this helicopter take off thingy in his apartment, from one set of speakers to the other, whoomp whooomp whoomp whoomp, well, you have to experience to appreciate. But then, that Kyma is way more appreciable with the interface than the old time machines. Total control and limitless sounds. That woman to cat clip on their site, well, that's me. Too groovy, but i am not musically inclined, I'll have you know. But I can still appreciate! I'll say more later. It's night night time and 6+ miles on the morrow. Remember y'all, you get more positives with honey than vinegar. ;-) Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Gene, >Forgive me if I lapse into synth lingo...I gravitate towards synths that >allow you to really experiment with sounds, and away from those which simply >try to emulate 'real' instruments. I think when people denigrate synths, >that's what they tend to be referring to. Emulations are always deficient. I >think that the development of synthesizers in the last few decades is going >to one day be considered extremely important to music history. No longer >will musicians be dependent on physical objects, and their limitations, when >they produce sound, and no longer will composers be limited by the timbres >produced by these instruments. I'm babbling, because, much as I try to cut >down, I just love Chimay... > > " always like the moog, that's what it was... " Bob Moog is revered in the synth community. Moogs are renowned for their sound quality. A side note: Bob Moog is seriously ill with a brain tumor. It doesn't look too good... " and Yamaha comes to mind, but that was long ago, and since he teaches piano, I'm sure he has other goodies to play. With the moog he used to do this helicopter take off thingy in his apartment, from one set of speakers to the other, whoomp whooomp whoomp whoomp, well, you have to experience to appreciate. " Believe me, I know.... " But then, that Kyma is way more appreciable with the interface than the old time machines. Total control and limitless sounds. That woman to cat clip on their site, well, that's me. Too groovy, but i am not musically inclined, I'll have you know. But I can still appreciate! " Another side note, to anyone who might want to diss the achievements of women in music technology. The Kyma system is really (some might debate) the most powerful sampling/synthesizer product available today, and it's primary developer is a woman. I just point that out because, well, certain stereotypes persist in the musical world, and the technology world. " I'll say more later. It's night night time and 6+ miles on the morrow. Remember y'all, you get more positives with honey than vinegar. ;-) " yeah - I don't run anymore (knees just aren't what they used to be), but have scheduled a nice kettlebell workout... that honey/vinegar thing - I just think that it's more complex than that...but damn, this Italian Girasole Miele Sunflower (and Eucalyptus) honey is GOOD. Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:51:49PM -0700, Gene Schwartz wrote: > I miss the album, I think it was called " Return to Forever " by Majestic > Warrior. It had Stanley , Al Demiola and all these jazz greats. > Shit, I should ask about it, it was kick ass music. " I think you mean Romantic Warrior by the group Return to Forever. My favorite of theirs was No Mystery. Man, I miss fusion . Not much into synths, though I still kind of dig the funky sounds from fusion kekyboard players, and the sounds on Blow by Blow make me smile still. I have a live RTF I can probably share, if you've got the bandwidth. Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 > Re: Everybody loves Gene! They are only a speaking up Because, I >have also noted, since your return, an incessant needling by some old >timers as to your temper, etc. This I find unfair. I think dialogue >should be fresh and grudges be dropped if they exist. And direct is best. Hmmmmm...*I* am the only truly " old timer " who has spoken against allowing name-calling on this list and I did it once, not incessantly. is a semi old-timer and also just once said she thought Gene was ill-tempered. I don't see where this is either incessant or unfair. I'll repost your last two sentences above as I think they are worth pondering. " I think dialogue should be fresh and grudges be dropped if they exist. And direct is best. " Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Gene- >I guess I am a direct person, which offends people. What I find is that a >lot of people on this list like to insult by round about ways. Like this >post...Whatever. Regardless of the veiled sewing circle insults that have been directed your way, and your own short temper, I can assure you that Deanna was not insulting you, indirectly or otherwise. You unfortunately exacerbate the problem by finding more insults than actually exist. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 RE: Everybody loves Gene! Gene- >I guess I am a direct person, which offends people. What I find is that a >lot of people on this list like to insult by round about ways. Like this >post...Whatever. " Regardless of the veiled sewing circle insults that have been directed your way, and your own short temper, I can assure you that Deanna was not insulting you, indirectly or otherwise. You unfortunately exacerbate the problem by finding more insults than actually exist. " The misinterpretation of Deanna's post in the context of quite a few unambiguous posts has already been resolved. I think that my point is valid however. And, other than this post, can you find others that I've incorrectly construed as negative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Gene, >Bob Moog is revered in the synth community. Moogs are renowned for their >sound quality. A side note: Bob Moog is seriously ill with a brain tumor. It >doesn't look too good... > > That's too bad. He really did do much for synthesizers going mainstream, from what I've read. And I had no idea " Switched on Bach " was all done with Moogs. They are very meaty sounding, at least what I have heard. >Another side note, to anyone who might want to diss the achievements of >women in music technology. The Kyma system is really (some might debate) the >most powerful sampling/synthesizer product available today, and it's primary >developer is a woman. I just point that out because, well, certain >stereotypes persist in the musical world, and the technology world. > > Too cool! How much does a Kyma run (or a range of prices might be the better question)? And I do appreciate the sensitivity to women's rights that have been spattered around in your various posts. Many people don't really understand the obstacles many women face, especially competing in fields generally occupied by men. I have a first hand understanding of this studying engineering and being discounted for one reason or another and sexually harassed (physically). It's really good to see women excel in these fields despite all of that. I notice the commander of the space shuttle is now a woman. >yeah - I don't run anymore (knees just aren't what they used to be), but >have scheduled a nice kettlebell workout... > > I have to vewy vewy caweful with knees. My knees make these lovely crunchy noises when I flex them. Until I have been back in the swing of running for several months, I don't dare add any strength training for legs to the mix. I had problems last autumn when I was lunging and squatting and running too much. Maybe it was overtraining, but I don't dare ruin the best time of the year to hit the trail. That's another point: I only run on dirt trails or squishy tracks now. No need to impact any harder than I have to. >that honey/vinegar thing - I just think that it's more complex than >that...but damn, this Italian Girasole Miele Sunflower (and Eucalyptus) >honey is GOOD. > That sounds good. I have pondered keeping bees, and they are declining in numbers stateside. One of the Carolinas is offering some sort of credit for people who will keep bees. I don't eat honey too often, but it is nice to try different varieties. I wonder if anyone offers honey tasting. And don't sweat the misunderstanding. It happens in this medium often. And besides, I probably do have a pretty sick sense of humor. :-P Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Todd, > >I think you mean Romantic Warrior by the group Return to Forever. My >favorite of theirs was No Mystery. Man, I miss fusion . Not much >into synths, though I still kind of dig the funky sounds from fusion >kekyboard players, and the sounds on Blow by Blow make me smile still. > >I have a live RTF I can probably share, if you've got the bandwidth. > Ol' buddy ol' pal! What a gracious offer. But now that you have jogged my 20+ year old memory about who and what this project was, I see that amazon has it. I gotta have the cover art and particulars. All I know is they had some jammin' tracks. Oh, I am so glad I brought it up. And I owe you so much for helping me with that. Perhaps I will take you up on the live version sometime. IS it similar? Tanks, Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Gene- >And, other than this post, can you find others that I've >incorrectly construed as negative? In accordance with my own edict, I'm going to refrain from answering. <G> - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Deanna- >I have to vewy vewy caweful with knees. My knees make these lovely >crunchy noises when I flex them. Until I have been back in the swing of >running for several months, I don't dare add any strength training for >legs to the mix. Have you tried supplementing with MSM or chondroitin sulfate? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 >Another side note, to anyone who might want to diss the achievements of >women in music technology. The Kyma system is really (some might debate) the >most powerful sampling/synthesizer product available today, and it's primary >developer is a woman. I just point that out because, well, certain >stereotypes persist in the musical world, and the technology world. > > " Too cool! How much does a Kyma run (or a range of prices might be the better question)? " Well, they are rather high end devices (though the price comparison would be with so-called 'modular' synthesizers, in which case the price doesn't seem that extravagant. The most basic system is about $3500, but usually you wind up spending a good deal more to get more processing power, more audio ins and outs, other peripherals (they allow you to use wacom tablets to control MIDI events), etc. " And I do appreciate the sensitivity to women's rights that have been spattered around in your various posts. " I am an equal opportunity insulter. >yeah - I don't run anymore (knees just aren't what they used to be), but >have scheduled a nice kettlebell workout... > > " I have to vewy vewy caweful with knees. My knees make these lovely crunchy noises when I flex them. Until I have been back in the swing of running for several months, I don't dare add any strength training for legs to the mix. I had problems last autumn when I was lunging and squatting and running too much. Maybe it was overtraining, but I don't dare ruin the best time of the year to hit the trail. That's another point: I only run on dirt trails or squishy tracks now. No need to impact any harder than I have to. " Yeah, in the city here, it's pretty much run on concrete or not at all. I have a good rowing machine, but I haven't been using it much recently. I'm not that convinced that you need aerobics on top of the more interval type training that you can get with kettlebells. >that honey/vinegar thing - I just think that it's more complex than >that...but damn, this Italian Girasole Miele Sunflower (and Eucalyptus) >honey is GOOD. > " That sounds good. I have pondered keeping bees, and they are declining in numbers stateside. One of the Carolinas is offering some sort of credit for people who will keep bees. I don't eat honey too often, but it is nice to try different varieties. I wonder if anyone offers honey tasting. " I've tried keeping bees, but they get rather claustrophobic in my small city apartment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 , > >Have you tried supplementing with MSM or chondroitin sulfate? > I do supplement with both, albeit rather haphazardly. They don't hurt now, which is good. I just need to leave the bottle out so I remember to take it daily Thanks for asking, and while I am thinking of it, thanks for the website referral about hypothyroidism. Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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